Getting Sore

[Dobleman]

Should I still be getting sore after 3 months of lifting?

Also, I'm 6' and weigh 145. Is 4000 calories good enough to eat? I know I'm supposed to figure out my body fat % or whatever I need to figure out how many calories I need, but is 4000 over or similar to what most people eat at my weight?

[Chesso95]

yes

[vbhsfi]

yes if not change up your routine a bit.

[DatDude25]

DOMS, or soreness are not an indicator of muscle growth in reality you could do a workout different each week that will make you sore but that doesn't mean your growing.

J Exp Biol. 2011 Feb 15;214(Pt 4):674-9.
Muscle damage and muscle remodeling: no pain, no gain?

Flann KL, LaStayo PC, McClain DA, Hazel M, Lindstedt SL.
Source

Department of Biological Sciences, Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff, AZ 86011-5640, USA.

Abstract

Skeletal muscle is a dynamic tissue that responds adaptively to both the nature and intensity of muscle use. This phenotypic plasticity ensures that muscle structure is linked to patterns of muscle use throughout the lifetime of an animal. The cascade of events that result in muscle restructuring - for example, in response to resistance exercise training - is often thought to be initiated by muscle damage. We designed this study to test the hypothesis that symptomatic (i.e. detectable) damage is a necessary precursor for muscle remodeling. Subjects were divided into two experimental populations: pre-trained (PT) and naive (NA). Demonstrable muscle damage was avoided in the PT group by a three-week gradual 'ramp-up' protocol. By contrast, the NA group was subjected to an initial damaging bout of exercise. Both groups participated in an eight-week high-force eccentric-cycle ergometry program (20 min, three times per week) designed to equate the total work done during training between the groups. The NA group experienced signs of damage, absent in the PT group, as indicated by greater than five times higher levels of plasma creatine kinase (CK) and self-reporting of initial perceived soreness and exertion, yet muscle size and strength gains were not different for the two groups. RT-PCR analysis revealed similar increases in levels of the growth factor IGF-1Ea mRNA in both groups. Likewise, the significant (P<0.01) increases in mean cross-sectional area (and total muscle volume) were equal in both groups. Finally, strength increases were identical for both groups (PT=25% and NA=26% improvement). The results of this study suggest that muscle rebuilding - for example, hypertrophy - can be initiated independent of any discernible damage to the muscle.


PMID:21270317 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

The only indication of muscle growth is progressive overload, continue to add weight each week and if you do your growing don't rely on DOMS.

[TN42]

yes

yes if not change up your routine a bit.

Fail and fail.

Soreness/DOMS have absolutely no effect on gains. They are not in direct correlation in any way. You could be sore after the ****tiest, least helpful workout ever and you might not be sore at all after a super intense, great workout. Don't switch your routine up trying to make yourself sore, don't worry about it at all. Find something that works and stick with it.

[spiderman997]

yes

yes if not change up your routine a bit.

Dumbasses

[Tom550]

Keep working out the soreness will go down as you continue to workout. After stopping for a month I got sore When I got back into it