Cutting: Low protein and eating whatever

[barbdwyer]

where'd you go mang? it's been almost a week, lack of protein hasn't killed you has it?

also, no hijack, just would like some followers, I'm going to do a similar diet to yours and see what happens, only with DC training

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=149410883

[Freshdou]

http://mennohenselmans.com/the-myth-...-bodybuilders/

Awesome. For the skeptics!

I'd like to let you know that you've been doing a splendid job in your cut while maintaining lean body mass, even with a lowered protein diet.

Good luck in your goal!

I'm on a cut too, but I have a lot less muscle so I can't eat anywhere near the amount of calories you eat sadly =\

Nice article by the way. Now I can increase carbs a bit and lower protein so my leptin level doesn't dip too low.

[Striation]

where'd you go mang? it's been almost a week, lack of protein hasn't killed you has it?

also, no hijack, just would like some followers, I'm going to do a similar diet to yours and see what happens, only with DC training

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=149410883

Still kicking! Good luck with your log man!

I'd like to let you know that you've been doing a splendid job in your cut while maintaining lean body mass, even with a lowered protein diet.

Good luck in your goal!

I'm on a cut too, but I have a lot less muscle so I can't eat anywhere near the amount of calories you eat sadly =\

Nice article by the way. Now I can increase carbs a bit and lower protein so my leptin level doesn't dip too low.

Thanks, I think I have proven to myself at least that that article cannot be too off base judging by my results.

[Striation]

Daily Average: Exercise: 2888kcal Food: 2815kcal (Fat: 101.28g, Protein: 91.93g, Carbs: 392.00g)
Monthly Total: Exercise: 89535kcal Food: 87256kcal (Fat: 3139.79g, Protein: 2849.70g, Carbs: 12152.08g)

Calorie Breakdown:
Carbohydrate (56%)
Fat (32%)
Protein (12%)

Day 287
Total deficit 122892/3500=35.112 lbs.
Deficit weight 180.8
Actual weight on Nov 1st. 176.8

Still going strong, just need to refocus this month as I have been eating too much so far.

[barbdwyer]

Daily Average: Exercise: 2888kcal Food: 2815kcal (Fat: 101.28g, Protein: 91.93g, Carbs: 392.00g)
Monthly Total: Exercise: 89535kcal Food: 87256kcal (Fat: 3139.79g, Protein: 2849.70g, Carbs: 12152.08g)

Calorie Breakdown:
Carbohydrate (56%)
Fat (32%)
Protein (12%)

Day 287
Total deficit 122892/3500=35.112 lbs.
Deficit weight 180.8
Actual weight on Nov 1st. 176.8

Still going strong, just need to refocus this month as I have been eating too much so far.

How big are your arms flexed? I feel like my arms shrink when I start a cut. Yours look pretty big for your weight, but it might be that leanness illusion.

[Striation]

How big are your arms flexed? I feel like my arms shrink when I start a cut. Yours look pretty big for your weight, but it might be that leanness illusion.

About 16 inches.

[AdamWW]

You have to take into consideration that the program I use replaces any other activity for the time that is entered. For example I burn 264 calories in 1 hour and 20 minutes of standing. Add that to the act of lifting at a moderate pace. That is why the number seems inflated. You see?

Dude im sorry, but thats WAY off. That would mean simply standing for 24 hours would burn 4800 calories or so.

[Striation]

Dude im sorry, but thats WAY off. That would mean simply standing for 24 hours would burn 4800 calories or so.

Day 287
Total deficit 122892/3500=35.112 lbs.
Deficit weight 180.8
Actual weight on Nov 1st. 176.8

If the website was way off, showing that I burned a lot more than I did, wouldn't I actually be heavier than the 180lbs. it puts me at?

[neddo]

You may have lost some lean mass if you've eaten at just sub 100g, possibly why you're 4 pounds under your expected weight. Just conjecture.

1.4g/kg is enough for protein (research backing).

[Striation]

You may have lost some lean mass if you've eaten at just sub 100g, possibly why you're 4 pounds under your expected weight. Just conjecture.

