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N_tenseLifter88 · 06-28-2003, 07:53 PM

thought I would post this...

Shortly after New Years, 2000, Chuck Fleming, 37, an athletic man who had been into body building for years added to his dietary regimen Gatorade and Creatine. Six months later he was dead. The autopsy shows he died of chronic methanol poisoning. He had been using Ripped Fuel, an ephedra-containing product which interacts with aspartame, Met-Rex containing aspartame, and now Gatorade mixed with Creatine to help build muscle mass.

On the way home from church on a Sunday afternoon in June, 2000 the Flemings stopped to buy a case of Gatorade and a tub of Creatine. Chuck Fleming mixed a bottle of warm Gatorade with triple the amount of Creatine recommended. He misread the directions calling for a teaspoon, instead of a tablespoon. Diane recalls her husband didn't like the taste, but put the bottle in the refrigerator and took off to play basketball, as was his custom 2-3 times a week.

BACKING UP

For about a month prior to his death, Fleming had complained to his wife about shortness of breath and intermittent nausea. For years Fleming drank ten or more 12-ounce cans of diet soft drinks each day and each evening had 2-4 mixed drinks of bourbon and Diet Sprite. He drank very little water and never tea or coffee. while on his fitness regimen, he ate various protein health bars and took several pharmaceutical preparations including Prevacid, digestive antacid, Tetracycline (antibiotic), Naproxed (digestive anti-inflammatory ), a multivitamin with iron and Vancenase AQ, a nasal inhaler for allergies.

ANATOMY OF MASS MURDER

The process whereby the G. D. Searle Corporation, then led by current Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, secured aspartame's FDA approval is beyond the scope of this article. However, comments by Arthur Evangelista, a former Food and Drug Administration Inspector, put the government approval of the chemical sweetener into proper perspective. "Regardless of how I initially felt about aspartame, the evidence is factual. It's a poison. Now we have to do something about it because aspartame in our food supply is MASS MURDER." (EMPHASIS ORIGINAL).

Aspartame is now used as a sweetener in thousands of products consumed by millions of Americans daily. The FDA lists 92 symptoms of aspartame poisoning. Sudden death is one of them. Unprecedented numbers of Americans are dropping dead. The Atlanta Journal Constitution some months ago reported 450,000 people have dropped dead for no apparent reason. James Bowen, M.D., himself a case study in aspartame poisoning, believes the excitoxin is responsible for the nation's epidemic of sudden deaths. "My articles at www.dorway.com and my book 'Billions of Victims' are essential reading for a full understanding of the sudden death issue relative to aspartame." commented Dr. Bowen.

MURDER BY METHANOL

Returning from basketball, Fleming ate a bowl of ice cream, then mixed Creatine into three remaining three bottles of Gatorade and went to bed early. Next morning he woke up feeling ill, but went to work. He took three of the four bottles of Gatorade with him to work, but drank only a third of one bottle before returning home nauseated, thinking he just had a flu bug. Chuck's condition kept deteriorating. By late afternoon the following day, Diane called 911 and her husband was rushed to the hospital. He lapsed into a coma and was removed from life support three days later and soon pronounced dead. An autopsy confirmed methanol poisoning as the cause of death but the report was delayed for several months. Investigative authorities questioned the family about Fleming and his habits and had the Gatorade tested. The bottles of Gatorade each contained measurable amounts of methanol.

This was to be a special week for the Fleming family. Their son Jeff was graduating from High School and Diane's parents had arrived from another state to join the occasion. If you were going to poison your spouse would you select such a time and deliberately destroy the celebration? Ridiculous!!!

Diane was not initially suspected of murdering Chuck, but thirteen months later she was arrested and indicted. At trail it was decided, purely as an unsupported assumption that the source of the methanol that led to Fleming's death was from a gallon of windshield washer fluid found in the Fleming garage. The jury was persuaded to believe that Diane added it to the Gatorade/Creatine mixture. Curiously, of the four bottles of Gatorade found to contain methanol in concentrations that ranged from 3.3 percent to 4.07 per cent (by weight) only half of one bottle had been consumed. A toxicologist at the trial testified there wasn't enough methanol in all four bottles to kill Fleming. One-third of one bottle at the concentrations determined could not have been the cause of the man's death, yet Fleming had methanol poisoning.

