**Official Chicago Bears Thread part II**

[PaC-mAn8]

Cutler signs 7 year deal along with Slauson and Jennings each getting 4 year deals.

I am pleased. Cutlers deal has him at 18mil/year for the first 3 years.

Now they just need to sign Garza/McCown and draft a speedy WR and they are set on offense.

[LanceStone]

Cutler and Co. Headed to Miami

Cutler said that he is heading to Miami to work with BM, Jeffery, Wilson, M Bennet, and Forte!

[southernwinds34]

Woot Woot!!!

[Ejjw18]

I'll hopefully be all happy come end of December, and into January next year.

Cutler still hasn't shown me anything to be excited about. Hope he can get it done. If not, in a few years Trestman, and Emery will probably be gone also.

I'm telling you, IF Cutler can stay healthy the offense is set. Combine that with a top 10-15 defense and you have a very strong team.

[Briisk]

The only reason why I am content with the resigning of cutler for this long is the fact that Marshall, Jefferey and Bennett are all monsters that work and will continue to get better with cutler.

[sebby2219]

im ok with them resigning Cutler. i still remember the qb carrousel we use to have and ****ing rex grossman! give the offense another season with these weapons and we will be bakinggggg.

we need to cut peppers to free up some cap space. sign a quality safety and a pass rusher. briggs/williams/bostic arent terrible for LBs aslong as we get a pass rush going and sure up a DT to stop the run.

i actually trust Phil Emery right now and the direction hes taking the bears. look at what hes done already in the short amount of time hes been here. before him we wasted endless draft picks and nothing changed

[SuperHippo]

Im glad they paid Cutler, better him than wasting it on peppers

[Parlor_Mob]

Cutler signs 7 year deal along with Slauson and Jennings each getting 4 year deals.

I am pleased. Cutlers deal has him at 18mil/year for the first 3 years.

Now they just need to sign Garza/McCown and draft a speedy WR and they are set on offense.

I was upset that they signed him for that long but I guess it's not too bad with the way the contract is structured.

[illchi11]

If the D gets fixed and can improve (they were last against the run) there is no reason why the Bears can't go 10-6 next year. The O line is finally fixed and Jay has tons of weapons all over the field. Chicago can continue to compete for the division for years to come.

[cheerupemokid]

Cutler signs 7 year deal along with Slauson and Jennings each getting 4 year deals.

I am pleased. Cutlers deal has him at 18mil/year for the first 3 years.

Now they just need to sign Garza/McCown and draft a speedy WR and they are set on offense.

Why a speedy WR? If there were any skill positions the Bears needed to add to I would say that it would be RB. If Forte got hurt, I'm not sure how the offense would have fared with Bush getting the bulk of the carries.

Cutler and Co. Headed to Miami

Cutler said that he is heading to Miami to work with BM, Jeffery, Wilson, M Bennet, and Forte!

With respect to the Bears, this is the best news of the day, imo.

[PaC-mAn8]

Why a speedy WR? If there were any skill positions the Bears needed to add to I would say that it would be RB. If Forte got hurt, I'm not sure how the offense would have fared with Bush getting the bulk of the carries.



With respect to the Bears, this is the best news of the day, imo.

I feel like a speedy WR would really stretch defenses. We have size, strength, hops...but if we can get someone to blow the tops off defenses, it could create a nightmare. Something like a Tavon Austin......just imagine the results.

[cubsfan2154]

I think we should worry about the defense before drafting another WR

[LanceStone]

I feel like a speedy WR would really stretch defenses. We have size, strength, hops...but if we can get someone to blow the tops off defenses, it could create a nightmare. Something like a Tavon Austin......just imagine the results.

Nothing on offense needs to be added too during the off season. The only thing that will happen is Earl will be replaced with Wilson, and our shortest receiver will now be 6'3.


Say hello to our new offense


Marsh 6'4
Geoffries 6'3
Wilson 6'3
Bennett 6'6

[illchi11]

With an average D the Bears would have been 10-6 again this year. It's remarkable they were .500 really....considering the run D was worst in the NFL.

[PaC-mAn8]

Suck it Packers....suck it long & hard.

[illchi11]

I can't wait for next season! The Bears will be playing the Vikings, Packers, Lions, Saints, Buccaneers, Cowboys, Bills and Dolphins at home. The road games are against the Vikings, Packers, Lions, Falcons, Panthers, 49ers, Patriots and Jets. (source: fansided.com) I usually get to go to 2 home games per season. What 2 home games would be your first picks?

