unless you are sore you can work your muscle as many times a week as you want. i know guys who do nothing but pushups everyday and they have a big ****ing chest.
im not saying u can max out every day on squats and deads. but people are paranoid about overtraining for no reason. u can work same muscle multiple times a week
Got quite a few emails about my comment that I believe overtraining is (another) sissy modern day concept -- and BS.
Many of you who commented couldn't believe I said such a thing. You think I should explain myself -- "if you can," you snidely add. Apparently, you're concerned young kids following my BODY advice might be "mislead." Going by your training standards today, you might be right. Young kids who follow my advice would be mislead in how to become champions -- winners. And God knows, we can't have any winners in our culture today. Not when kids are "lead" to be losers.
I found it interesting that the majority of you commentators seem to think you also read that I said rest or recovery is not necessary at all. Along with disagreeing with me by believing overtraining is possible and legit, you support your believe by chastising me, "You know rest is important for the body to recover, Warrior, so I don't understand why you would put forward any idea that it is not."
Yes, Einsteins, I do. I do know rest and recovery is important. I never said they were not. I never put forward any idea as you imagine. You read something into what I actually said that was not there at all.
What I said -- and absolutely still stand by -- is that overtraining is not possible unless you believe so in your mind. Oh, and it is BS.
Like most of the modern day theories intended to stifle action but stimulate a lot of yakkitty-yak, overtraining is one of those state-of-the-art suppositions that keep people from doing the THREE tried-and-true things they actually most need to do to build up their physiques or their physical strength:
Train. Train Hard. And TRAIN HARDER.
For good measure you might want to throw in a fourth thing if the three above don't seem to be working.
Number Four: TRAIN EVEN HARDER.
Training is what people of all ages, young and old, need to concentrate on before they think too much about doing anything else -- including the silly idea that they might be overtraining. Actually doing the exercise work at hand will do wonders for your body you would not believe. I guess, though, this isn't a training method scientific enough for today's trainers and trainees. On the other hand, thinking and talking too much can actually prohibit training altogether. Go figure. Walk into any gym today and see this self-evident truth at work for yourself.
Young recruits today think they need supplements like pro-hormones and NO2 stimulants before they even go to the gym and experience what it is like to grab the iron and throw it around for awhile. In my mind, a long while, say 3-5 years, for starters. Maybe after they put in that kind of time and commitment they can start having some serious thoughts about what might be important next.
I must get 50 emails a day asking me what is the best prohormone, and what is most important, working out? OR food and supplements? And they do not mean food and supplements to go along with the working out they would do at the same time. They mean -- is it more important to eat food and take supplements OR workout to build my body? Yes, fellow warrior, you are understanding me correctly in the way I've written this. Somehow or other these kids have the idea that they can eat food and supplements without working out and build their bodies that way. Exercise might not be necessary according to the newfangled bodybuilding theories they hold.
This is a direct result of the fraud and idiocy the health and fitness industry perpetuates, to sustain their desire to keep people ignorant, stupid, and confused. If a young kid is going to be mislead, and potentially do harm to himself, it is the modern day crap that it is going to cause it, not me saying overtraining is bs. My advice will actually help the kid!
Back in my bodybuilding days it was typical to train bodyparts three times per week, including even the compound exercises -- squats, deadlifts, bentover rows and heavy bench. I continually and progressively got huge and strong (all the monsters I knew then did too). Gritting, grinding, grunting, gnarling and growling were training concepts regularly witnessed, but overtraining? Never heard of it.
Train big. Eat big. Get plenty of good, sound rest. Period. All kinds of bodybuilders and strength athletes thrived off this simple three part formula. This was before they had all the theories, all the science, all the trainer certifications, and all the mad, over-the-top chemical experimentation that goes on today.
