Why is conditioning so bad these days?

[valiantmiller16]

I agree. My understanding is that use of diuretics was out of control until Munzer died (I'm not sure he even died of diuretics, but that was the impression). I don't know what Levrone is talking about regarding low carbs; just ask Shawn Ray, he ate tons of carbs and came in shredded.

nothing to do with diuretics guys are still using the same things they did in the 90's it's all these 'gurus' that have come along and now nobody can think for themselves anymore, nearly everyone on the olympia stage had a prep coach this year where as in the 90's you had guys knowing how to reach peak condition on there own from experience without relying on some fukhead.

[microspot]

Nah just the quality of the pics and vids have gotten better since the 90's. Take away film grain, whacky contrast and poop loads of noise and you'll see that the pros of the 90's are in the same condition as the pros of today.

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this I'm glad I'm not the only one who understands that.

[Loctus]

BB'ers are just as shredded today, their muscles just have a slightly different look due to the marbling that insulin causes.

[DavisForman]

So many ignorant people...

[Morsprincipium1]

BB'ers are just as shredded today, their muscles just have a slightly different look due to the marbling that insulin causes.

First insightful post here...megadosing insulin is the reason.

[trulyhuge1]

This thread will go on forever. I feel athletes of the nineties looked to have been able to pull a bit more water out of their bodies...diuertics maybe? who knows. No need to start a flame war to be honest.

[PaynESTER]

[zmcdole]

So many ignorant people...

That's a small collection of examples as well. There are more.

[FAN0FdaSport]

The 1997 Olympia wasn't really a high standard of conditioning and probably the worst of the decade. The 96 on the other hand, lots of guys were shredded, especially the top 6.

@ Davis, every example you listed excluding Phil only came in that conditioned once this year. Some of them even fell off the rader at their show after.

Another point people are forgetting to make is consistency. The guys today hit their peak once or twice a year. Lol at using Levrone, ok sure he came in off at the 97 O, but after that Ronnie himself said he came in shredded to the next 6-7 shows on the grand prix tour.

[rebel25]

The 1997 Olympia wasn't really a high standard of conditioning and probably the worst of the decade. The 96 on the other hand, lots of guys were shredded, especially the top 6.

@ Davis, every example you listed excluding Phil only came in that conditioned once this year. Some of them even fell off the rader at their show after.

Another point people are forgetting to make is consistency. The guys today hit their peak once or twice a year. Lol at using Levrone, ok sure he came in off at the 97 O, but after that Ronnie himself said he came in shredded to the next 6-7 shows on the grand prix tour.

^This, consistancy is a major factor here. Remember the top tier bodybuilders of that era on average participated in more competitions evidenced by the huge deal that was made of Kai Greene doing the NY Pro this year who previouslly placed 7th at the Olympia. And consistancy is a major part of why Phil Heath has done so well if nothing else he is always one of, if not THE best conditioned bodybuilder on stage.That consistant level of conditioning seperates him from everyone else. Branch Warren is another bodybuilder that simply by coming in great condition seperates him from others in spite of the fact he has many challenges structurally and otherwise.

[asbrus]

^this, consistancy is a major factor here. Remember the top tier bodybuilders of that era on average participated in more competitions evidenced by the huge deal that was made of kai greene doing the ny pro this year who previouslly placed 7th at the olympia. And consistancy is a major part of why phil heath has done so well if nothing else he is always one of, if not the best conditioned bodybuilder on stage.that consistant level of conditioning seperates him from everyone else. Branch warren is another bodybuilder that simply by coming in great condition seperates him from others in spite of the fact he has many challenges structurally and otherwise.

bbers t0day c0mpete 1-2 times a year and still can't c0me in peak shape. Example kai greene.

[DavisForman]

@ Davis, every example you listed excluding Phil only came in that conditioned once this year. Some of them even fell off the rader at their show after.

Kefalionas is shredded at every show, Kai was also peeled in Sheru, Phil has only ever been off ONCE in his pro career, Evan was still conditioned at the AC just not as much as the Flex and Hide is very consistent.

And you are very naive to think that the pros of the 90 were always conditioned at every show.

