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    cross trainer vs tredmill for fat loss

    which option is better for fat loss - 30 mins on cross trainer at 150 avg. heart rate and burning 350 cals or 30 mins running on tredmill at 11km/hr at 130-135 avg.heart rate and burning 550 cals....
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    Well since calories in vs calories out dictates how much weight you lose/gain......
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    Originally Posted by Mightymuff View Post
    Well since calories in vs calories out dictates how much weight you lose/gain......
    This. Cardio is cardio.

    200 calories burnt from running on the treadmill or 200 calories burnt from furiously masturbating is still 200 calories, just one would hurt after a while. Do what you want.
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    So doing hiit on tredmill for 20 mins and burning 400 cals as oppose to walking on incline for 40 mins and burning the same amount of cals would induce the same amount of fatloss?
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    Originally Posted by spectacular102 View Post
    So doing hiit on tredmill for 20 mins and burning 400 cals as oppose to walking on incline for 40 mins and burning the same amount of cals would induce the same amount of fatloss?
    The benefit of HIIT and other fast paced cardio is that it's good for your heart and lungs. But yes, calories burnt are calories burnt.
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    So I’ve been cutting for two months now drinking 2 gallons of water a day with a 1500 cal deficiency and have lost only 14 lbs, always stuck with the mentality that muscle burn fat so cardio got pushed to three days a wk. but after a back and knee injury I gained 130 lbs in 3 years. Need it gone by December of next year. My nutritionist said my body fat is 25%, looking to get down to 12 or 15 without compromising muscle strength. Any Tips
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    Originally Posted by Scrawler View Post
    So I’ve been cutting for two months now drinking 2 gallons of water a day with a 1500 cal deficiency and have lost only 14 lbs, always stuck with the mentality that muscle burn fat so cardio got pushed to three days a wk. but after a back and knee injury I gained 130 lbs in 3 years. Need it gone by December of next year. My nutritionist said my body fat is 25%, looking to get down to 12 or 15 without compromising muscle strength. Any Tips
    your nutritionist is incompetent or a liar you are not 25% fat, not if your 406lbs. If he is correct congratulations you could be an IFBB pro with the amount of muscle you have on your body you should try and compete but your a little tall so you wont get far.

    you can lose the weight you need by December next year but you should start but finding a nutritionist who knows how to do their job

    you can also post some pics here your diet as well and we can help as much as possible
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    Originally Posted by tanajerner View Post
    your nutritionist is incompetent or a liar you are not 25% fat, not if your 406lbs. If he is correct congratulations you could be an IFBB pro with the amount of muscle you have on your body
    He could be a pro strongman
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    Originally Posted by gbone74 View Post
    He could be a pro strongman
    well i did think about that and decided against it a pro strongman would know to lift stupid amounts of weight and fat would just melt of him with the amount of calories those guys consume
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    Personally, I like using the cross trainer to warm up for 10 mins before workout. And using the treadmill for cardio. 3-3.5 mph on an incline. Always keep your heart rate between 130 and 140 for optimal fat loss.
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    Originally Posted by tanajerner View Post
    your nutritionist is incompetent or a liar you are not 25% fat, not if your 406lbs. If he is correct congratulations you could be an IFBB pro with the amount of muscle you have on your body you should try and compete but your a little tall so you wont get far.

    you can lose the weight you need by December next year but you should start but finding a nutritionist who knows how to do their job

    you can also post some pics here your diet as well and we can help as much as possible
    Thanks for the advice, plan to upload pics when I get done at work. Before the injury i was 314 at 11% 8000 cal a day intake. So I don’t know, never cared about the calorie counting to lose weight until I had kids and started worrying about my health.

    This is my workout routine with a 3000 cal intake and a clen/T3 Stack

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    Originally Posted by Scrawler View Post
    Thanks for the advice, plan to upload pics when I get done at work. Before the injury i was 314 at 11% 8000 cal a day intake. So I don’t know, never cared about the calorie counting to lose weight until I had kids and started worrying about my health.

