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    Originally Posted by psychodiver9 View Post
    2 week minicut will shed water Weight but no significant bf. If you want to do it for a mental break it may be beneficial but not much more than that imo
    Originally Posted by TinyMuscolo View Post
    ^^Dunno man, calorie deficit is deficit regardless of how much it lasts. Then, you wouldnt have the metabolic down-tuning and adaptations related with prolonged periods of cutting, so IMO best bang for the buck.
    Kind of what I was thinking. How could a deficit be water weight only? I would expect there would have to be a fair percentage of weight lost.
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    Originally Posted by IrishPilot View Post
    Kind of what I was thinking. How could a deficit be water weight only? I would expect there would have to be a fair percentage of weight lost.
    I didn't say only. How much fst do you think you would truly lose in 2 weeks?
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    Originally Posted by psychodiver9 View Post
    I didn't say only. How much fst do you think you would truly lose in 2 weeks?
    Depends on the deficit, but a good 1-2lbs a week should be possible I would think.
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    Originally Posted by IrishPilot View Post
    Depends on the deficit, but a good 1-2lbs a week should be possible I would think.
    I'd agree, but I would keep that trick in the bag for when you're really struggling mentally. It seems like you've gotten over the little hump for now.

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    Originally Posted by IrishPilot View Post
    Depends on the deficit, but a good 1-2lbs a week should be possible I would think.
    but keep in mind if you are losing 2kbs a week you are losing fat, water, and muscle weight. Plus coming off a bulk you'll lose glycogen initially as well. You won't be losing pure fat.
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    Originally Posted by psychodiver9 View Post
    but keep in mind if you are losing 2kbs a week you are losing fat, water, and muscle weight. Plus coming off a bulk you'll lose glycogen initially as well. You won't be losing pure fat.
    Agreed, and typically that first week or two you will lose well over 2lbs...my point being it will still be 1 to 2 pounds of fat.
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    Originally Posted by IrishPilot View Post
    Agreed, and typically that first week or two you will lose well over 2lbs...my point being it will still be 1 to 2 pounds of fat.
    true. If you're happy with that then go for it. I just can't see it making a noticeable difference physique wise.
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    Originally Posted by psychodiver9 View Post
    true. If you're happy with that then go for it. I just can't see it making a noticeable difference physique wise.
    I don't think I'm interested in doing it at this point... I was just saying for sake of conversation what is possible.
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    Keep on bulking! There's no pudginess in the pictures in my opinion, especially considering what you said in the post about water weight. Your base looks pretty solid, but you're not at the point where a cut would be particularly useful. Just slow the bulk a bit, maybe, if you feel like you're gaining body fat too quickly (which, from my understanding of the general consensus, you aren't).
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    IP, it looks like you've made some big mental leaps the last few days and I was elated to read the update this morning. We're here to support your goals man, keep killing it in the gym, eating properly, and you will reap as you sow!

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    2 week minicut will shed water Weight but no significant bf. If you want to do it for a mental break it may be beneficial but not much more than that imo
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    ^^Dunno man, calorie deficit is deficit regardless of how much it lasts. Then, you wouldnt have the metabolic down-tuning and adaptations related with prolonged periods of cutting, so IMO best bang for the buck.
    I think one of the biggest misconceptions out there seems to be cal deficit=instant "water loss"/glycogen depletion. This is a wildly unfounded assumption. What if someone cuts down on proteins and fats but keeps carbs high? Why would they randomly start "losing" water? Calories don't retain water; carbs, dehydration, kidney impairment and sodium are all culprits of water retention.

    As far as the mini-cut idea goes, I would advise against that simply because that would likely turn into a 1-2 month mini-cut as opposed to 1-2 weeks (no offense to IP, but just knowing the nature of the beast this is what happens with those of us who have distorted body images)
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    Bigger and stronger posters than myself have already weighed in (dat pun), but for what it's worth...