1.4g/kg is enough for protein (research backing).

It isn't noticeable strength or muscle size wise. I chalk the 4 lbs. difference as most likely being water weight since I was definitely retaining a lot more before I began dieting. My point was that if the calculations are WAY off for the last 287 days, I wouldn't of lost this much weight, forget about muscle vs. fat loss for a second, I wouldn't be 176lbs. regardless of that. These calculations are based on bodyweight. Bottom line, I would not be 176lbs. if I did not burn as much as the website shows.

Going by this website http://mennohenselmans.com/the-myth-...-bodybuilders/ , I only require 107g per day. Your calculation would only put me at 112, so I am not off by that much.

[neddo]

The time frame is actually what makes the subtle difference in protein requirements noticeable; but water weight is potentially a culprit as well.

Over the course of 2/3 of a year, that very minute subpar protein intake may build up (read: 0.05 lbs lost in lean tissue per day). All in all, I'm literally picking little bull**** nitpicks for the sake of it to be honest, great job thus far.

Have you gotten any bodpod readings, or of the kind, since starting this? That would ultimately tell the tale.

[Striation]

The time frame is actually what makes the subtle difference in protein requirements noticeable; but water weight is potentially a culprit as well.

Over the course of 2/3 of a year, that very minute subpar protein intake may build up (read: 0.05 lbs lost in lean tissue per day). All in all, I'm literally picking little bull**** nitpicks for the sake of it to be honest, great job thus far.

Have you gotten any bodpod readings, or of the kind, since starting this? That would ultimately tell the tale.

I don't think we are on the same page here, I am defending the fact that he says the calorie "burn" for my daily activities is WAY off. For something to be WAY off I would say there should be at least a 300 calorie daily difference in what I actually did burn. Now multiply 287(days) by 300, that would add up to 24.5 lbs. Hell, even if it was off by a mere 100 calories a day, the difference would be 8.2lbs. Just showing him how ridiculous his statement was. The fact that it is only off by up to 50 calories per day shows how amazingly accurate it has been given the time frame. I'd go as far as to say it is shocking.


Unless you're on steroids, you will lose muscle cutting from 25+% bf to where I am now.

[neddo]

I don't think we are on the same page here, I am defending the fact that he says the calorie "burn" for my daily activities is WAY off. For something to be WAY off I would say there should be at least a 300 calorie daily difference in what I actually did burn. Now multiply 287(days) by 300, that would add up to 24.5 lbs. Hell, even if it was off by a mere 100 calories a day, the difference would be 8.2lbs. Just showing him how ridiculous his statement was. The fact that it is only off by up to 50 calories per day shows how amazingly accurate it has been given the time frame. I'd go as far as to say it is shocking.


Unless you're on steroids, you will lose muscle cutting from 25+% bf to where I am now.

Who is 'he'?

I was more or less arguing a moot point in saying that 95g to 110 g (15g x 4 kcal/g = 60 kcal x ~300 = 18000 kcal / 3500 kcal/lbs) = 5 lbs, relatively akin to what I was getting at in that you shaved a bit more lean mass @ just the studied optimal intake. Virtually nonexistent, though.

Problem is, a pound of lean mass doesn't equate to 3500 kcals (projected circa 15k). idk, I got nothing - 20 hour day beating my ass. Carry on.

[Striation]

The guy I was responding to in post #280. Yeah, we'll never know for sure if this made a small difference in lean mass retention. I do know for sure, that this is a successful a cut as I have ever had in 12 years of training. Also, I believe that the laws of thermodynamics would prevent me from losing MORE weight than what the total calories put me at from fat or muscle.

[pedalift]

I know I'm super late to this, but subbed!

Super impressive cut. Wish I could eat some of those lunches you were posting back in January without blowing my deficit

[nads786]

Your cut has been very impressive. Any times on retaining strength during a cut? I've worked the diet angle (IE high protein vs lower protein levels) and my strength drops regardless.

[Striation]

I know I'm super late to this, but subbed!