    This is my workout routine with a 3000 cal intake and a clen/T3 Stack

    Upper Body Workout MWF
    Reps
    Bench 12 10 8 8 8
    Incline 12 10 8 8 8
    Decline 12 10 8 8 8
    Hang Clean 12 10 8 8 8

    Supplement Lifts
    Sets*reps
    Military Pres 4*14
    BNP 4*14
    Fly’s 4*14
    Tricep Extension 4*14
    Overhead tricep Extension W/Rope 4*14
    Shrugs 4*14
    Downward cable Cross 4*14
    Cable Crossover 4*14
    Pec Dec 4*14
    Side to side pull down 4*14
    Seated Rows 4*14
    Cable Wide Grip pull down Front 4*14
    Cable Wide Grip pull down Rear 4*14
    Bent Over Row 4*14
    Dumbbell alternate bench press 4*14
    Dumbbell Upright Shrugs 4*14

    ABs & 60 min Cardio
    Sets*reps
    Low Wood Chop 4*30
    Standing Oblique cable crunch 4*30
    Standing Cable Crunch 4*30
    Dumbbell Side Bends 4*30
    Plate Drills 4*30

    Lower Body TThSa
    Reps
    Squat 12 10 8 8 8
    Front Squat 12 10 8 8 8
    Dead Lift 12 10 8 8 8

    Supplement Lifts
    Sets*reps
    Toe Rises 4*14
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    Leg Curls 4*14
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    Hip Adduction 4*14
    Dumbbell Lunge 4*14
    Left Leg, Leg Press 4*14
    Right Leg, Leg Press 4*14

    ABs & 60 min Cardio
    Sets*reps
    Low Wood Chop 4*30
    Standing Oblique cable crunch 4*30
    Standing Cable Crunch 4*30
    Dumbbell Side Bends 4*30

    Sunday 90 minutes cardio


    314 at 11% .how tall are you 8',are you a famous footballer or something.

    Ronnie coleman was barely 314 at 11% off season
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    Originally Posted by Scrawler View Post
    Thanks for the advice, plan to upload pics when I get done at work. Before the injury i was 314 at 11% 8000 cal a day intake. So I don’t know, never cared about the calorie counting to lose weight until I had kids and started worrying about my health.

    This is my workout routine with a 3000 cal intake and a clen/T3 Stack

    Upper Body Workout MWF
    Reps
    Bench 12 10 8 8 8
    Incline 12 10 8 8 8
    Decline 12 10 8 8 8
    Hang Clean 12 10 8 8 8

    Supplement Lifts
    Sets*reps
    Military Pres 4*14
    BNP 4*14
    Fly’s 4*14
    Tricep Extension 4*14
    Overhead tricep Extension W/Rope 4*14
    Shrugs 4*14
    Downward cable Cross 4*14
    Cable Crossover 4*14
    Pec Dec 4*14
    Side to side pull down 4*14
    Seated Rows 4*14
    Cable Wide Grip pull down Front 4*14
    Cable Wide Grip pull down Rear 4*14
    Bent Over Row 4*14
    Dumbbell alternate bench press 4*14
    Dumbbell Upright Shrugs 4*14

    ABs & 60 min Cardio
    Sets*reps
    Low Wood Chop 4*30
    Standing Oblique cable crunch 4*30
    Standing Cable Crunch 4*30
    Dumbbell Side Bends 4*30
    Plate Drills 4*30

    Lower Body TThSa
    Reps
    Squat 12 10 8 8 8
    Front Squat 12 10 8 8 8
    Dead Lift 12 10 8 8 8

    Supplement Lifts
    Sets*reps
    Toe Rises 4*14
    Leg Extension 4*14
    Leg Curls 4*14
    Hip Abduction 4*14
    Hip Adduction 4*14
    Dumbbell Lunge 4*14
    Left Leg, Leg Press 4*14
    Right Leg, Leg Press 4*14

    ABs & 60 min Cardio
    Sets*reps
    Low Wood Chop 4*30
    Standing Oblique cable crunch 4*30
    Standing Cable Crunch 4*30
    Dumbbell Side Bends 4*30

    Sunday 90 minutes cardio
    what da phuck im not even sure what to say anymore

    who the hell are you?
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    and could you see your abs at 11% bf?

    because your stats are wow not sure if srs
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    Originally Posted by gbone74 View Post
    314 at 11% .how tall are you 8',are you a famous footballer or something.

