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    When to start using lifting belts

    ok well i currently am only at a 315x4 deadlift and about a 275x4 squat... i was wondering at what weight should i start using a lifting belt... or should i ever use one...
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    Originally Posted by Comboking View Post
    ok well i currently am only at a 315x4 deadlift and about a 275x4 squat... i was wondering at what weight should i start using a lifting belt... or should i ever use one...
    I'm not sure what's recommended around here. But I'm personally going to use one once I go over 405x5 squat and 495x5 deadlift.
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    Originally Posted by Liftamulti View Post
    Whenever you want.
    ^. so many thread like this.



    All I can suggest is just try a 4" belt before you make the decision to wait until certain point to start wearing a belt religiously.
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    Originally Posted by Comboking View Post
    ok well i currently am only at a 315x4 deadlift and about a 275x4 squat... i was wondering at what weight should i start using a lifting belt... or should i ever use one...
    If you start to rely on belts when you are lifting small weight then your core gets weakened. I used to do that and it took me forever to get up to a 315 belt-less squat because of it.

    I'd wait until you have a 405 DL and a 365 squat.

    Also make sure it's the same width all the way around, none of that like 6" in the back 3" in the front ****.
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    Originally Posted by Liftamulti View Post
    Whenever you want.
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    Originally Posted by isaku900 View Post
    this.
    I don't mean to contradict, but rather a question. I've heard from reading forums/watching videos that it is better to hold off on using a belt, until you feel you really need it as it hinders building core strength?

    The argument was that if someone started using a belt at 225x5, by the time they are 315x5, their core would be weaker compared to someone who did not use a belt at all who got to 315x5. As a result I've begun to go beltless up to ~365 in order to not rely on my belt as much. I'm aware of IAP and whatnot as well, just curious.

    Clarification would be fantabulous.

    Also, strong negs from my previous post.

    Thanks
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    Originally Posted by Stairs View Post
    I don't mean to contradict, but rather a question. I've heard from reading forums/watching videos that it is better to hold off on using a belt, until you feel you really need it as it hinders building core strength?

    The argument was that if someone started using a belt at 225x5, by the time they are 315x5, their core would be weaker compared to someone who did not use a belt at all who got to 315x5. As a result I've begun to go beltless up to ~365 in order to not rely on my belt as much.

    Clarification would be fantabulous.

    Also, strong negs from my previous post.

    Thanks
    The person with the belt would reach 315 x 5 faster then the one who did it belt less, naturally as your belted squat goes up your belt less squat goes up with it. It also increases the abdominal pressure by making the abs push out into the belt, having it work harder as opposed to being belt less. Therefore your core is still being worked as well as the weights you lift is higher.

    ^ But let Isaku explain lol.
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    Originally Posted by MattIsBored View Post
    The person with the belt would reach 315 x 5 faster then the one who did it belt less, naturally as your belted squat goes up your belt less squat goes up with it. It also increases the abdominal pressure by making the abs push out into the belt, having it work harder as opposed to being belt less. Therefore your core is still being worked as well as the weights you lift is higher.

    ^ But let Isaku explain lol.
    Yurr, I ask because I started using a belt when I had a 1 RM of ~300. Then I realized that it was uber hard for me, with a max of 405, to do 315x3 without a belt. So I made it a priority to start doing more weight beltless to kind of build up my (seemingly week?) core.

    Now it's much better and I can hit 315x7 no probs, but I had to work at it.

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    Originally Posted by Stairs View Post
    Yurr, I ask because I started using a belt when I had a 1 RM of ~300. Then I realized that it was uber hard for me, with a max of 405, to do 315x3 without a belt. So I made it a priority to start doing more weight beltless to kind of build up my (seemingly week?) core.

    Now it's much better and I can hit 315x7 no probs, but I had to work at it.

    Thanks for the negs btw
    lol I know it's only a temp account figured it don't matter. I had the same issue thinking it was my belt/ belt less issue but rather a breathing issue and stabilizing my core.
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    1) do heavy squats with a belt
    2) do direct weighted ab work

    voila, goal of heavy squat on platform achieved.
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    i put one on for anything above 405.
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    Originally Posted by isaku900 View Post
    1) do heavy squats with a belt
    2) do direct weighted ab work

    voila, goal of heavy squat on platform achieved.
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    haha thanks guys for the help, ill lay off the belt till I'm at 405 1rm...
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    Originally Posted by Comboking View Post
    haha thanks guys for the help, ill lay off the belt till I'm at 405 1rm...
    unsure how you reached that conclusion from this thread...but ok.
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    Originally Posted by Comboking View Post
    ok well i currently am only at a 315x4 deadlift and about a 275x4 squat... i was wondering at what weight should i start using a lifting belt... or should i ever use one...
    There is no magic number or percentage... Start whenever you want as long as your core is strong enough so that you're not relying on the belt for stability. Also, make sure when you start using the belt that you add some direct core work (if you aren't doing it already).

