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    What is the limit on testosterone levels in the UFC?

    We all know Nate Marquardt and Chael Sonnen got busted for high levels. I just had my testosterone tested and it came back 458 ng/dl. Kinda low IMO. I feel sluggish as hell with low sex drive (serious). Sonnen's levels were 3400 I read. Could someone with low test take testosterone replacement therapy and still compete in MMA if the levels weren't over the limit? What exactly is the limit?

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    Well you still didn't tell me the limit on the levels. Is there a limit? Or do they just look and see 1500 ng/dl and assume PEDS!?

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    Originally Posted by itsRyan View Post
    We all know Nate Marquardt and Chael Sonnen got busted for high levels. I just had my testosterone tested and it came back 458 ng/dl. Kinda low IMO. I feel sluggish as hell with low sex drive (serious). Sonnen's levels were 3400 I read. Could someone with low test take testosterone replacement therapy and still compete in MMA if the levels weren't over the limit? What exactly is the limit?
    I dunno what the mma regulations are, but I'm on HRT (I'm 39 years old) and they keep my levels between 600 and 1,200. I take a 200mg (1cc of test enanthate) injection every 8 days.

    I didn't follow the Sonnen drug test story, so I don't know the specifics, but a level of 3,400 is WAY above the "normal" range for non-PED using people, young or old. My understanding is that the range for twenty something, healthy, drug free athletes is 400 to 1,000.

    Your feelings of sluggishness and low libido could also come from overtraining, from a diet that's too low in carbs and/or from situational depression. Once you start using (meaning, running more than a cycle or two) you'll probably have to pick between using for the rest of your life or having your "natural" test level be lower than ever. The more you use and the longer you use the more your body will depend on getting the test from an outside source (lower natural production.)
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    Originally Posted by Sean Katterle View Post
    I dunno what the mma regulations are, but I'm on HRT (I'm 39 years old) and they keep my levels between 600 and 1,200. I take a 200mg (1cc of test enanthate) injection every 8 days.

    I didn't follow the Sonnen drug test story, so I don't know the specifics, but a level of 3,400 is WAY above the "normal" range for non-PED using people, young or old. My understanding is that the range for twenty something, healthy, drug free athletes is 400 to 1,000.

    Your feelings of sluggishness and low libido could also come from overtraining, from a diet that's too low in carbs and/or from situational depression. Once you start using (meaning, running more than a cycle or two) you'll probably have to pick between using for the rest of your life or having your "natural" test level be lower than ever. The more you use and the longer you use the more your body will depend on getting the test from an outside source (lower natural production.)
    According to this chart, 400 ng/dl is not normal at all for a 26 year old man. It's normal for a 75-84 year old man.http://www.mens-hormonal-health.com/...ls-in-men.html

    But my Dr says I'm within normal levels. I sure don't feel like it. I have literally no sex drive or energy for workouts. I get tired about 10 mins into my lift. It's not over training. I can't get the energy to train. This never used to happen a few years ago. I wanted to compete in MMA but there is no way I have the energy or testosterone levels to compete.

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    Originally Posted by itsRyan View Post
    According to this chart, 400 ng/dl is not normal at all for a 26 year old man. It's normal for a 75-84 year old man.http://www.mens-hormonal-health.com/...ls-in-men.html

    But my Dr says I'm within normal levels. I sure don't feel like it. I have literally no sex drive or energy for workouts. I get tired about 10 mins into my lift. It's not over training. I can't get the energy to train. This never used to happen a few years ago. I wanted to compete in MMA but there is no way I have the energy or testosterone levels to compete.
    The normal range is very wide at least in the medical literature... YOu can also range a lot depending on sleep etc.

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    feels bad man, doc says its ok but this was on a good week.

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    Any higher than this and you will piss hot, test levels so high it impairs rational thought.

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    Originally Posted by DFS200 View Post


    Any higher than this and you will piss hot, test levels so high it impairs rational thought.
    goddamnit, you beat me to it, my response was gonna be the following:



    no more than over 9000!

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    Wow WRX you're in the 300s and the Doc won't do anything about it and says you're fine. That's messed up. I think we basically have to tell our Dr something must be done or we will have to take actions on our own.

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    Originally Posted by WRXbrah View Post
    feels bad man, doc says its ok but this was on a good week.

