ATTENTION NCAA ATHLETES: Banned Substance Thread

[44bulldog]

Recently, there have been a number of threads and posts about NCAA banned substances. I know first hand that there is a lot of misconception out there regarding this subject. With this thread I will attempt to clear up as many misconceptions as I can. This thread is meant to be informative, reliable, and helpful. This thread is not meant to be a debate on if a substance should be banned or not, or why it is banned. I obviously have no control over that.


In my opinion the NCAA does a terrible job with their banned substance list. The list is extremely vague and I believe that is what causes so much confusion. The NCAA itself states: "There is not complete list of banned drug examples."


NCAA athletes should stay away from any supplements a banned substance is found in. Penalties for failing an NCAA Drug Test are very severe and the NCAA puts the responsibility on the student-athlete to know what they are using. The NCAA does not care if you didn't know that you were taking something that is banned.


I would recommend to all NCAA athletes that they disclose any supplements they are taking or thinking about taking to their athletic training staff or strength coaches. Unfortunately, many athletic trainers and/or strength coaches are not very knowledgeable about supplements. There is a good chance that they will tell you to stop taking all supplements. Hopefully this thread will be able to help you make informed choices on your own.


For each substance that is banned, I will provide every alternative name to that substance that I know of, types of supplements that it is commonly found in, and specific supplements that it is found in. The following is a list of common banned substances:

BANNED SUBSTANCES

-1,3-dimethylamylamine

*Classified by the NCAA as: a stimulant

*Synonyms: 4-methyl-2-hexanamine; 4-methyl-2-hexylamine; 2-amino-4-methylhexane; 1,3-dimethylpentylamine; 2-Hexanamine, 4-methyl- (9CI); Methylhexanamine; DMAA; 1,3D; Geranium Oil; Geranium Oil Extract;

*Commonly found in: Preworkouts, Standalone, Fat Burners/Thermogenics

*Supplements containing this ingredient: Jack3d, Cryoshock, OxyELITE Pro, Hemorush, Hemo-Rage, NeuroCore, HydroxyStim, Muscle Marinade, Old Version of 1MR, Old Version of C4 Extreme, Old Version of PreSurge Unleashed, Adrena-G, ACG3




-Glycerol Monostearate

*Classified by the NCAA as: a diuretic

*Synonyms: GMS

*Commonly found in: Preworkouts, Standalone,

*Supplements containing this ingredient: Hemavol (pills and powder), GlycerGrow, AminoCell, Dark Matter, Nitric Fuel, V-12 Magnum, Hemo-Rage, Hemorush, Xpand Xtreme Pump, Slingshot, EPO-Blast




-DHEA

*Classified by the NCAA as: an anabolic agent

*Synonyms: 5-Dehydroepiandrosterone, 5-androsten-3 β-ol-17-one, Dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate, DHEA-S, Prasterone, 7-Keto (metabolite)

*Commonly found in: Test Boosters, Standalone

*Supplements containing this ingredient: Methyl 1-D, John Scott's Nitro GH and Test2, ExtenZe, HGH Complete, TestoRX, TriCuts III, many standalone products




-Synephrine

*Classified by the NCAA as: a stimulant

*Synonyms: Oxedrine, Bitter Orange, Bitter Orange Extract

*Commonly found in: Fat Burners/Thermogenics, Preworkouts

*Supplements containing this ingredient: HyperFX, Lipo 6x, Thermonex, 2 Shredded, Jetfuel, Meltdown, Scorch, Syneburn, Tight, Tight! Hardcore, Tight! RTD, MethylBurn, Dialene 4x, Lean Fix Elite, Stizm,



-Anabolic-Androgenic Steroids


-Pro-Hormones



-HGH

RESTRICTED SUBSTANCES

Caffeine

The next subject I touch on will be caffeine. This is where most of the uncertainty comes from in regards to the NCAA banned substance list. Caffeine is classified as RESTRICTED by the NCAA, it is NOT banned.

Drugs and Procedures Subject to Restrictions:

a. Blood Doping.
b. Local Anesthetics (under some conditions).
c. Manipulation of Urine Samples.
d. Beta-2 Agonists permitted only by prescription and inhalation.
e. Caffeine if concentrations in urine exceed 15 micrograms/ml.

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/...ned+drugs+list

It would take an extremely large dose of caffeine to fail an NCAA Drug Test for caffeine.

Caffeine doses above 9 mg/kg can result in urinary caffeine levels that surpass the doping threshold for many sport organizations

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...tool=pmcentrez

For example; I weigh 223lbs/2.2=101kg---->101 x 9mg=909mg - So it would take someone my size around 900mg of caffeine in 5 hours (half life of caffeine) to fail an NCAA Drug Test for caffeine. It's not recommended for anyone to take that much caffeine at once. Obviously the safe amount of caffeine will differ with people that weigh more or less than me, so do your own calculations.

Helpful Links
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/...ned+drugs+list
http://drugfreesportrec.blogspot.com/
http://www.drugfreesport.com/
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/...tance-list.pdf

I want to make it clear that the NCAA does not ban specific supplements, but rather individual ingredients/substances.