THE BIOCHEMISTRY OF A MURDER

If Diane did not poison her husband where did the methanol in his body come from? In his article, Aspartame and Methanol Revisited, Dr. Bowen explains the aspartame decomposition process: in the body it metabolizes to methanol (wood alcohol), then to formaldehyde, next to formic acid (fire ant poison) next to carbon monoxide. Outside of the body, aspartame decomposes at room temperature, but the body accelerates with higher temperatures. Lab tests show aspartame in soda diminishes with time, and methanol and formaldehyde, not present initially, accumulate in measurable quantities as breakdown proceeds.

It should also be noted that the methanol found in the unopened, sealed container of windshield wiper fluid was not matched forensically to the methanol found in the Gatorade/Creatine mixture. The wiper fluid theory, an assumption the prosecutor used to convict Diane Fleming of killing her husband, is pure conjuncture and imaginzation. Let's call it "Uncircumstantial Evidence!"

Aspartame is a cumulative poison, explains Betty Martini of Mission Possible, a worldwide network of activists working to remove aspartame from our foods and drinks: "I believe Chuck's addiction of aspartame-laced diet drinks accumulated the methyl alcohol in his body and finally overcame him. Many recent reports of sudden death of professional athletes mirror Chuck Fleming's case. Fleming's diet soda habit is not questioned. We can state with certainty that he had elevated levels of aspartame decomposition toxins in his system. Also, on that fatal day he mixed too much Creatine into his Gatorades and did not drink any water as the manufacturer recommends.

The toxic properties of aspartame are well documented, and several books about this poison have been written by highly credentialed medical doctors. It is an effective rat and ant killer. Aspartame responds synergistically to transform other substances such as ephedra, MSG and pharmaceutical drugs into toxic compounds. "During the last year I had been researching Creatine and Ephedra and never thought the culprit was aspartame", said Diane's friend Betty Rickmond.

...one reason why I myself drink water while working out or supplementingrather than gatorade.gatorade is not better than water,water is the healthiest liquid the body consumes. What an idiot mixing creatine in gatorade.

nateakabear · 06-28-2003, 08:02 PM

You dork. You understand that he drank all those other things (diet sprite and crap other sweetened drinks) That is probably what did it right there. yes the gatorade was a factor but, if he hadn't consumed all the other stuff, he probably wouldn't have had a problem.

N_tenseLifter88 · 06-28-2003, 08:10 PM

you ****,why the **** would you take gatorade and mix creatine in it. THATS WHAT WATERS FOR. dumbass,creatine cause water build up in muscles,you want gatorade build in them or water? ....lol

N_tenseLifter88 · 06-28-2003, 08:11 PM

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Originally posted by N'tenseLifter88
you ****,why the **** would you take gatorade and mix creatine in it. THATS WHAT WATERS FOR. dumbass,creatine cause water build up in muscles,you want gatorade TO build in them or water? ....lol

^^ spelling mistake

nateakabear · 06-28-2003, 08:16 PM

you take gatorade with your creatine because of the dextrose to spike the insulin so more creatine gets to your muscles you dumb ****

Poppa Pump · 06-28-2003, 08:42 PM

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Originally posted by nateakabear
you take gatorade with your creatine because of the dextrose to spike the insulin so more creatine gets to your muscles you dumb ****

he's got ya there buddy....

Txstudboy22 · 06-28-2003, 09:08 PM

I have to agree with Dillon. aspartame is BAD....I used to be a diet coke junkie....I stopped drinking it my and whole life changed...I feel better, I am better. It must be a bad thing....WATER is the best, but not as much fun as the cafine

Ebonn101 · 06-28-2003, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by N'tenseLifter88
thought I would post this...

Shortly after New Years, 2000, Chuck Fleming, 37, an athletic man who had been into body building for years added to his dietary regimen Gatorade and Creatine. Six months later he was dead. The autopsy shows he died of chronic methanol poisoning. He had been using Ripped Fuel, an ephedra-containing product which interacts with aspartame, Met-Rex containing aspartame, and now Gatorade mixed with Creatine to help build muscle mass.