[LanceStone]

I can't wait for next season! The Bears will be playing the Vikings, Packers, Lions, Saints, Buccaneers, Cowboys, Bills and Dolphins at home. The road games are against the Vikings, Packers, Lions, Falcons, Panthers, 49ers, Patriots and Jets. (source: fansided.com) I usually get to go to 2 home games per season. What 2 home games would be your first picks?

Packers/Saints or Packers/Cowboys

[illchi11]

Packers/Saints or Packers/Cowboys

Yep Packers and Cowboys is what I'm thinking, I've never seen either one of those in person.

[gsxtreme1987]

Chris Conte speaks. Harsh few comments at the end of article.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...7940938.column

Conte can go phuck his kunt that *******.

[bpatel82]

Chris Conte speaks. Harsh few comments at the end of article.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...7940938.column

He's right. As bad as he played, he was not the only person to blame for the loss.

[orderoutofchaos]

jay cutler has the talent to go 16-0 every year no problem but hes just not in the zone. Hes rarely in the zone. He needs to do some mind altering drugs this offseason and focus on reintroducing the zone in his life. All super bowl winners have tapped into the zone. You can only win a sb if you hit the zone. A guy like Philip Rivers is currently tapped into the zone....If cutler spent a whole year in the zone the bears might go 16-0 but until then it will be the same old story

[bpatel82]

jay cutler has the talent to go 16-0 every year no problem but hes just not in the zone. Hes rarely in the zone. He needs to do some mind altering drugs this offseason and focus on reintroducing the zone in his life. All super bowl winners have tapped into the zone. You can only win a sb if you hit the zone. A guy like Philip Rivers is currently tapped into the zone....If cutler spent a whole year in the zone the bears might go 16-0 but until then it will be the same old story

mind = blown

[Iesous23]

I'm telling you, IF Cutler can stay healthy the offense is set. Combine that with a top 10-15 defense and you have a very strong team.

I agree brah. I am happy with Cutler staying, his health is paramount though. If he stays on the field all season, we can win things. We need to work on our defense for 2014 though.

[LanceStone]

Adam Jahns ********@adamjahns 6m
#Bears cap hits for 2014 per source: Cutler 22.5 mill, Jennings 5.25, Slauson 2,747,500, Gould 2.6 and Fiammetta $730,000.

2014 Cap: 126,300,000

2014 Commitments on Books: 80,313,001

2014 Commitments New: 33,827,000

2014 Remaining Cap Room: 12,159,999

Possible Cuts: 16,241,332

Julius Peppers 18,183,000-8,366,668=9,816,332
Michael Bush 3,850,000-2,000,000=1,850,000
Adam Podlesh 1,825,000-800,000=1,025,000
Eric Weems 1,600,000-500,000=1,100,000
Earl Bennett 2,450,000-0=2,450,000

Total Possible Cap Room: 28,401,331

[cheerupemokid]

Adam Jahns ********@adamjahns 6m
#Bears cap hits for 2014 per source: Cutler 22.5 mill, Jennings 5.25, Slauson 2,747,500, Gould 2.6 and Fiammetta $730,000.

2014 Cap: 126,300,000

2014 Commitments on Books: 80,313,001

2014 Commitments New: 33,827,000

2014 Remaining Cap Room: 12,159,999

Possible Cuts: 16,241,332

Julius Peppers 18,183,000-8,366,668=9,816,332
Michael Bush 3,850,000-2,000,000=1,850,000
Adam Podlesh 1,825,000-800,000=1,025,000
Eric Weems 1,600,000-500,000=1,100,000
Earl Bennett 2,450,000-0=2,450,000

Total Possible Cap Room: 28,401,331

Peppers and Podlesh are almost certainly gone, I would think. Also, I read that none of Cutler's salary is prorated, so that would be a way to get some more cap room, if they needed it. So I think they're in pretty good shape to make some moves in FA.

[LanceStone]

Peppers and Podlesh are almost certainly gone, I would think. Also, I read that none of Cutler's salary is prorated, so that would be a way to get some more cap room, if they needed it. So I think they're in pretty good shape to make some moves in FA.

