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    Craze - is it even safe?

    Is craze even safe to use? Are there safety studies on DENDROBEX? The fact that it was used in chinese tea means nothing to me, are there or are there not safety studies?

    I have been using it repeatedly and my goodness, it DESTROYS my vision. I tried reading a book today, (48 hours after my last craze dose) and my vision is still blurry. I don't think this product is safe at all and I think it is very irresponsible to hype it up so much.

    I am sure this will be deleted, as every post or negative review of craze has been deleted. You have all been deceived by hype. With no pun intended to craze and its effects:

    "In the land of the BLIND, the one-eyed man is king."

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    are you saying you have one eye OP?
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    Sounds like the consensus is that "it just works" other than some "isolated incidents".
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    Did you get a headache accompanied with or after the vision blur? Could be a migraine aura. Happens to me rarely.
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    Originally Posted by DASBUNKER View Post
    are you saying you have one eye OP?
    yeah

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    Sounds like the consensus is that "it just works" other than some "isolated incidents".
    that is the consensus because every negative review is deleted. the reality is that an unprecedentedly high amount of users are reporting seriousssss side effects

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    Originally Posted by CatFunt View Post
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    I use this site for a lot of things, mostly lifting routines and stuff. I came to this section to find a good protein and sure enough, myofusion was good. Then I saw all these threads abouut craze so I bought some...worst decision I've made in recent memory

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    Originally Posted by Marinait View Post
    yeah



    that is the consensus because every negative review is deleted. the reality is that an unprecedentedly high amount of users are reporting seriousssss side effects
    maybe its because the lack of credibility?
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    Originally Posted by Marinait View Post
    I use this site for a lot of things, mostly lifting routines and stuff. I came to this section to find a good protein and sure enough, myofusion was good. Then I saw all these threads abouut craze so I bought some...worst decision I've made in recent memory
    Sell it to me. I'll use it up

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    maybe its because the lack of credibility?
    what about the lack of safety studies? the formula is rich with poorly researched ingredients, convulsants, and neurochemical disruptors

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    Originally Posted by Marinait View Post
    what about the lack of safety studies? the formula is rich with poorly researched ingredients, convulsants, and neurochemical disruptors
    do you even lift?
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    Im sick of people negging because someone doesnt like craze, or is asking questions about its profile or safety.

    It doesnt matter if he created an account just to write this. His questions are still valid questions to ask.

    Why is it not possible to normally discuss Craze without always hearing two standard replies "many people use it and most love it" or "try it and you'll know"?

    I dont care how many of you had good responses to craze. I know a few people myself who liked it, and I know atleast 3 who had similar experiences to me. The fact that I had a negative response to it doesnt really matter

    This product is different from the other pre workouts, and it would be interesting to discuss it in an adult manner.
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    Originally Posted by justfive View Post
    Im sick of people negging because someone doesnt like craze, or is asking questions about its profile or safety.

    It doesnt matter if he created an account just to write this. His questions are still valid questions to ask.

    Why is it not possible to normally discuss Craze without always hearing two standard replies "many people use it and most love it" or "try it and you'll know"?

    I dont care how many of you had good responses to craze. I know a few people myself who liked it, and I know atleast 3 who had similar experiences to me. The fact that I had a negative response to it doesnt really matter

    This product is different from the other pre workouts, and it would be interesting to discuss it in an adult manner.
    Ive seen you around and you're a good poster but I feel you are missing something here.

    Nobody is saying people cannot question it or indeed a valid discussion cannot be had for it.

    Im simply pointing out that creating an account specifically to spew bile about a product doesnt instill me with the confidence I am going to get such a discussion with the person in question.

    The sad and somewhat apparent fact is 99% of the bad words said against craze come from first time posters, low post accounts or troll type accounts. I have seen a few from more established posters and read their concerns with great interest.
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    Originally Posted by justfive View Post
    Im sick of people negging because someone doesnt like craze, or is asking questions about its profile or safety.

    It doesnt matter if he created an account just to write this. His questions are still valid questions to ask.

    Why is it not possible to normally discuss Craze without always hearing two standard replies "many people use it and most love it" or "try it and you'll know"?