I will continue to update this thread if/when any new information, banned substances, supplements with banned ingredients, or anything else of note comes to my attention. This is by no means an end all, be all list of banned substances. It is just my attempt to help. If you have a question please do not hesitate to post it below and I will do my best to answer it.

[kenny878]

cool thread. caffeine restriction seems odd to me

[HinkDink]

is geranium root extract 1,3-dimethyl as well? i remember a type of geranium that didn't have 1,3 in it.

[johnthecreator]

is geranium root extract 1,3-dimethyl as well? i remember a type of geranium that didn't have 1,3 in it.

technically 1,3-d is geranium Hydrochloride therefore falls under same category from a testing standpoint.

[antihero]

I agree with you 100% on this and I wrote a final exam paper on it for one of my sports nutrition classes a while ago.

The NCAA does an absolutely piss poor job with the list and I'm honestly astounded that more people aren't disqualified every year because of it.

[44bulldog]

cool thread. caffeine restriction seems odd to me

What about it seems odd? Just the fact that they restrict caffeine?

is geranium root extract 1,3-dimethyl as well? i remember a type of geranium that didn't have 1,3 in it.

Yes, I'm almost positive.

I agree with you 100% on this and I wrote a final exam paper on it for one of my sports nutrition classes a while ago.

The NCAA does an absolutely piss poor job with the list and I'm honestly astounded that more people aren't disqualified every year because of it.

Awesome bro. If you have any suggestions to add to this thread or if you want to post up your paper that would be great.

[Hawks58]

This is my favorite for the NCAA:

NOTE: There is no complete list of banned drug examples!!

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/...ned+drugs+list

More indepth post incoming, just find that funny always.

[Hawks58]

www.drugfreesport.com/rec
Use password ncaa1, ncaa2, or ncaa2. Takes some poking around but the site maintains lists of banned substances and what they do.

In an effort to not just copy/pasta from each link I will post them and a brief description of what each one maintains.

http://www.gettysburg.edu/dotAsset/2989246.pdf

2011-2012 Prohibited Substance "List" Note that the lists are NEVER all-inclusive and always come with the disclaimer "And any related substance." So if you are going to take some weird one off substance, get a minor in biochem and understand how it works....or look a few studies up and be prepared to make a proper defense of that substance with scientific evidence. What is a "related compound?"

The term “related compounds” comprises substances that are included in the class by their pharmacological action
and/or chemical structure. No substance belonging to the prohibited class may be used, regardless of whether it is
specifically listed as an example.http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/...tance-list.pdf

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/...tance-list.pdf

This is an older, but more indepth list, that lists out what more of what each substance is considered banned. It also gives definitions for various things such as "related compounds" A note here is that there are 13 stims listed....be sure to scrub you supps for all of them and their other known names. So on that note below is how you will get caught for dat dere cell tech:

For testosterone – if the administration of testosterone or the use of any other manipulation has the result of
increasing the ratio of the total concentration of testosterone to that of epitestosterone in the urine to greater than
6:1, unless there is evidence that this is due to a physiological or pathological condition.

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/...65b2a76ee8e0f8

Just another quick list of those that are banned.

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/...ned+drugs+list

Final list, straight from NCAA.

A huge note to all the recreational drug users out there for some reason according to NCAA.com there are only 3 recognized street drugs: THC/Marijuana/Heroin. Have no idea why at all, but those are it. Note that other drugs we would consider recreational (the more "hard" drugs) are typically found under categories like stims for a few.

[44bulldog]

www.drugfreesport.com/rec
Use password ncaa1, ncaa2, or ncaa2. Takes some poking around but the site maintains lists of banned substances and what they do.

In an effort to not just copy/pasta from each link I will post them and a brief description of what each one maintains.

http://www.gettysburg.edu/dotAsset/2989246.pdf

2011-2012 Prohibited Substance "List" Note that the lists are NEVER all-inclusive and always come with the disclaimer "And any related substance." So if you are going to take some weird one off substance, get a minor in biochem and understand how it works....or look a few studies up and be prepared to make a proper defense of that substance with scientific evidence. What is a "related compound?"


http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/...tance-list.pdf

This is an older, but more indepth list, that lists out what more of what each substance is considered banned. It also gives definitions for various things such as "related compounds" A note here is that there are 13 stims listed....be sure to scrub you supps for all of them and their other known names. So on that note below is how you will get caught for dat dere cell tech:



http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/...65b2a76ee8e0f8

Just another quick list of those that are banned.

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/...ned+drugs+list

Final list, straight from NCAA.

A huge note to all the recreational drug users out there for some reason according to NCAA.com there are only 3 recognized street drugs: THC/Marijuana/Heroin. Have no idea why at all, but those are it. Note that other drugs we would consider recreational (the more "hard" drugs) are typically found under categories like stims for a few.

Nice post. I added one of your links to the "Helpful Links" part of the OP.

[antihero]

For testosterone – if the administration of testosterone or the use of any other manipulation has the result of
increasing the ratio of the total concentration of testosterone to that of epitestosterone in the urine to greater than
6:1, unless there is evidence that this is due to a physiological or pathological condition.

