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    Question Why do we(America) spend so much money on our military and wars? Who is to blame?

    Seriously, who is in charge of spending so much money and efforts on fighting wars that we create? Who benefits from this and why would they continue this trend if it makes the debt grow and makes the world hate us? Is it because the elite have deals with Halliburton and they know that no matter how bad our economy looks that they will continue to get wealthier?

    I just don't understand who these wars benefit and why we continue to do something completely un-Constitutional that bankrupts our country.

    I fear that someone with this much power would also have the power to make certain someone like Ron Paul is not elected.
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    Streetbull, well people like him anyway. srs

    Also you should remember that America is a very aggressive nation. The US was founded on basically decimating the local people and conquering land from the Mexicans. Then that has been followed up with incessant war warmongering all over the planet for the last 50 years (Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan various other proxy wars in S America, C America, Africa and notably in Afghanistan again).

    Personally I think that as a progressive compassionate democracy America has a responsibility as the most powerful nation on earth to prevent the systematic enslavement, murder and oppression of humanity. So in some sense I support much of the military action on the part of the US, I'd like to see it use force more to address balances (like in Libya) rather than outright conquest though (like Iraq/Afghanistan), not least because political/military objectives in conquest type operations are necessarily not clear because we are not allowed to talk about conquest. Unclear objectives is pretty much a guarantee of failure.
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    Originally Posted by frasersteen View Post
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    huh?
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    huh?
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    Originally Posted by frasersteen View Post
    Streetbull, well people like him anyway. srs

    Also you should remember that America is a very aggressive nation. The US was founded on basically decimating the local people and conquering land from the Mexicans. Then that has been followed up with incessant war warmongering all over the planet for the last 50 years (Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan various other proxy wars in S America, C America, Africa and notably in Afghanistan again).

    Personally I think that as a progressive compassionate democracy America has a responsibility as the most powerful nation on earth to prevent the systematic enslavement, murder and oppression of humanity. So in some sense I support much of the military action on the part of the US, I'd like to see it use force more to address balances (like in Libya) rather than outright conquest though (like Iraq/Afghanistan), not least because political/military objectives in conquest type operations are necessarily not clear because we are not allowed to talk about conquest. Unclear objectives is pretty much a guarantee of failure.
    ahhhhhhhhhhh. So, basically, we use our military to do good around the world, and we also use it for conquest.

    So it's kind of like going Christmas shopping for your family, but only because you plan on getting yourself something sweet too?
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    Originally Posted by ATLien1 View Post
    ahhhhhhhhhhh. So, basically, we use our military to do good around the world, and we also use it for conquest.

    So it's kind of like going Christmas shopping for your family, but only because you plan on getting yourself something sweet too?
    Kind of, my political ideals are based on principles rather than practicalities. I think America should police the world but I don't think it has been doing a particularly good job of it so far.
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    Originally Posted by frasersteen View Post


    The "surrounding nations" of NK =/= Halliburton, the US, or anything to do with our debt.
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    Originally Posted by Mrs Grudge View Post
    because the people who are calling the shots benefit from it.
    lol but WHO are the people calling the shots?

    Originally Posted by nirahtma View Post
    The "surrounding nations" of NK =/= Halliburton, the US, or anything to do with our debt.
    I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you mean
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    I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you mean
    Did you read post #2 from frasersteen's link??
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    Originally Posted by ATLien1 View Post
    lol but WHO are the people calling the shots?
    the guys who own businesses that would make money off of warfare.
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    Did you read post #2 from frasersteen's link??
    yes, but what is NK and what does =/= mean?
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    yes, but what is NK and what does =/= mean?

    NK = North Korea

    =/= = not equal to
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    we spend so much money on wars because all of the biggest companies that make the most money are the companies that make war resources. They have the most money to lobby for the elected officials they like and they are the ones that stand to gain the most from war.
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    we spend so much money on wars because all of the biggest companies that make the most money are the companies that make war resources. They have the most money to lobby for the elected officials they like and they are the ones that stand to gain the most from war.
    a whole lot of this^^ also, I feel people don't realize we live in an empire. We are in full conquest mode and have been for quite some time...credit to who said it earlier in thread.

    If you ever played FFXII you can see this there too. The one reigning empire Archadia, is viewed by its annexed states as an evil empire of supreme power...that's like how the middle east views us...but when you reach the empire and explore the city and talk to NPCs all the citizens of Archadia are happy as hell and enjoying life likes as is well...that's us right meow...not srs but kinda srs
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    the economy is built on consuming.......greed therefore is good, they teach it in school and the media.........so then the most greedy murderous people rise to the top..... and the rest are dumbed down with computer games and x factor

    the whole system is collapsing now as we have an economy built on infinite growth...........but finite resources........and a fast increase in population....the greed and consumption has outgrown the planet

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    Originally Posted by ATLien1 View Post
    Seriously, who is in charge of spending so much money and efforts on fighting wars that we create?
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    Well Liberals want to destroy our military while the Chinese and other countries are building theres up....
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    Originally Posted by frasersteen View Post
    Streetbull, well people like him anyway. srs

    Also you should remember that America is a very aggressive nation. The US was founded on basically decimating the local people and conquering land from the Mexicans. ......
    FTW.. We PAID the mexicans TENS of MILLIONS for land they took from the Spaniards, who took it from the natives. Dont cry for the Mexicans.
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    Originally Posted by BEATINGU View Post
    Well Liberals want to destroy our military while the Chinese and other countries are building theres up....
    We spend more money on our military than the rest of the world combined. Scaling back is something that we should probably consider.

    Originally Posted by flairon View Post
    we spend so much money on wars because all of the biggest companies that make the most money are the companies that make war resources. They have the most money to lobby for the elected officials they like and they are the ones that stand to gain the most from war.
    This. War is big money. And it employs a ton of people. And these people are the constituents of some of the most powerful Congressmen.

    Originally Posted by nardostyle102 View Post
    a whole lot of this^^ also, I feel people don't realize we live in an empire. We are in full conquest mode and have been for quite some time...credit to who said it earlier in thread.
    We're not really building a traditional empire. It's an economic one.
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