During my sports entertainment career, for over 5 years of a practically straight-through tour of duty, I traveled on a plane nearly every day, never missed any hardcore HIT workouts (no less than 6 days per week), survived on 3-4 hours sleep a night, and ate mostly 5-6 cans of tunafish per day (and practically nothing else when I could not find eating establishments that served good, clean food). Many times I would go 24 hour periods without any other kind of food -- no carbs, no fats...just tuna out of the can.
That's 24 hours where I would have also executed my workout and performed a wrestling match. I worked nearly every night of the year, pushing my body and energy reserves to the absolute limit. My success was dependent on my physique and physical conditioning. It was not something I could leave to chance or give silly, half-ass attention to. The limited caloric intake and the extreme workload never manifested anything but the most positive effects. My body ALWAYS took whatever exertion I subjected it to and it responded by getting better and better over time even though the mental and physical demands became greater and greater at the same time.
The problem with young people today is that they are doing too much theorizing and talking and not enough damn work. It's no mystery that athletic champions in any sport put in a lot of hours -- a full day's work of 8-10 hours working on what needs to be done to succeed at the highest level.
How all this BS started that the body of person working out with weights can only handle 90 minutes of training a day only a few times per week, and the remainder of the time should be spent laying around eating gourmet health foods and shoveling down expensive supplementation, I don't know. But I do know it is all BS because I speak from experiences that undisciplined, weak-minded individuals and skinny fitness-training theory freaks never had. All of this nonsense came from out of the minds of midgets who saw big money in marketing easy muscle building strategies to the masses of lazy, afraid-of-hard-work losers like themselves.
Sounds like excuses to me. Damn pathetic ones. Ones not tolerated around here. Get to the gym, shut the **** up and train your guts and brain out. Your body will tell you when it needs rest and recovery. When it does, give it some.
But don't be a slave to its whining. Your best and most effective muscle building workouts will be when you least feel like going to the gym. Don't be a sissy to soreness and hard work -- or even pain. Try it -- I promise, if you are serious about building muscle, you'll love it.
If being big and muscular was natural, we'd all be big and muscular. Your goal to be huge is not natural and your body is going to try and come up with all kinds of excuses because it does not like what you are making it do. Tough ****. Engage Mind over Matter and go back and torture the crap out of it again.
Any kid out there training 5, 6 or 7 days a week and doing everything and anything, giving it his all, keeping his attitude positive, paying attention to what his body is telling him, drinking gobs of milk and not worrying about whether he has the new age supps -- now, that's a kid you do need to be afraid of. There's a kid you will want to keep your eye on. Why? He's been mislead, and he's certain to be a future champion -- and warrior.
Kicking your OWN ass is the best way to discover what it takes to kick the ass of your competitor -- in any game or sport. Leave your OWN blood and guts in the training arena and your opponent will leave his on the battlefield.
Your Founding Father of Kicking His Own Ass in the Gym,
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Overtraining is a myth
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you can work out when you're sore (given that the muscles have had adequate rest), but overtraining is real life bro. whether it be overtraining through decreasing the efficiency of your split or just doing a ridiculous amount of volume on a stupid amount of consecutive days, you can "overtrain" and cause injury.I only rep rich guys
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over training really doesn't have much to do with your muscles, it has to do with your CNS dealing with extremely stressful loads over a long period of time.
run a serious strength training program for a while, and get back to us OP. I bet you lift next to nothing.Don't get set into one form, adapt it and build your own, and let it grow, be like water. Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless, like water. Now you put water in a cup, it becomes the cup; You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle; You put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend. - Bruce Lee
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11-18-2011, 07:00 PM #15Don't get set into one form, adapt it and build your own, and let it grow, be like water. Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless, like water. Now you put water in a cup, it becomes the cup; You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle; You put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend. - Bruce Lee
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not sure if srs.
theres a fine line between frequency and intensity. Doing pushups everyday is completetly different to squatting 315 or so even 3x a week, this is why you have hypertrophy based routines which tell you not to MAX out 3x a week if you do decide to train with more frequency.
either way, urine idiot.
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