Deadlift Vs Bent over Barbell row

[Droner]

Hello all!!


I am thinking about this.

If you are doing chins and deads, should you do bb rows for complete back development. Or should you beat yourself up just with deads.

My split that I am thinking about doing is:


squat/bench superset for 5 sets

deadlift/bench superset for 5 sets

bbrow 3 sets
chin 3 sets


chest = 10 total sets
back = 11 total sets
legs = 5 full sets + 5 (deadlift 3/4s) + 3 statics (bb row)


Maybe I should do more deads/squats and no bb rows.
After all, deads hit pretty musch the same muscles as bb rows.
And I have chins to hit my lats.

What do you think?

reply please!!!

[TarvMan]

ditch the ****y superset crap, that is better suited toward antagonist muscle groups example....(bi,tri)

Are you training for strength or for mass?

[amusclehead]

you're mistaken to think that deadlifts are better than bent-over rows for lats. granted, they're good, but i wouldn't drop heavy lat work for deadlifts


edit: and before somebody like henry comes in here (hehe) i'm not saying i don't think deadlifts hit the back, i'm saying i think bent-over bb rows will do a better job for lats; leave deadlift on leg day

[Kane Fan]

I wouldn't say put Deads on Leg day
deads and squats on the same day?
seems like a mistake to me

ok if your doing chins (weighted) and deads
you CAN skip rows
but that dosn't mean you should
and I woudn't do JUST deads for lats
but deads and chins are fine
tho I'd prefer deads and rows

[Droner]

Originally posted by TarvMan
ditch the ****y superset crap, that is better suited toward antagonist muscle groups example....(bi,tri)

Are you training for strength or for mass?

MASS 1st
Strength 2nd.

That kind of a split would surely raise your test levels provided you dont go too long.

[TheeApprentice]

You cannot train for mass and not expect to get stronger, With mass comes strength. Vice versa

[Droner]

Originally posted by TheeApprentice
You cannot train for mass and not expect to get stronger, With mass comes strength. Vice versa

What I meant is that I want to gain the most mass rather than strength.

You can put either mass or strength in front.


I did not say that I want just mass. No. I want strength, but as long as it gives me the max hypertrophy.


You can train for strength and no mass gain, or lots of mass but being weak , or mass-strength as I would like to do.

[Kane Fan]

Originally posted by TheeApprentice
You cannot train for mass and not expect to get stronger, With mass comes strength. Vice versa

you can gain mass and strength in disproprtionate levels

[RippedGuitarist]

Why not do both?

I do both Deads and Rows, and I would absolutely hate to give up either one of them.

Deads hits the entire back but concentrate on the lower mainly, and Rows hit mainly middle to upper.

[devl]

Originally posted by amusclehead
you're mistaken to think that deadlifts are better than bent-over rows for lats. granted, they're good, but i wouldn't drop heavy lat work for deadlifts


edit: and before somebody like henry comes in here (hehe) i'm not saying i don't think deadlifts hit the back, i'm saying i think bent-over bb rows will do a better job for lats; leave deadlift on leg day

Hmm, this got me thinking. I've always felt regular deads more in my legs, but stiff deads more in my back. Would you suggest doing stiff deads on back day and regular deads on leg day (say switching off between deads and squats each week)?

[Hellslayer]

Why do u have those foolish supersets?? Bench and Squat?? Where does that lead too?? Drop those

[amusclehead]

Originally posted by Hellslayer
Why do u have those foolish supersets?? Bench and Squat?? Where does that lead too?? Drop those

haha, werd.

[Kane Fan]

I think he was asking if he needed all 3 not both
I think he planed on doing deads and rows and wondered if chins were needed
I may be wrong

[EmbreeD]

ya get rid of the superset nonsense

[Antz1980]

ya get rid of the superset nonsense

this

[sweathog]

brb am I in a timemachine?

[SwiftyX]

Rows are very important for shoulder health and overall balance. Just doing chins/pulldowns can potentially increase imbalance issues.

[jason1903]

ya get rid of the superset nonsense

What in the world did you search for to find this old thread?

[JoeyCapo]

Hello all!!


I am thinking about this.

If you are doing chins and deads, should you do bb rows for complete back development. Or should you beat yourself up just with deads.

My split that I am thinking about doing is:


squat/bench superset for 5 sets

deadlift/bench superset for 5 sets

bbrow 3 sets
chin 3 sets


chest = 10 total sets
back = 11 total sets
legs = 5 full sets + 5 (deadlift 3/4s) + 3 statics (bb row)


Maybe I should do more deads/squats and no bb rows.
After all, deads hit pretty musch the same muscles as bb rows.
And I have chins to hit my lats.

What do you think?

reply please!!!

is this sets per week for these bodyparts cus youre way off, i do 16-20 sets for back alone, 4 sets deadlifts, 4 sets barbell rows, 4 sets close grip pulldowns, 4 sets wide grip reversegrip pulldowns and 4 sets of seated rows, do deadlifts on back day not leg day

[916stang]

nothing wrong with doing both.

[H1t_V3r4c]

both are completely different exercises which will benefit greatly if you incorporate them both into a well thought routine.

[boathead]

is this a record? 7+ years later, revived.

[nick.v]

I'm more surprised at the number of people who replied to the OP even after someone mentioned the date.

[SchrutedIt]

Why do u have those foolish supersets?? Bench and Squat?? Where does that lead too?? Drop those

no hate, just wondering if you've ever tried it for any length of time?

edit: oh, oops. delorean at 88mph anyone?

[colonna]

I am in still in the knowledge gaining phase when it comes to technicalities but i wld have to say if i wanan grow wide i count on wide grip pull ups or lat pull downs?? If u still have to pick one of the two u mentioned then why not pick up rows...as u say it covers eveything? Ummmmm i kinda have weak grip too so i practice on plate holding exercises to improve em? Or just using straps works for me to pull that weight up on them deads and rows.......but if ur grip is still weak after using straps as u say......i am sure someone wld come up with a better answer than mine.....hope it helps bro.......

[Tyciol]

is this a record? 7+ years later, revived.

I've necro's older threads than that.

[Farkzilla]

10 years later bump

[ironwill2008]

10 years later bump

I see red in your future.

[Farkzilla]

I see red in your future.

lol.

[Chatotixxx]

U can drop the barbell rows if you want but of i were you i wouldn't... If you want a good back workout first u need to understand the anatomy of the back and then pick exercises that hit every part and from different angles. I would keep the three of them: Deadlifts pull ups and barbell rows and rotate every workout between barbell rows and dumbbell rows or even cable rows if you want. The order doesn't matter as long as you do then with intensity. If your priority is deadlift then do it first, if not them do the others exercises first since the deadlifts are very taxing and exhausting.