And just to expand on this topic: The use of epitestosterone is banned (filed under "masking agent") to attempt to maintain the 6:1 test:epi ratio when using testosterone.

[antihero]

Awesome bro. If you have any suggestions to add to this thread or if you want to post up your paper that would be great.

I'll have to browse through my old hard drives for the paper of I still have it, but I can probably add some stuff to the list even if I don't find it.

[kenny878]

What about it seems odd? Just the fact that they restrict caffeine?

yeah i find that wierd, like i know alot of athletes who drink coffee all day everday figuratively speaking. obviously they would never reach the limit but why then the restriction?

[antihero]

This x1000.

I'm going to send Pinch a PM with a link to this thread.

I'm looking forward to his input. I just hope this doesn't turn into a never ending circle of ridiculous conjecture because of the piss-poor regulation.

yeah i find that wierd, like i know alot of athletes who drink coffee all day everday figuratively speaking. obviously they would never reach the limit but why then the restriction?

I have no idea, and I don't think anyone will get a concrete answer as to why. Although maybe it is out of actual concern for that athlete because of the extremely high level of caffeine intake that would be needed to achieve such a high concentration of excretion.

[Charlie777888]

This whole banned substance thing is complete horse ****! You guys should be able to supplement. They are a-holes!

[FrancdaBoss]

Haha true, but its more of a safety and compliance regulation than anything else. What are you taking now?

This whole banned substance thing is complete horse ****! You guys should be able to supplement. They are a-holes!

[Mk2fly]

Way too much hype surrounding supplement-use in the NCAA.

I'm an ex NCAA sprinter for 4 years and took what I wanted, whenever I wanted and never failed a drug test.

Most athletic trainers and sports directors try to scare you to the point of where you won't even drink coffee.

It's all spoon-fed bull ****, in my opinion.

[John98]

does the ncaa allow creatine or no?

[44bulldog]

does the ncaa allow creatine or no?

Yes, absolutely.

[southjman]

cool thread. Caffeine restriction seems odd to me

it does!

[miwilson15]

cool thread. caffeine restriction seems odd to me

stimulant straight up, you would only test positive if you took an energy drink or pre workout type right before the test
,

[TrueAmateur]

stimulant straight up, you would only test positive if you took an energy drink or pre workout type right before the test
,

I wonder if ginseng would pass it. I used to take a small vial of ginseng before workouts and woah... It'd give me superman energy. It worked so good I stopped doing it... was a bit scary. I think I'm going to start back though. You feel so energetic to where you do things your body really is too tired to do and I think it can cause problems, but if you know your limits, it can be one of the greatest natural enhancers you can think of.

[eashaahmed]

great idea

[majj268]

what do the numbers mean? ie. "1,3-dymethl". & what exactly does "standalone" mean in terms of supplements?

[SkatDaddy]

what do the numbers mean? ie. "1,3-dymethl". & what exactly does "standalone" mean in terms of supplements?

The numbers indicate where double (or,triple) carbon bonds are formed in the chemical structure.
The FDA has effectively banned 1,3-dimethylalamine.( I bet a pharma co. patents it soon to treat maybe ADD. )
By stand alone, I think they mean just the substance itself.

[ekilroy20]

cool thread. caffeine restriction seems odd to me

It's more so that the athletes aren't taking in caffeine on caffeine. You know, drinking a few cups of coffee every day won't get you into trouble...

[antihero]

It's more so that the athletes aren't taking in caffeine on caffeine. You know, drinking a few cups of coffee every day won't get you into trouble...

Yeah, the caffeine intake guidelines seems like general health guideline to be honest. Dosing caffeine that high would not be prudent to overall performance unless an individual is ridiculously stim tolerant.

[TrueAmateur]

Yeah, the caffeine intake guidelines seems like general health guideline to be honest. Dosing caffeine that high would not be prudent to overall performance unless an individual is ridiculously stim tolerant.

I don't see anything wrong with caffeine overall, but imagine yourself already pushing your heart rate to the max then over-exhilarating yourself and pushing it a bit further. Some people collapse and die from it (very rare and highly unlikely, as you'd probably pass out or quit long before that happens) but it's still a risk. It's weird though, as caffeine has different effects on different people. Personally for me, caffeine doesn't give me any energy, increase heart rate, or anything. All it does for me is increase my concentration... a lot. Like Jack3d for example. It helps me stay motivated, but that's about it.

[chadwr85]

Yeah the F.D.A is cracking down on caffeine. The daily maximum amount recommended is 400mg yet an average cup of coffee (12oz) has 180mg+, same with most energy drinks. And pre-workouts have about 200mg of caffeine per scoop. I know people who took 3-5 scoops of C4. The F.D.A is going to put a limit of about 150mg of caffeine per serving of the substance and make the product clearly label how much caffeine is in the product. Over 12,000 people were hospitalized in 2010 for caffeine over-consumption. It's a big problem not well known.

[gillG]

Awesome thread, caffeine??

[44bulldog]

Awesome thread, caffeine??

I covered it in depth in the OP.

It's not banned. It's restricted. Just read the first post.