I also agree that there is NO jumping in weightlifting.
The e-coaches that have helped me, along with some of the best WL coaches in the US confirm that there is no jumping. The head coach at OTC, Coach Zygmunt aka "Ziggy" (who was a Polish gold medalist in 1972 Olympics) even said so himself "there is no jumping."
Jumping is a bad cue. STAND UP HARD is a pretty good cue to get the lifter to properly extend.
When you jump, as in athletic jump like playing basketball, the shoulders will be forward of the bar and when the lifter finally "jumps" the hips will end up 'banging' the bar sending it forward instead of 'slicing' it upward, and the lifter will either miss the catch because the bar got away from him, or the lifter will jump forward to catch the bar, which is very inefficient and incorrect.
Don't jump; STAND UP HARD!!
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08-30-2013, 01:18 PM #121This above all..
To thine ownself be true..
And it must follow, as the night the day..
Thou can'st not then be false to any man..
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Uhhhh, spam? Hookgrip is a well known weightlifting photographer and tons of athletes have been featured/follow/use the page for reference. I'm not spamming anything. I understand having a policy of not spamming but accusing me of doing it for using a point of reference is just stupid. I just assumed that most Olympic style lifters know the page - feel free to Google it and see hundreds of pictures of world class athletes, including Klokov. That you assume I don't know who he is is puzzling to me.
I don't see how your feet can leave the ground without a jump occuring. It's simply a different way of teaching the movement. If your feet are off the floor, you have jumped, whether or not you trained it that way. I understand the idea that the force of your hip drive would pull you off the floor rather than intentionally jumping but...it's still a jump.
I also don't see how the cue to jump would cause you to throw your hips into the bar. I was trained to jump and not only do I not throw my hips into the bar, I don't have a forward jump on my clean, and my arms are over the bar as far as I know.
I'm not claiming to be an expert, I have only been training Olympic style lifts for a little over a year, I'm just interested in the real logic behind teaching one cue over another.
Here is what my clean looks like, feel free to tear it apart by all means.
youtube com/watch?v=HcDHNhZN0XA
This is what my clean pull looks like, my feet don't leave the floor on the pull itself, the jump happens when preparing to catch the weight.
youtube com/watch?v=HcDHNhZN0XA
You'll have to fix the dot com obviously, my post count is low.
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09-23-2013, 01:49 AM #129
Fantastic article, valuable information!
Thanks for posting a great tutorial. This is the best one I've seen because of your straight forwardness and simplicity in describing form and technique.
I started power cleaning 6 years ago with really crappy form (think of an explosive reverse curl... Yikes). I gradually cleaned up my technique by watching training vids of oly lifters. I just learned proper triple extension 2 years ago, and my technique is still nowhere near perfect. Then there's conflicting information because of the recent popularity of oly lifts (I think the crossfit explosion had a lot to do with this). I was actually confused when I watched Rippetoe teach the power clean and thought I had to deprogram myself and relearn it. Ultimately, I stopped doing the lift for a year because the gym I was at changed their policy to not allow PCs and other oly lifts.
I recently built up my garage gym complete with a proper oly bar and a set of bumpers and now incorporating power cleans with a vengeance. I've picked up a bunch of useful tips here regarding technique, frequency and workout programming. Keep up the good work man, I'll be keeping a close eye on this thread
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11-11-2013, 09:38 AM #130
I think this article deserves a bump so more people can benefit from reading it.
I just had a lesson with a Strength & Conditioning Coach at my gym. Having only tried Power Cleans twice before with 66lbs & bad form, he had me doing fractionally under my own bodyweight within 15 minutes!
Everything I've read here correlates with what I was taught.
A couple of comments I'd make - I found the starting position was very important to keeping good form & also the trickiest part was learning the transition between the first & second pull.
What really helped me was to initially add a brief pause between the first & second pull just as the bar cleared my knees. This enabled me to learn a cue for transitioning into the second pull, which I am now able to focus on speeding up.
I must say I am very impressed by this article as it is more complete than the chapter in Starting Strength by Mark Ripptetoe.
Thanks!Last edited by rossmcd87; 11-11-2013 at 10:04 AM.
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03-07-2014, 09:30 AM #134
Same reason they let the others guys do the "hip" style (bent arms/pulling with the arms into the hip -- like Hisaka and Blackwell). But if it works, it works. You see guys at the Olympics with a jump and you see guys that barely lift their heals off the floor.
My issue with saying "jump" is that most people do just that. It's like saying the clean is a deadlift with a jump and a shrug. In some ways this is correct, but when you say that people tend to do that exactly, which isn't correct. The pull from the floor to the hip is different (Staying over the weight/leverage), you don't just jump up (extend the hips) or do a shrug (sometimes this is taught, but the cue should be to shrug to pull UNDER the bar, not to pull the bar higher).
EDIT: Sometimes certain style fit certain lifters better. The basic mechanics will generally all be the same, which slight variations in torso angles, pulling styles and how far the lifter comes off the floor.@thighsofsteel_chs
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