    Originally Posted by Comboking
    haha thanks guys for the help, ill lay off the belt till I'm at 405 1rm...
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    unsure how you reached that conclusion from this thread...but ok.
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    Originally Posted by isaku900 View Post
    unsure how you reached that conclusion from this thread...but ok.
    Lmao


    You guys are way over thinking it. If my goal is to squat 700 raw in my life. Why would I start to use a belt at 405, or 455, or 500, or 200? It just doesn't matter. Use a belt if you want to use a belt, dont if don't want to.

    Sure some would say you start to rely on the belt, but I'm a powerlifter, so I will always have a belt in competition. And just core work so it isn't weak.
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    Originally Posted by Stairs View Post
    I don't mean to contradict, but rather a question. I've heard from reading forums/watching videos that it is better to hold off on using a belt, until you feel you really need it as it hinders building core strength?

    The argument was that if someone started using a belt at 225x5, by the time they are 315x5, their core would be weaker compared to someone who did not use a belt at all who got to 315x5. As a result I've begun to go beltless up to ~365 in order to not rely on my belt as much. I'm aware of IAP and whatnot as well, just curious.

    Clarification would be fantabulous.

    Also, strong negs from my previous post.

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    From 70sbig.com:

    To understand why a belt works, we must understand what is occurring physiologically during a heavy lift. If you have been taught correctly, then you already take a big, deep breath and hold it throughout the lift. This big breath of air increases the intra-thoracic pressure and subsequently the intra-abdominal pressure. This pressure acts like a pneumatic brace against the anterior portion of the spine while the erectors of the back brace it from the posterior. This increases the support of the spine, and more support means more strength.

    The belt’s purpose is to constrict the abdominals to give them something to contract against. This contraction of the abdominals with an appropriately tightened belt is like trying to increase the volume in a non-expansible container — it increases the pressure even more. Not only is it helping to increase the intra-abdominal and thoracic pressure more than without the belt, but the abdominals also contract harder into the belt to do so. More pressure is more support which means more strength to do the task at hand.


    The belt will allow heavier weights to be handled, and then heavier weights can be handled un-belted too — more than if you had not worn the belt to begin with. In other words, it makes you stronger whether you want to believe it or not. If a lifter chooses not to wear a belt while knowing this, then they are choosing to not allow their trunk to become as strong as it could. In other words, anybody who is serious about getting stronger will wear one.

    I was having this conversation with two lifters at the gym yesterday, and after explaining the belt’s purpose, I said, “So, just wear the ****ing belt, ok? Please?” It would be silly not to (especially because our gym has lots of them hanging on the wall)."
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    Originally Posted by Stairs View Post
    I don't mean to contradict, but rather a question. I've heard from reading forums/watching videos that it is better to hold off on using a belt, until you feel you really need it as it hinders building core strength?

    The argument was that if someone started using a belt at 225x5, by the time they are 315x5, their core would be weaker compared to someone who did not use a belt at all who got to 315x5. As a result I've begun to go beltless up to ~365 in order to not rely on my belt as much. I'm aware of IAP and whatnot as well, just curious.

    Clarification would be fantabulous.

    Also, strong negs from my previous post.

    Thanks
    So by your theory, we should never use a belt. Just as you say someone who goes from 225x5 to 315x5 will have a weaker core if they use the belt. The same can be applied from 315x5 to 405x5 and 405x5 to 495x5 and so on. So your idea of going beltless to 365 does not follow your original thought.

    Or you can listen to smart/strong people like liftamulti and isauku and use the belt whenever you feel it is necessary and do accessory core work to strengthen your core if you feel it is a weakpoint.
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    Originally Posted by jbealsrmt View Post
    Start whenever you want as long as your core is strong enough so that you're not relying on the belt for stability.

    I may be misreading your post here, but that's the primary function of the belt - to increase IAP for added stability. If you aren't "relying on the belt for stability" then there's no point in wearing the belt.

    OP- read the 70sbig articles on belts. Start weaing one when you decide that you want to get stronger faster.
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    Originally Posted by Stairs View Post
    If you start to rely on belts when you are lifting small weight then your core gets weakened.
    No it doesn't.
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    Originally Posted by MoshCamp View Post
    I may be misreading your post here, but that's the primary function of the belt - to increase IAP for added stability. If you aren't "relying on the belt for stability" then there's no point in wearing the belt.
    You're right... The key here is "added" stability. The belt is an aid to add more stability to an already strong core. It is not a replacement. Some people actually relax their core when they use a belt, which is counter-productive. I was referring to those people.
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    use one whenever you want. if you're worried about having a weak core, you can always train that seperately
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