On the way home from church on a Sunday afternoon in June, 2000 the Flemings stopped to buy a case of Gatorade and a tub of Creatine. Chuck Fleming mixed a bottle of warm Gatorade with triple the amount of Creatine recommended. He misread the directions calling for a teaspoon, instead of a tablespoon. Diane recalls her husband didn't like the taste, but put the bottle in the refrigerator and took off to play basketball, as was his custom 2-3 times a week.

BACKING UP

For about a month prior to his death, Fleming had complained to his wife about shortness of breath and intermittent nausea. For years Fleming drank ten or more 12-ounce cans of diet soft drinks each day and each evening had 2-4 mixed drinks of bourbon and Diet Sprite. He drank very little water and never tea or coffee. while on his fitness regimen, he ate various protein health bars and took several pharmaceutical preparations including Prevacid, digestive antacid, Tetracycline (antibiotic), Naproxed (digestive anti-inflammatory ), a multivitamin with iron and Vancenase AQ, a nasal inhaler for allergies.

ANATOMY OF MASS MURDER

The process whereby the G. D. Searle Corporation, then led by current Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, secured aspartame's FDA approval is beyond the scope of this article. However, comments by Arthur Evangelista, a former Food and Drug Administration Inspector, put the government approval of the chemical sweetener into proper perspective. "Regardless of how I initially felt about aspartame, the evidence is factual. It's a poison. Now we have to do something about it because aspartame in our food supply is MASS MURDER." (EMPHASIS ORIGINAL).

Aspartame is now used as a sweetener in thousands of products consumed by millions of Americans daily. The FDA lists 92 symptoms of aspartame poisoning. Sudden death is one of them. Unprecedented numbers of Americans are dropping dead. The Atlanta Journal Constitution some months ago reported 450,000 people have dropped dead for no apparent reason. James Bowen, M.D., himself a case study in aspartame poisoning, believes the excitoxin is responsible for the nation's epidemic of sudden deaths. "My articles at www.dorway.com and my book 'Billions of Victims' are essential reading for a full understanding of the sudden death issue relative to aspartame." commented Dr. Bowen.

MURDER BY METHANOL

Returning from basketball, Fleming ate a bowl of ice cream, then mixed Creatine into three remaining three bottles of Gatorade and went to bed early. Next morning he woke up feeling ill, but went to work. He took three of the four bottles of Gatorade with him to work, but drank only a third of one bottle before returning home nauseated, thinking he just had a flu bug. Chuck's condition kept deteriorating. By late afternoon the following day, Diane called 911 and her husband was rushed to the hospital. He lapsed into a coma and was removed from life support three days later and soon pronounced dead. An autopsy confirmed methanol poisoning as the cause of death but the report was delayed for several months. Investigative authorities questioned the family about Fleming and his habits and had the Gatorade tested. The bottles of Gatorade each contained measurable amounts of methanol.

This was to be a special week for the Fleming family. Their son Jeff was graduating from High School and Diane's parents had arrived from another state to join the occasion. If you were going to poison your spouse would you select such a time and deliberately destroy the celebration? Ridiculous!!!

Diane was not initially suspected of murdering Chuck, but thirteen months later she was arrested and indicted. At trail it was decided, purely as an unsupported assumption that the source of the methanol that led to Fleming's death was from a gallon of windshield washer fluid found in the Fleming garage. The jury was persuaded to believe that Diane added it to the Gatorade/Creatine mixture. Curiously, of the four bottles of Gatorade found to contain methanol in concentrations that ranged from 3.3 percent to 4.07 per cent (by weight) only half of one bottle had been consumed. A toxicologist at the trial testified there wasn't enough methanol in all four bottles to kill Fleming. One-third of one bottle at the concentrations determined could not have been the cause of the man's death, yet Fleming had methanol poisoning.

THE BIOCHEMISTRY OF A MURDER

If Diane did not poison her husband where did the methanol in his body come from? In his article, Aspartame and Methanol Revisited, Dr. Bowen explains the aspartame decomposition process: in the body it metabolizes to methanol (wood alcohol), then to formaldehyde, next to formic acid (fire ant poison) next to carbon monoxide. Outside of the body, aspartame decomposes at room temperature, but the body accelerates with higher temperatures. Lab tests show aspartame in soda diminishes with time, and methanol and formaldehyde, not present initially, accumulate in measurable quantities as breakdown proceeds.