    Ronnie coleman was barely 314 at 11% off season
    lol my thoughts
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    Originally Posted by nlite2000 View Post
    What weighs more--a pound of bricks or a pound of feathers?
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    Originally Posted by tanajerner View Post
    what da phuck im not even sure what to say anymore

    who the hell are you?
    whats your job?
    and could you see your abs at 11% bf?

    because your stats are wow not sure if srs
    Yes I could see my abs, don’t understand the issue. I was playing college ball at that time, then semi-pro, and then Arena football before my knee could no longer take the pounding. No point in BS, just trying to get healthy, it was my understanding that 25% bf was obese so ya? Just wanted some tips, maybe a routine modification but without splits, I only do full body workouts. After the comments yesterday I went and got a second opinion on BF and it was 27.68 %. Not much of a difference, Nutritionist did the calipers with skin fold and my doctor took body measurements. So then I went online to a few BMI sites that used measurements and they were in all in that range.
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    Obesity is defined as an excess amount of body fat. The normal amount of body fat (expressed as a percentage of body weight) is between 25-30% in women and 18-23% in men. Women with over 30% body fat and men with over 25% body fat are considered obese.
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    Originally Posted by gbone74 View Post
    314 at 11% .how tall are you 8',are you a famous footballer or something.

    Ronnie coleman was barely 314 at 11% off season
    It was during the season, off-season was more like 16 to 18%
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    Originally Posted by Scrawler View Post
    Obesity is defined as an excess amount of body fat. The normal amount of body fat (expressed as a percentage of body weight) is between 25-30% in women and 18-23% in men. Women with over 30% body fat and men with over 25% body fat are considered obese.
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    I think their point here is that your stats are amazing and unbelievable that for you to have those stats is you must be a hardcore bodybuilder like the Mr. Olympia contenders. But its hard to assume that you are a professional BB'er if you still ask these kind of questions.

    People here doesn't really wanna try to flame you but just to help you realize that you may not be aware of your own body composition. I guess its really better if you can post some photos so we can get a better estimate of your BF%.

    Aside from that, you kind of hi-jacked the OP's thread by posting your own question here. Better start a new one.
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    This thread really does show how often people vastly overestimate their lean body mass.
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    Originally Posted by jinda628 View Post
    I think their point here is that your stats are amazing and unbelievable that for you to have those stats is you must be a hardcore bodybuilder like the Mr. Olympia contenders. But its hard to assume that you are a professional BB'er if you still ask these kind of questions.

    People here doesn't really wanna try to flame you but just to help you realize that you may not be aware of your own body composition. I guess its really better if you can post some photos so we can get a better estimate of your BF%.

    Aside from that, you kind of hi-jacked the OP's thread by posting your own question here. Better start a new one.
    Don’t really care about the BF%. That just what I was told, but now I know that the two doctors I have are idiot’s thanks. Along with the team doctor I had in college and with the Arena team I was on but anyways.
    Don’t know how to start a thread I'm a noob.
    It was just a question; I didn’t see a problem with asking.
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    Originally Posted by nlite2000 View Post
    What weighs more--a pound of bricks or a pound of feathers?
    depends how windy it is. nom sayin?
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    Originally Posted by Scrawler View Post
    Don’t really care about the BF%. That just what I was told, but now I know that the two doctors I have are idiot’s thanks. Along with the team doctor I had in college and with the Arena team I was on but anyways.
    Don’t know how to start a thread I'm a noob.
    It was just a question; I didn’t see a problem with asking.
    Noone said that your doctors are stupid. We didnt get the info directly from them so its hard to tell.
    You came here to asked questions and people tried to express their thoughts about it and you seemed disappointed.

    And if you figured out how to post and reply in this thread then there shouldn't be any problem figuring out how to start your own thread.
    This happens to most of us. Overestimating and not understanding our own body composition. But thats the reason why we are here, to learn.

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    Originally Posted by Scrawler View Post
    Yes I could see my abs, don’t understand the issue. I was playing college ball at that time, then semi-pro, and then Arena football before my knee could no longer take the pounding. No point in BS, just trying to get healthy, it was my understanding that 25% bf was obese so ya? Just wanted some tips, maybe a routine modification but without splits, I only do full body workouts. After the comments yesterday I went and got a second opinion on BF and it was 27.68 %. Not much of a difference, Nutritionist did the calipers with skin fold and my doctor took body measurements. So then I went online to a few BMI sites that used measurements and they were in all in that range.
    if you are 6'5 406 lbs. you are obese. i dont care what the hell you say. you are fat.

    skin calipers arent that accurate and someone of your weight shouldnt be even worried about calipers. i know you are obese and i dont need pictures to know it
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