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    Originally Posted by Workout4ever View Post
    goddamnit, you beat me to it, my response was gonna be the following:



    no more than over 9000!
    lulz. thats roid rage!

    for you guys with low test and dumb drs... get smart and go see an 'anti aging' clinic... they hand out test scripts like candy.
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    Originally Posted by jamez123 View Post
    lulz. thats roid rage!

    for you guys with low test and dumb drs... get smart and go see an 'anti aging' clinic... they hand out test scripts like candy.
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    Originally Posted by jamez123 View Post
    lulz. thats roid rage!

    for you guys with low test and dumb drs... get smart and go see an 'anti aging' clinic... they hand out test scripts like candy.
    how would I go about going to an anti aging Dr? I would have to get a referral from my own Dr probably and I'm "normal" according to him, even with test of an 85 yr old.

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    Originally Posted by itsRyan View Post
    how would I go about going to an anti aging Dr? I would have to get a referral from my own Dr probably and I'm "normal" according to him, even with test of an 85 yr old.
    Just watch the TRT part of "Bigger, Faster, Stronger", that will pretty much tell you everything you need to know.

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    Originally Posted by itsRyan View Post
    how would I go about going to an anti aging Dr? I would have to get a referral from my own Dr probably and I'm "normal" according to him, even with test of an 85 yr old.
    you call them, make an appointment.... just like you go about seeing anyone? lol.
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    Wow WRX you're in the 300s and the Doc won't do anything about it and says you're fine. That's messed up. I think we basically have to tell our Dr something must be done or we will have to take actions on our own.
    Thats because your results aren't anything out of the ordinary, they're well within the normal range, just in the lower half.

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    Testosterone is suppressed through constant heavy training, try taking two weeks off and retest, if it is higher then, you have your answer.

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    Originally Posted by itsRyan View Post
    Wow WRX you're in the 300s and the Doc won't do anything about it and says you're fine. That's messed up. I think we basically have to tell our Dr something must be done or we will have to take actions on our own.
    How is it messed up that a doctor is actually not giving you something??

    It is messed up when doctors overmedicate their patients, not when they tell you to relax and go home.
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    Originally Posted by ZenBowman View Post
    Age 26 and considering TRT, not sure if SRS.
    age is only a single factor of many, for TRT usage...
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    Not aware of testosterone levels. I'm assuming I can go to a general doctor and get a test? Now i'm curious as fuk.
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    Originally Posted by itsRyan View Post
    According to this chart, 400 ng/dl is not normal at all for a 26 year old man. It's normal for a 75-84 year old man.http://www.mens-hormonal-health.com/...ls-in-men.html

    But my Dr says I'm within normal levels. I sure don't feel like it. I have literally no sex drive or energy for workouts. I get tired about 10 mins into my lift. It's not over training. I can't get the energy to train. This never used to happen a few years ago. I wanted to compete in MMA but there is no way I have the energy or testosterone levels to compete.
    You said you were 458? That's not HRT low from what I've been told and read. That's just the lower end of average (and who wants to be that, right?)

    And a 458 test level wouldn't cause you to have "Literally no sex drive or energy for workouts." There's tens of thousands of men out there who are in the 400s and who have sex and exercise. And your hormone situation is a lot more complicated than just a number score from one of many blood tests.
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    I think the TS might be suffering from depression and stress? Those things can cause you to have low libido and test levels. I wouldn't try to get TRT at all, just because you will be reliant on it and once off the stuff you will really hit the lows man. If you stop having morning wood does that mean your test is low?

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    Originally Posted by ZenBowman View Post
    How is it messed up that a doctor is actually not giving you something??

    It is messed up when doctors overmedicate their patients, not when they tell you to relax and go home.
    Well its Kaiser for one and its real hard to get anything decent from them. Mind you thats on a good week and when I worked out consistently for 2 years, my gains were piss poor. Strength and mood are pretty low for someone thats been lifting 5 yearsish. Im sure I could alter my results to show them on the low side but its still pretty sad that they consider someone with test levels around 250ish normal. Especially someone in their 20s and 30s.

    I could definitely benefit from Sonnen or Hendo levels.
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    Originally Posted by jamez123 View Post
    lulz. thats roid rage!

    for you guys with low test and dumb drs... get smart and go see an 'anti aging' clinic... they hand out test scripts like candy.
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    Originally Posted by ftwrestler View Post
    for 1.3k a month
    lol. you must have a lot of ballers in cincinnati because you could drop that 1 and make that .3 last months in other places
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    Originally Posted by jamez123 View Post
    lol. you must have a lot of ballers in cincinnati because you could drop that 1 and make that .3 last months in other places
    srs?

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    Originally Posted by ftwrestler View Post
    srs?

    brb making some calls
    clear your pms
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    Originally Posted by jamez123 View Post
    clear your pms
    done
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