It's not that much when you consider what's needed


Starting DE
Starting DE
Starting DT
Starting NT
Starting MLB
Starting CB
Starting FS
Starting SS
Starting C
Starting P
Starting LS

Backup QB
Backup WR
Backup RB
Backup TE
Backup C
Backup OT
Backup NT
Backup SLB
Backup MLB
Backup CB
Backup SS

[LanceStone]

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http://fansided.com/2014/01/06/jay-c...h-every-penny/

Jay Cutler: Underpaid and Worth Every Penny

We’ve all experienced the awkwardness of a friend getting serious with someone and then slowly but surely incorporating the significant other into the pre-existing friend group. If you hate the boyfriend or girlfriend, you can’t really say anything to your friend about it—unless you have reason to believe that the new romantic interest is a rapist or an axe murderer or something of the sort.You might think person is a loser. You might think the person is a douche bag. You might even think the person doesn’t deserve your friend. But all of those feelings are irrelevant. As a good friend, your only responsibility is to support the boyfriend or girlfriend until he or she gets dumped or does the dumping—then and only then can you start openly trashing the ex

For me, Kristin Cavallari is that proverbial friend, and her husband Jay Cutler is that proverbial significant other.Like a lot of people, I grew up watching Kristin on Laguna Beach: The Real Orange County. And despite attending high school in a party town most famous for hosting MTV Spring Break, and the year-round drunken debauchery that comes with it, it was difficult not to live vicariously through Cavallari’s semi-scripted exploits at Laguna Beach High School. Through her seemingly never ending drama with Lauren Conrad and Stephen Colletti, Kristin taught me about both the joys and perils of getting involved in a love triangle. Her boundless popularity and sex appeal functioned as a practical lesson in power politics surpassing the teachings from virtually any political science course across the country. And long before I experienced the awesomeness that is a Mexico vacation without parental supervision, Kristin engrained in me the most important rule of travel south of the border: “What happens in Cabo, stays in Cabo.”

As silly as it might sound, I can say with absolutely no semblance of flippancy that Kristin Cavallari meant a lot to me growing up. As a result, I naturally continue to support her today—even when she started dating Jay Cutler during the Fall of 2010 and married him in June of 2013. And part of supporting Kristin is supporting Jay.

People would attack Cutler for being a “loser” due to amassing an 11-35 record while playing quarterback at Vanderbilt. I would counter by asserting that Vanderbilt is a bastion of academia with the unfortunate luck of being situated in the Southeastern Conference. To think that Jay Cutler and his Commodores could realistically compete with LSU, Tennessee, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, and the rest of the SEC is at best nonsensical and at worst unabashed ignorance. Cutler’s career professional record of 56 wins and 48 losses has shown that he is hardly a loser

People would also attack Cutler for being “soft” due to taking himself out of the 2011 NFC Championship Game against Green Bay. I would strike back with the fact that Cutler suffered a sprained MCL against the Packers, rendering him both immobile and unable to plant and throw off his left knee. By taking himself out of the game, Cutler was sacrificing his personal glory for the success of the team—something his teammates and opponents alike recognized and appreciated after the game. In hindsight, Cutler’s willingness to play the 2013 season with a torn groin and twisted ankle rendered any past potshots concerning his fortitude as sophomoric and misguided.

Now, Jay Cutler’s ever-present critics are attacking the Chicago Bears for giving Cutler an allegedly undeserved seven-year, $126.7 million contract.

Yahoo! Sports’s Dalton Russell alluded to Jay Cutler now becoming the most overpaid quarterback in NFL history. I’m not sure if Russell was simply writing a shocking headline to maximize page clicks or if he genuinely thinks that Cutler might actually be the most overpaid quarterback in the history of professional football. Regardless, such a belief is pretty foolish.

First, it is important to understand that Bears General Manager Phil Emery is not literally handing Cutler a check worth $127.6 million. Per Profootballtalk.com, only the first three years of the deal are guaranteed. In 2014, Cutler will make $22.5 million; in 2015, $15.5 million; and in 2016, $16 million. After 2016, the deal becomes year-to-year with salaries of $12.5 million in 2017; $13.5 million in 2018; $17.5 million in 2019; and $19.2 million in 2020. In other words, unless Cutler thrives in his late-thirties, the Bears will likely not be paying him much of the latter portion of his deal. Jay will effectively make for sure just $54 million, and anything more than that is just speculation. Be honest, $54 million for Jay Cutler sounds a hell of a lot better than $127 million, doesn’t it?