It's unbelievable how little respect modern pros get.

[alaska21]

^^ exactly Levrone sucks. He either came in big n soft or tiny and sharp. overrated bodybuilder..

Lol troll

[FAN0FdaSport]

Kefalionas is shredded at every show, Kai was also peeled in Sheru, Phil has only ever been off ONCE in his pro career, Evan was still conditioned at the AC just not as much as the Flex and Hide is very consistent.

And you are very naive to think that the pros of the 90 were always conditioned at every show.

It's unbelievable how little respect modern pros get.

The problem with your arguement is you're using the best pros and not the overall. Using Phil and Kai doesn't prove anything. Look at this years Olympia, after 6th place the conditioning fell off. With 16th place pros being terrible.

The pros in the 90s were more consistent and thats what people mean when they say the conditioning is better not Dorian>Phil or Jay

[AnarkyLost]

The problem with your arguement is you're using the best pros and not the overall. Using Phil and Kai doesn't prove anything. Look at this years Olympia, after 6th place the conditioning fell off. With 16th place pros being terrible.

The pros in the 90s were more consistent and thats what people mean when they say the conditioning is better not Dorian>Phil or Jay

How can he only be using the best pro's when he threw in Hide and Kefalionous? Theres a whole list of pro's that aren't in the very top that came in shredded so that best argument doesnt really stand.

[AnarkyLost]

Also lets not pretend that the 90's pro's were some gift from god and say 97 was the only time they came in off heres pics from 96





I'm not seeing mind blowing condition here.

[FAN0FdaSport]

...because those pics have terrible quality. They look way better on video.

[AnarkyLost]

...because those pics have terrible quality. They look way better on video.

You mean the video that has been processed with a sharpness filter or is taken from a 480 interlaced source? Yea bc that doesn't make things look sharper or anything.

[AnarkyLost]

I'll say this as image quality got better Nasser/Levrone/Wheeler's conditioning got worse. Coincidence?

[PaynESTER]

You mean the video that has been processed with a sharpness filter or is taken from a 480 interlaced source? Yea bc that doesn't make things look sharper or anything.

ill find pics bro

[AnarkyLost]

ill find pics bro

Remember I never said they never came shredded what I'm arguing is they werent shredded nearly as often as their memory tells them they were. Early Levrone was pretty shredded for 2 years after that he never hit that level again same for Wheeler.

[PaynESTER]

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[DavisForman]

The problem with your arguement is you're using the best pros and not the overall. Using Phil and Kai doesn't prove anything. Look at this years Olympia, after 6th place the conditioning fell off. With 16th place pros being terrible.

The pros in the 90s were more consistent and thats what people mean when they say the conditioning is better not Dorian>Phil or Jay

I used Fouad and Evan (who weren't at the O) and Troy and Kefalionos. Do you even follow bodybuilding?

Today > 90s

[asbrus]

i used fouad and evan (who weren't at the o) and troy and kefalionos. Do you even follow bodybuilding?

Today > 90s

kefalian0s has s0ft glutes and fa0ud is n0thing impressive.

[Groggery]

kefalian0s has s0ft glutes and fa0ud is n0thing impressive.

New years trolling.

[asbrus]

New years trolling.

A LITTLE EARLY T0 START D0N'T Y0U THINK?

S0FT AS A MARSHMALL0W.

[alan aragon]

^^ exactly Levrone sucks. He either came in big n soft or tiny and sharp. overrated bodybuilder..

Kevin made the top 3 in 7 out of the 12 times he competed in the Olympia. Your trolling is invalid.

[AnarkyLost]

A LITTLE EARLY T0 START D0N'T Y0U THINK?

S0FT AS A MARSHMALL0W.

So I guess Flex isnt conditioned either since his glutes don't look like Ronnies

[andymuscle88]

^^ exactly Levrone sucks. He either came in big n soft or tiny and sharp. overrated bodybuilder..

History and general consensus does not look favorably upon your opinion.....at all

[INMATEaco]

^^ exactly Levrone sucks. He either came in big n soft or tiny and sharp. overrated bodybuilder..