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    Green tea and cortisol - what is the effect?

    Having researched plenty on the upds and downs of coffee, I have stopeed drinking it altogether, inlucing the decaf stuff, as i want to do whatever I can to build my muscles into great big lumps of rock.

    My training has been modified, my diet is pretty close to where I want it to be, but I am still pondering Green Tea. I can drink it no problem, and enjoy it, and I know the swathes of research on it and the health benefits, but I am confused about one element of Green Tea. Research suggests that Green Tea can reduce cortisol. But it contains caffeine. So how can this be? I dont want to increase cortisol during the day but so much has been said about the benefits of Green Tea that I want to drink it.

    So what is the deal with Green Tea (and the caffeine) and its effect on cortisol - I know you can get decaf Green Tea, but that's not the point - research suggests that caffinated green tea reduces cortisol. What am i missing here?
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    Coffee will not hinder gains. /thread
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    Coffee will not hinder gains. /thread
    This ^^

    If coffee "hind" gains, everyone would be "small", as almost all pwo have it, and almost everyone drink coffee :P
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    Thanks Poison. So many studies suggest that it inhibits growth and promotes fat retention around the abdominal area due to the prolonged cortisol increase following ingestion. I have struggled to build muscle and want to make sure I do everything I can to help promote growth, hence cutting coffee. But I just struggle to see how green tea, which contains caffeine, can lower cortisol. It seems a contradition??
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    Originally Posted by AlanApe View Post
    Thanks Poison. So many studies suggest that it inhibits growth and promotes fat retention around the abdominal area due to the prolonged cortisol increase following ingestion. I have struggled to build muscle and want to make sure I do everything I can to help promote growth, hence cutting coffee. But I just struggle to see how green tea, which contains caffeine, can lower cortisol. It seems a contradition??
    I can see where the studies are coming from if the people in these studies never in their lives had caffeine and got anxious etc, but outside of that, there shouldn't be any problems at all. Drink your tea or coffee
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    Originally Posted by AlanApe View Post
    Thanks Poison. So many studies suggest that it inhibits growth and promotes fat retention around the abdominal area due to the prolonged cortisol increase following ingestion. I have struggled to build muscle and want to make sure I do everything I can to help promote growth, hence cutting coffee. But I just struggle to see how green tea, which contains caffeine, can lower cortisol. It seems a contradition??
    Nope. In fact, caffeine actually causes an elevation in test, when taken preworkout. In reality, neither effect is strong enough to worry about, and there's a reason nearly every good fatburner includes caffeine. Trust me, working out past 45-60 minutes, sleeping under 8hrs a night, work stress, or nearly getting in a car accident cause way more cortisol release than any nominal release from caffeine intake.

    And that's ignoring coffee's effects on alzheimers, parkinsons, diabetes, a host of other diseases, and the fact that it's America's number 2 source of antioxidants.

    But whatever, green tea is super awesome as well. As far as I know, tea lowers cortisol when stressed, ie returning the body to homeostasis, not lowering cortisol to lower than usual levels. I'd wager it's due to the l-theanine, but who knows.

    Again, unless you're a Tibetan monk on a hilltop watching yaks, the effects of coffee and tea on cortisol, in either direction, arre going to mean NOTHING in the scheme of our stressful Western lives. Drink BOTH green tea and coffee for their effects on overall health. I'd be far more worried about preventing cancer and parkinsons than preventing .008gr abdominal fat gain due to coffee-induced cortisol release.
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    Well Poison, seeing as you put it that way, whack the kettle on!

    I see your point. Perhaps I am getting a bit too concerned about being too strict.

    Love the way you got your point accross as well!
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    Enjoy your caffeinated beverages! Oh, and like most things, moderation is usually key, but the best effects of both green tea AND coffee have been found in those with the highest consumption (I'm talking crazy amounts, that are culturally incomprehensible to us, lol). I'm talking in the order of many cups of green tea a day, or 8+ cups of coffee. Yikes!
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    Ermmm.......

    I would regularly drink more than 8 cups of coffee a day! Every Day!