Second, aside from understanding the specificities of the Jay Cutler contract, one must think about the concept of being “overpaid” under the economic logic of capitalism. In a capitalist system, people are paid what the market determines them to be worth. If someone is overpaid, then the payer is either an idiot OR more likely simply made the tactical decision that the employee in question brought desirables to the table that should not fall into the hands of the competition—at almost any cost. Meanwhile, if someone is underpaid, then either the payee is an idiot OR more likely just came to the conclusion that the psychic benefits of a specific location were worth making slightly less than the market rate for the services rendered. When comparing Cutler’s contract with the contracts received by his contemporaries—and taking into account the interconnected realities of QB salary inflation and QB scarcity—it appears rather objective that Cutler is, if anything, underpaid.

In 2008, Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger signed an 8-year $102 million contract with $33.2 million in guaranteed money. Since the Roethlisberger signing, and arguably long before that, NFL teams have come to realize the necessity of having a competent starting quarterback, and the historical salary increases have reflected such a realization. In March of 2012, the Denver Broncos signed Peyton Manning to a 5-year $96 million deal with $18 million guaranteed—not bad for a 37-year-old who can’t win in big cold weather night games with a neck constantly at risk of detaching from his upper body. In July of 2012, the New Orleans Saints signed Drew Brees for 5-years at $100 million with $40 million guaranteed. In March of 2013, the Baltimore Ravens infamously signed Joe Flacco to a 6-year $120.6 million contract with $52 million guaranteed. The Dallas Cowboys signed Tony Romo to a 7-year $119.5 million contract with $55 million guaranteed in March of 2013. One month later, the Green Bay Packers signed Aaron Rodgers to a 7-year $130.75 million deal with $54 million guaranteed. Then in July, the Detroit Lions‘ Matt Stafford inked a 5-year $76.5 million deal with $41.5 million guaranteed. That same month, the Atlanta Falcons gave Matt Ryan 6-years $113.75 million with a $59 million guarantee. Moral of the story: the Chicago Bears think Jay Cutler is a franchise quarterback; franchise quarterbacks make a lot of money; and Cutler’s new de facto $54 million contract falls in line with the market price for franchise quarterbacks in 2014.

The argument against the signing now becomes, “okay, Jay is paid a fair market rate for a starting elite quarterback, but Cutler just is not a starting elite quarterback!” This sentiment—while popular—is quite baffling when you look at Jay Cutler’s abilities in the context of the totality of the National Football League. Cutler boasts a career 61% completion percentage; 23,937 yards passing; 155 TDs and only 112 INTs—solid numbers for a guy frequently butchered by fans and media alike. Is he Aaron Rodgers? No. Is he Tom Brady? No! But he doesn’t have to be one of the top 5 quarterbacks in the NFL to be paid $54 million. Consider the teams who objectively would have loved to have Cutler this year as their starter: the Oakland Raiders, Houston Texans, Jacksonville Jaguars, Tennessee Titans, Cleveland Browns, Buffalo Bills, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Minnesota Vikings, and New York Jets. Then, think about the teams with ambiguous quarterback situations who would at the very least hold a five hour meeting regarding signing Jay Cutler: the St. Louis Rams, Miami Dolphins, Washington Redskins, and Cincinnati Bengals. That’s literally 40% of the entire NFL that would have serious interest in Jay Cutler!Imagine what would have happened if Cutler hit the open market.

In all likelihood, at least three of the aforementioned thirteen teams would have gotten into a bidding war for Cutler’s services. And if that happened, Cutler’s current $54 million guarantee and $127.6 million contract in total would have increased substantially. It seems apparent that, in signing his new deal with Phil Emery and the Chicago Bears, Jay Cutler left guaranteed money on the table to stay in Chicago. The Chicago Bears got a break in signing an underpaid franchise quarterback.