    If you feel like the water/bloat or whatever is getting inside your head, what I have found to be useful is just taking a small break for a few days. Lower the carbs (not low carb, just lower) and eat at maintenance for a few days to get a more accurate feeling of where you're really at. I've started doing this recently whenever I really feel my will starting to crumble, and I think it helps me to maintain perspective. Just a thought.
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    Hate to say it but maybe dropping deads and focusing on squats would help
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    Hate to say it but maybe dropping deads and focusing on squats would help
    Hard pill to swallow as I love deads and atm hate squats.
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    Hard pill to swallow as I love deads and atm hate squats.
    is it a harder pill to swallow then stagnating squats?
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    Originally Posted by The Solution View Post
    So jealous you have access to blue bunny
    CT only a 7/10, that is the worst review i have read on it about the flavor..

    Hmm.. now i am reconsidering Karmel Sutra or Triple Carmel Chunk Real life problems LOL
    I can get BnJ's, Blue Bunny, Kemps, 2nd Street, Edys, Talenti, HDazs, High Road, some Jenni's, and a small selection of Graeters. Not too bad, but not perfect. Wish I could get blue bell, turkey hill, Steve's, etc.

    Regarding Chocolate Therapy, if you would have fed it to my blind folded I would have guessed it was just a good chocolate ice cream. Better than most, but still just chocolate ice cream. I would have never guessed swirls, layers, etc.
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    Originally Posted by IrishPilot View Post
    I can get BnJ's, Blue Bunny, Kemps, 2nd Street, Edys, Talenti, HDazs, High Road, and a small selection of Graeters. Not too bad, but not perfect.
    You're a pilot; technically, you could have access to any kind of ice cream.
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    Originally Posted by IrishPilot View Post
    Regarding Chocolate Therapy, if you would have fed it to my blind folded I would have guessed it was just a good chocolate ice cream. Better than most, but still just chocolate ice cream. I would have never guessed swirls, layers, etc.
    I agree, but my reaction was more favorable than yours. Normally I get pissed when the base absorbs the mix-ins or swirls, but I felt like that actually improved things here.

    Just out of curiosity, are you squatting high or low bar?
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    Originally Posted by Crucifist View Post
    I agree, but my reaction was more favorable than yours. Normally I get pissed when the base absorbs the mix-ins or swirls, but I felt like that actually improved things here.

    Just out of curiosity, are you squatting high or low bar?
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    Agree entirely on your thoughts abotu chocolate therapy...also, coincidence, I had BB carrot cake last night too! those pita chips are real solid too btw. Havent had that flavor but the cinnamon sugar are a great so im sure those will be solid as well. Even the salted ones are a great alternative to regular chips....you ever fly to NY btw? brb squat sesh during your layover
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    Originally Posted by IrishPilot View Post
    High bar.
    Ah! Very good. I'm actually doing high bar right now myself because of an injury. I don't squat as much with the bar there, but it's "safer" for me in general, at least at the moment. Plus, it's much easier to tell whether I'm cheating and turning it into a good morning.

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    Originally Posted by MITCHAPAL00ZA View Post
    Agree entirely on your thoughts abotu chocolate therapy...also, coincidence, I had BB carrot cake last night too! those pita chips are real solid too btw. Havent had that flavor but the cinnamon sugar are a great so im sure those will be solid as well. Even the salted ones are a great alternative to regular chips....you ever fly to NY btw? brb squat sesh during your layover
    Gingerbread pita chips = full of win. Havent had the cinnamon sugar yet. Always see them just havent pulled the trigger. Im not typically a chip guy, but when I am sun chips cheddar/garden salsa ftw.

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    Ah! Very good. I'm actually doing high bar right now myself because of an injury. I don't squat as much with the bar there, but it's "safer" for me in general, at least at the moment. Plus, it's much easier to tell whether I'm cheating and turning it into a good morning.

    Have you thought about adding a little minor assistance work to help boost your squat?
    Ive got 3 more weeks to finish this run of 5/3/1 (3mo challenge) and then I will be going back to stock 5/3/1 setup...at which point I will be rearranging the assistance stuff.
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