    Perhaps it wasnt a bad idea to stop then lol!
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    I don't condone that kind of behavior, but the effects on Parkinsons were best in those with the highest coffee consumption. I limit myself to 2 double shots of espresso a day.
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    Any idea how much green tea extract pills you should take a day? I just bought some from holland and Barrett, 315mg green tea extract pills.
    And when is best to take the pills, 1 in morning 1 pre workout I'd guess????

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    I would take one in the morning and one in the evening, preferably post workout or after dinner to help relax you

    Honestly, a nice cup of hot tea at night is where its at... the pills probably work better as a source of antioxidants, but the tea is calming and relaxing, and makes you slow down to enjoy your cup
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    Originally Posted by AlecGaspari View Post
    I would take one in the morning and one in the evening, preferably post workout or after dinner to help relax you

    Honestly, a nice cup of hot tea at night is where its at... the pills probably work better as a source of antioxidants, but the tea is calming and relaxing, and makes you slow down to enjoy your cup
    This ^^

    Pills are more "concentrate", but the tea itself, promotes a relaxation...

    Dunno why...same thing as using a pre-workout with 135mg/caffeine anhydrous and drink 3 cups of coffee :P
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    Originally Posted by diguincoutoreis View Post
    This ^^

    Pills are more "concentrate", but the tea itself, promotes a relaxation...

    Dunno why...same thing as using a pre-workout with 135mg/caffeine anhydrous and drink 3 cups of coffee :P
    I just imagine it to be relaxing sitting up in my bed late at night, reading for 15-30 minutes before bed and drinking a nice big cup of green tea --- the health benefits from taking some alone time like that at night when you are so busy during the day with work, working out, and the normal stresses of the average american life... immeasureable
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    Caffeine raises cortisol levels. Period.

    It wouldn't matter either way. Exercise does the same thing, so any rise brought upon by the consumption of caffeine would be inconsequential.

    Green Tea is caffeinated by the way. It is part of the xanthine group.

    The de-stressing quality of green tea is attributable to its theanine content, which increases GABA concentrations in the brain.
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    Originally Posted by AlecGaspari View Post
    I just imagine it to be relaxing sitting up in my bed late at night, reading for 15-30 minutes before bed and drinking a nice big cup of green tea --- the health benefits from taking some alone time like that at night when you are so busy during the day with work, working out, and the normal stresses of the average american life... immeasureable
    Haha, i said it, but i don't like tea, #fail ;s

    Like more a cup of cold milk :P

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    Originally Posted by tubemode12 View Post
    Caffeine raises cortisol levels. Period.

    It wouldn't matter either way. Exercise does the same thing, so any rise brought upon by the consumption of caffeine would be inconsequential.

    Green Tea is caffeinated by the way. It is part of the xanthine group.

    This is attributable to the theanine in green tea, which increases GABA concentrations in the brain.
    Would one 315mg green tea extract pill per day work well as a fat burner??
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    Originally Posted by seanybabe1986 View Post
    Would one 315mg green tea extract pill per day work well as a fat burner??
    From caffeine point of view, not.
    An average serving of brewed coffee contains 145 mg of caffeine, the same serving size of green tea provides 25 mg.

    But from point of view of lowering LDL, yep
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    Originally Posted by tubemode12 View Post
    Caffeine raises cortisol levels. Period.

    It wouldn't matter either way. Exercise does the same thing, so any rise brought upon by the consumption of caffeine would be inconsequential.

    Green Tea is caffeinated by the way. It is part of the xanthine group.

    The de-stressing quality of green tea is attributable to its theanine content, which increases GABA concentrations in the brain.
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    Originally Posted by poison View Post
    Why is there an echo in here?



    Someone is wanting REP ;P
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    Originally Posted by diguincoutoreis View Post
    from caffeine point of view, not.
    An average serving of brewed coffee contains 145 mg of caffeine, the same serving size of green tea provides 25 mg.

    But from point of view of lowering ldl, yep
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    Originally Posted by seanybabe1986 View Post
    ldl?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-density_lipoprotein
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