    I dont care how many of you had good responses to craze. I know a few people myself who liked it, and I know atleast 3 who had similar experiences to me. The fact that I had a negative response to it doesnt really matter

    This product is different from the other pre workouts, and it would be interesting to discuss it in an adult manner.
    i agree but there are other more civilized ways to approach this.. and OP and others who have complained just dont do it... way too much fear mongering... might be because they feel pushed to the side and noone belives them, but still if it was discussed in a more mature way perhaps we would have better responses...
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    The effects that some users experience on sympathomimetics have on vision are acute. Try a lower dose, with all supplements and medications a like, side effects and adverse events are to be expected. As the user population increases the likelihood of these events increases. You have no need to be alarmed.

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    What might those be?
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    Originally Posted by DASBUNKER View Post
    i agree but there are other more civilized ways to approach this.. and OP and others who have complained just dont do it... way too much fear mongering... might be because they feel pushed to the side and noone belives them, but still if it was discussed in a more mature way perhaps we would have better responses...
    it was full of accusations and slightly hostile, I admit. But nothing ever gets discussed. Instead of focusing on his opinion, focus on what he is questioning.

    Hype to me doesnt mean that everyone says a product works when it doesnt. Hype to me is a product which can not be questioned in any way, even if in reality it is the best pre workout ever created.
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    Originally Posted by Synapsin View Post
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    Originally Posted by CatFunt View Post
    Ive seen you around and you're a good poster but I feel you are missing something here.

    Nobody is saying people cannot question it or indeed a valid discussion cannot be had for it.

    Im simply pointing out that creating an account specifically to spew bile about a product doesnt instill me with the confidence I am going to get such a discussion with the person in question.

    The sad and somewhat apparent fact is 99% of the bad words said against craze come from first time posters, low post accounts or troll type accounts. I have seen a few from more established posters and read their concerns with great interest.
    I think that you actually missed my point. It wasnt necessarily directed at what you wrote, but just at my experience with all of the threads in the past few weeks.

    Instead of addressing the issue at hand, people focus on who the poster is or other things which are not relevant to actually furthering our understanding of this product. No matter who he is, a question is a question.

    Something is wrong with the people who can not provide any constructive information about this product yet recommend it to other people, not those who question it.
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    Yeah, let's take new innovative supplements that possibly effect our nervous system without questioning their safety. I agree with OP. Although I think DS is a fairly reputable company, Craze contains a few unknown ingredients that I have failed to see studies on (which I admit could be due to my lack of Google skills). I think Craze will be followed by a wave of similar products and these ingredients need to be tested especially with commonly taken prescriptions i.e Adderall

    I don't think he was bashing DS at all he was just stating his experience and asked if anyone else can empathize.

    Remember, Ay El Are Eye and AX were both reputable companies at one point.

    This is also DS's opportunity to shine as a supplement company and admit that Craze may not be for everyone instead of pimping it to every newb asking for an "intense" preworkout like almost every other company rep on these boards

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    Originally Posted by justfive View Post
    Im sick of people negging because someone doesnt like craze, or is asking questions about its profile or safety.

    It doesnt matter if he created an account just to write this. His questions are still valid questions to ask.

    Why is it not possible to normally discuss Craze without always hearing two standard replies "many people use it and most love it" or "try it and you'll know"?

    I dont care how many of you had good responses to craze. I know a few people myself who liked it, and I know atleast 3 who had similar experiences to me. The fact that I had a negative response to it doesnt really matter

    This product is different from the other pre workouts, and it would be interesting to discuss it in an adult manner.
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    Originally Posted by justfive View Post
    I think that you actually missed my point. It wasnt necessarily directed at what you wrote, but just at my experience with all of the threads in the past few weeks.

    Instead of addressing the issue at hand, people focus on who the poster is or other things which are not relevant to actually furthering our understanding of this product. No matter who he is, a question is a question.

    Something is wrong with the people who can not provide any constructive information about this product yet recommend it to other people, not those who question it.
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    Came into thread to see studies....
    Left because I couldn't even see thread due to CRAZE

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