It should also be noted that the methanol found in the unopened, sealed container of windshield wiper fluid was not matched forensically to the methanol found in the Gatorade/Creatine mixture. The wiper fluid theory, an assumption the prosecutor used to convict Diane Fleming of killing her husband, is pure conjuncture and imaginzation. Let's call it "Uncircumstantial Evidence!"

Aspartame is a cumulative poison, explains Betty Martini of Mission Possible, a worldwide network of activists working to remove aspartame from our foods and drinks: "I believe Chuck's addiction of aspartame-laced diet drinks accumulated the methyl alcohol in his body and finally overcame him. Many recent reports of sudden death of professional athletes mirror Chuck Fleming's case. Fleming's diet soda habit is not questioned. We can state with certainty that he had elevated levels of aspartame decomposition toxins in his system. Also, on that fatal day he mixed too much Creatine into his Gatorades and did not drink any water as the manufacturer recommends.

The toxic properties of aspartame are well documented, and several books about this poison have been written by highly credentialed medical doctors. It is an effective rat and ant killer. Aspartame responds synergistically to transform other substances such as ephedra, MSG and pharmaceutical drugs into toxic compounds. "During the last year I had been researching Creatine and Ephedra and never thought the culprit was aspartame", said Diane's friend Betty Rickmond.

...one reason why I myself drink water while working out or supplementingrather than gatorade.gatorade is not better than water,water is the healthiest liquid the body consumes. What an idiot mixing creatine in gatorade.

creatine in gatorade is completely harmless and in fact beneficial because of the dextrose and high sugar in gatorade.

EAE · 06-28-2003, 09:41 PM

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Originally posted by N'tenseLifter88
you ****,why the **** would you take gatorade and mix creatine in it. THATS WHAT WATERS FOR. dumbass,creatine cause water build up in muscles,you want gatorade build in them or water? ....lol

Wow. To be honest, I don't think anyone can take you seriously after this post. Ignoring the fact that you seemingly don't know how to take creatine (with sugars, like the dextrose in Gatorade), you also don't seem to realize that all liquids are mostly water. What is Gatorade? Flavored sugar water.

milkl0ver · 06-28-2003, 09:59 PM

The guy wouldnt have died if he started drinking more water... What about the claim that the wife murdered him? Do you think its true?

PeCz · 06-28-2003, 10:16 PM

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Originally posted by milkl0ver
The guy wouldnt have died if he started drinking more water... What about the claim that the wife murdered him? Do you think its true?

no

**BPP** · 07-22-2003, 01:58 AM

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Originally posted by EAE
Wow. To be honest, I don't think anyone can take you seriously after this post. Ignoring the fact that you seemingly don't know how to take creatine (with sugars, like the dextrose in Gatorade), you also don't seem to realize that all liquids are mostly water. What is Gatorade? Flavored sugar water.

lol very true

mixing it with gatorade doesnt suck GATORADE into the muscle
it tkaes the water from it

lol

Slim_DaDDy · 07-22-2003, 02:10 AM

I..I dont know what to say..

stereomike · 07-22-2003, 03:22 AM

obviously, I don't want to beat it into the ground and also, I don't want to be flamed

But, I would like to know is it in fact ok to drink gatorade with your creatine? (I use grape or apple juice) or maybe drink your creatine mixture and then drink gatorade for the insulin spike? As I said I don't mean to beat it into the ground, but i'm a newb and I'd just like to know.

Wojtek_da_Hulk · 07-22-2003, 06:49 AM

wow, did u ever notice how wen someone makes a stupid post and they know they just made an ass of themselves they never reply back

Slim_DaDDy · 07-22-2003, 07:47 AM

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Originally posted by Wojtek_da_Hulk
wow, did u ever notice how wen someone makes a stupid post and they know they just made an ass of themselves they never reply back

Haha! well its like, what can you say really? you can either cuss everyone out, making a bigger ass of yourself in the process..or you can admit your stupid. Great choices there eh?

ewark · 07-22-2003, 08:18 AM

So what did he die from?

