I read an article which had a sample routine in which described working out on monday/wednesday/friday and doing chest/back, shoulders/biceps/triceps then legs. I did the chest/back workout today and it consisted of Bench Press, Incline Dumbell Press, Dumbell Flyes, Deadlifts, Pull-Ups and Barbell rows. Afterwards i worked abs for 5 minutes. The workout lasted about 1 hour and i was pretty exhausted. I thought it may have been due to doing deadlift and bench press on the same day, is this a problem, should i be physically exhausted after a workout, might add that the exhaustion only lasted about 5 minutes.
And in regards to the pull-up question, since i workout at home i only have a standard pull-up bar in my doorway. I tried doing 3 sets of 8 reps but only managed to do 8/6/4, which may have been due to doing deadlifts before. Is there a way you can make pull-ups easier on a standard door bar.
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12-05-2011, 03:56 AM #1
Back and chest on same day and pull-up question.
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12-05-2011, 07:14 AM #2
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12-05-2011, 12:43 PM #3
This. You can also add an elastic for assistance by slinging it around the bar and putting it through your knee, although at 8/6/4, I'd say you are pretty close to getting 3x8. I think your best bet is to do as many reps as you can up to your target, and if you are shy by X reps, do X amount of negatives - jump or give a little hop for momentum while pulling your bodyweight up, and then do a slow, controlled negative to full extension. I like to aim for 6 seconds total, maybe a different number works for you though. Your sets would look like 8/6+2/4+4, where the +2 and +4 in 2nd and 3rd sets are Negative reps, hitting your target.
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12-05-2011, 01:02 PM #4
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12-05-2011, 01:12 PM #5
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If you're not physically and mentally exhausted at the end of the workout it probably means that you didn't do enough... and on a chest/back day where you're using the two largest upper-body muscle groups, you should honestly be taking longer than 5 min. to feel rested again. A lot of the exhaustion comes from the depletion of glucose from your muscles (and yes, your brain as well) and it takes time for them to replenish.
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12-05-2011, 01:20 PM #6
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Although there is the general rule of doing the exercises which you use the most weight with first, (eg bench press before incline bench press, pull ups before curls etc), maybe you should consider doing deadlifts after pull ups and barbell rows. Its a pretty exhausting exercise that can leave you pretty fatigued for other later exercises and if you do them after pull ups and barbell rows, it can become more of a lats and traps exercise due to them being previously worked in the other exercises. Just a thought. Of course if you're going for strength, (ie strong squat, bench and deadlift), then you'd want to do them first but considering that you're doing a split where you work each muscle once a week I doubt this is the case.
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12-05-2011, 04:50 PM #7
As stated above you should definitely be resting more, working two of the largest muscle groups in the same workout. But I have experienced what you are talking about as far as my deadlifts and rows affecting pull ups. And to me the biggest issue was failing grip. So to me you should either: rest more. Or use straps. Which isn't a sin to me. Ronnie uses them
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12-05-2011, 07:07 PM #8
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Relax, do what feels right for your body, as long as it is consistent and you keep track of what you are doing. I've done solid routines where I was supersetting Back/Chest exercises Dumbbell press/one arm dumbbell row, Incline press/bent over row, dumbbell fly/rear delt fly, push-up/inverted row and could knock out 4X10 in 50-60 minutes. If your body can handle the volume, good, if not, back it off a bit. If you stall out, take a break, change it up.
BTW, my post work out "haze" could last up to 30 minutes.
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