The argument against the Bears signing Jay Cutler now devolves into, “fine, the Bears got a deal on Cutler considering the open market bidding war, but why would they want a deal on Jay Cutler? He’s at best nibbling at the top quadrant of NFL quarterbacks.” This is an interesting argument. Virtually anyone would take Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Matt Ryan, Colin Kaepernick, Tom Brady, Andrew Luck, and Peyton Manning over Jay Cutler. That’s 25% of NFL starting quarterbacks. And one could even debate taking Cam Newton, Nick Foles, Tony Romo, Eli Manning, a healthy Robert Griffin III, Matt Stafford, Ben Roethlisberger, Joe Flacco, Alex Smith, and Philip Rivers over Cutler. Throw those guys in with the prior eight and that’s 56% of starting quarterbacks arguably more valuable than Jay Cutler. Let’s assume the worst of all possible scenarios: that Cutler is the 19th most desirable quarterback in the NFL. Why would the Bears give him $54 million? Why not just trade up in the draft and take a supposed elite franchise quarterback of the future? Or why not just bring in a myriad of rookie quarterbacks during preseason competition and troll for the next Russell Wilson? Because, they are the Chicago Bears

A quick perusal of the history of quarterback play in Chicago reveals that the Bears have never had a Dan Marino, a Joe Montana, a Troy Aikman, or even a Bernie Kosar. The Bears have never had that elite franchise quarterback. In fact, Jay Cutler is the closest player to an elite quarterback ever to call Soldier Field home. And statistically, Cutler is the most successful quarterback in Chicago Bears history. He has the highest completion percentage, controlling for a nominal sample size from Shane Matthews during the late ’90s. He has the most passing yards, the second most touchdowns (he will pass the immortal Sid Luckman within the next two seasons), and the highest quarterback rating. Just read the names of some past quarterbacks to don the white, navy blue, and burnt orange: Jim Harbaugh, Erik Kramer, Mike Tomczak, Rex Grossman, Kyle Orton, and Jim Miller. That partial list speaks for itself. If the Bears attempted to draft the next Russell Wilson or Andrew Luck, they almost assuredly would end up with a poor man’s version of Blaine Gabbert or Brandon Weeden.

The elephant in the room with the Jay Cutler signing is Josh McCown—the Chicago Bears backup who played so admirably for the Bears in Cutler’s extended absence in 2013. Many, including NFL.com‘s Adam Rank, believe that the Bears should have named McCown the starter and stuck with him in 2013 and moving on into the future. But choosing not to sign Jay Cutler in favor of career backup Josh McCown is ludicrous for three reasons.

[LanceStone]

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First, sample size. There is no denying that McCown had a great year in 2013; no one can take his 13 TDs and only 1 INT away from him. But that is just an 8 game sample size out of the 60 career games he has appeared in for the Arizona Cardinals, Detroit Lions, Oakland Raiders, Carolina Panthers, and Chicago Bears. Eliminate the nominal 8 game 2013 sample size and McCown’s 52 game career numbers drop to 37 TDs and 44 INTs. Josh McCown was a nice story and will continue to be an excellent option at backup quarterback moving forward, but to anoint him as the Bears starting quarterback of the future would be a curious case of Pollyannaish myopia.

Second, commitment to football. Josh McCown is on record as being unsure if he even wants to continue playing football in 2014. Josh is a family man with four children ages 15, 6, 10, and 9 living in North Carolina, and McCown genuinely seems to want to be a traditional father and watch his kids grow up in person. Perhaps McCown will change his mind if he gets a multi-million dollar offer this offseason, but even so: would it really be rational for the Bears to pass on Cutler and roll the dice on a guy who might not even want to play professional football anymore?

Third and lastly, age. Josh McCown will be 35-years-old at the start of the 2014 NFL season. Admittedly, there has been some history of success with aging late-bloomer quarterbacks. At age 37, career middling at best quarterback Rich Gannon was NFL MVP and the starter for the Super Bowl XXXVII runner-up Oakland Raiders. At age 38, however, a combination of age and injuries led to his statistics and quarterback play to plunge off a metaphorical cliff. He retired a year later. Assuming for the sake of argument McCown could replicate his 2013 season until age 37, like Rich Gannon. How many NFL General Managers would choose two years of Josh McCown as opposed to realistically anywhere between five and seven years of Jay Cutler? I would be shocked if the answer was more than zero.

To the rest of the league, Jay Cutler might look like a middling quarterback, but to the city of Chicago he is the best quarterback they’ve ever had. You can only search for the answer at quarterback for so long. A popular definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. It goes without saying that Phil Emery couldn’t sanely part ways with with the greatest quarterback in Chicago Bears history and expect to find someone better. Not in Chicago.

[Antonio519]

They're moving Shea to Linebacker?

[cheerupemokid]

They're moving Shea to Linebacker?

Possibly. There is an article about them looking into it on the official team site, so: http://www.chicagobears.com/news/art...e-78193a3b5f9a