Joka · 07-22-2003, 08:25 AM

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Originally posted by Slim_DaDDy
Haha! well its like, what can you say really? you can either cuss everyone out, making a bigger ass of yourself in the process..or you can admit your stupid. Great choices there eh?

You should not be so quick to judge. I actually enjoyed reading that article.

It was well articulated, and interesting.

The FDAs position on artificial sweetners over the last 10 or so years has changed with the seasons, for instance, Cyclamate (another widely used art. sweetner) was banned briefly in the United States, but not Canada, and Saccharin (art. sweetner) has been banned in Canada, but not in the US...These artifical sweetners, including Aspartme, have NO structural resemblance to carbohydrates...

Go figure.

JK

FormReverend · 07-22-2003, 08:25 AM

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Originally posted by ewark
So what did he die from?

The Clap

**BPP** · 07-22-2003, 09:29 AM

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Originally posted by Wojtek_da_Hulk
wow, did u ever notice how wen someone makes a stupid post and they know they just made an ass of themselves they never reply back

yeha
kinda like when people brag they saw Greg Valentino bench 730 for reps with no bench shirt

NextBestThing · 07-22-2003, 09:36 AM

BS or not Im glad I use sucralose on my cereal and in my coffee

musmar · 07-22-2003, 10:27 AM

Did anyone ever stop to think that this guy may have had a condition that makes him extra sensitive to aspartame??

**str8flexed** · 07-22-2003, 11:07 AM

more bull**** fairy tales about aspartame

**str8flexed** · 07-22-2003, 11:08 AM

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Originally posted by musmar
Did anyone ever stop to think that this guy may have had a condition that makes him extra sensitive to aspartame??

phenylketonuric

AniMaLiZeD · 07-22-2003, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by N'tenseLifter88
you ****,why the **** would you take gatorade and mix creatine in it. THATS WHAT WATERS FOR. dumbass,creatine cause water build up in muscles,you want gatorade build in them or water? ....lol

GAH! MY MUSCLES, ARE FULL OF GATORADE!

STOP THE MADNESS!

Maxima98 GXE · 07-22-2003, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AniMaLiZeD
GAH! MY MUSCLES, ARE FULL OF GATORADE!

STOP THE MADNESS!

Haha, good one. Normally, I am against this kind of fun, because it hurts someone, but that was a really funny, sad post.

SkinnyB · 07-22-2003, 07:05 PM

Are you trying to suggest that drinking gatorade + creatine might kill us? This is the most ridiculous thing Ive ever heard. I put creatine in my protein + orange gatorade powder mix all the time, its perfectly safe. Silly horror stories like this are the type of thing that will just discourage newbies from weight lifting and using safe supplements. Peace.

thewrestler14 · 07-22-2003, 07:14 PM

OH DEAR GOD NOT A TABLESPOON INSTEAD OF A TEASPOON THAT COULD BE FATAL WHEN TAKEN WITH GATORADE!!! Please, give me a break, sometimes I don't pay attention and I use the tablespoon instead of the teaspoon it happens all the time and I'm talking to ya right now aren't I?

SkinnyB · 07-22-2003, 07:32 PM

Lol yea a tablespoon is like 2-3 teaspoons. Thats like 10-15 grams of creatine. Some bodybuilders even purposely take 10 grams in one serving, not gonna kill a person. This article is ridiculous.

psikooz · 07-22-2003, 07:42 PM

HAH!

This is the funniest thing ever.

The man obviously died because he drank way to much diet sodas. Witch contain aspartame. He drank very little water, while taking creatine, and ephedra! What a moron. The man was draining whatever water he had out of his body!

Im sure the methanol came from the aspartame and the 3 drinks of bourbon he had every night!

Oh yeah, what a genious, he would pre mix the creatine into gatorade, put it in the refridgerator and then drink it the next day, by then all the creatine would have turned into creatinine! Wich is completely useless!
^^^ -- did anyone not catch that?

This is a good example that no matter how old you are, you shouldnt use supplements unless you know how to correctly use them!

Your not too bright, you do realize that gatorade had very little to do with his death!

Is ignorance truly bliss?