Super impressive cut. Wish I could eat some of those lunches you were posting back in January without blowing my deficit

Thanks! Yeah, they are a thing of the past for me too, you'd be surprised what a little less activity plus 40 less pounds will do for your calorie allotment.

Your cut has been very impressive. Any times on retaining strength during a cut? I've worked the diet angle (IE high protein vs lower protein levels) and my strength drops regardless.

Thank you! Did you mean tips? I don't know, I just keep lifting heavy. I did lose strength but not as much as I thought I would.

[Dexter3000]

Nice work, interesting logging too.

(By the way, you say according to that website your protein intake is sufficient, but it recommends 1.8g/kg which would put you at about 140g daily.)

[Striation]

Nice work, interesting logging too.

(By the way, you say according to that website your protein intake is sufficient, but it recommends 1.8g/kg which would put you at about 140g daily.)

Thanks!


"There hasn’t been any recorded advantage of consuming more than 0.64g/lb. The only exceptions to this rule could be individuals with extraordinarily high anabolic hormone levels."

I am going by lean mass. I do not think I am any more than 150-155 lbs. at 0% bf. So 93-99.2 grams seems to be sufficient going by that quote.

[Dexter3000]

Thanks!


"There hasn’t been any recorded advantage of consuming more than 0.64g/lb. The only exceptions to this rule could be individuals with extraordinarily high anabolic hormone levels."

I am going by lean mass. I do not think I am any more than 150-155 lbs. at 0% bf. So 93-99.2 grams seems to be sufficient going by that quote.

Well if you take the full quote:

There is normally no advantage to consuming more than 0.82g/lb (1.8g/kg) of protein per day to preserve or build muscle. This already includes a very safe mark-up. There hasn’t been any recorded advantage of consuming more than 0.64g/lb. The only exceptions to this rule could be individuals with extraordinarily high anabolic hormone levels.

This article in 6 words: Consume 0.82g/lb of protein every day.

I was going by this, thus concluded 0.82 x 155 = 127g per day

[Striation]

I see, yet it also says that is a very safe mark-up. This thread wouldn't be interesting if I used a mark-up. Thanks for your input!

[Dexter3000]

I see, yet it also says that is a very safe mark-up. This thread wouldn't be interesting if I used a mark-up. Thanks for your input!

Just posting what he said there, that's all. I think most can do with a lot less protein than they're taking, so good job on getting results this way.

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Shocking (in a good way).

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Shocking (in a good way).

Pictures are not showing up for me.

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This is the post I quoted

[nads786]

Holy hell bro, you look great!!! .82lbs per gram huh? Is this your best cut to date? If so is it because you are able to go lower in calories without having to worry about protein?

[Striation]

Holy hell bro, you look great!!! .82lbs per gram huh? Is this your best cut to date? If so is it because you are able to go lower in calories without having to worry about protein?

Yes, best cut ever. I am also down another 5 lbs. since these pics. Maybe will post some updated progress soon. I think that there are many factors which made the whole process easier than in the past.

Reasons from best to worst.

1. Eating what I want
2. Not worrying about meal frequency/timing
3. Intermittent fasting(easier to restrict calories)
4. Not having to choke down shakes

[nads786]

Yes, best cut ever. I am also down another 5 lbs. since these pics. Maybe will post some updated progress soon. I think that there are many factors which made the whole process easier than in the past.

Reasons from best to worst.

1. Eating what I want
2. Not worrying about meal frequency/timing
3. Intermittent fasting(easier to restrict calories)
4. Not having to choke down shakes

Couldn't agree more my last cut was around 2000 calories at points and 480 calories worth of shakes (4 scoops) really makes dieting a huge pain!!

My next cut ill try just one shake (2 scoops) and see how it goes

What is your current routine btw?

[Striation]

Couldn't agree more my last cut was around 2000 calories at points and 480 calories worth of shakes (4 scoops) really makes dieting a huge pain!!

My next cut ill try just one shake (2 scoops) and see how it goes

What is your current routine btw?

No set routine. I do the broamid for 2-3 muscle groups almost every day. I also walk/jog 2-3 times per week.