I'm not talkin if Phil was back then etc, I mean like, if current Phil was transported back via arnie style time travel, would he have beaten Coleman? Obviously Coleman dwarfs Phil in every aspect besides maybe arms, but honestly, don't you think Phil is a better blend of mass and symmetry. I definitely do, but then again I don't really know ****, but still, I gotta say, i think the sport is in a good place right now with Phil as the champ.
Still rooting for Kai to nail his posing and conditioning and win tho, that guy truly is inspirational and pressents a kinda tighter, neater but obviously smaller version of what Ronnie was bringing imo.
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11-04-2011, 07:19 AM #1Registered User
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would current Phil beat late 90's Coleman.
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11-04-2011, 07:21 AM #2Contest Prep Nom Nom
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11-04-2011, 07:22 AM #3Austrian HIT
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Bored are we. This has been discussed serval dozen times in other threads. No Phil would not beat 98 or 99 Ronnie.
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11-04-2011, 07:28 AM #4Registered User
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Anyone know who this is?
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11-04-2011, 07:34 AM #5Registered User
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No, not only is Ronnie overall bigger he's alittle taller as well.
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11-04-2011, 07:34 AM #6You paid your dues bro?
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Ronnie Heath?Originally Posted by SamTek
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11-04-2011, 07:35 AM #7Registered User
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Went google images.Originally Posted by wala
Not impressed. -_-
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11-04-2011, 07:40 AM #8Austrian HIT
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try Phillip Mancole?Originally Posted by SamTek
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11-04-2011, 07:40 AM #9Pro Architect
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He wouldn't be Top 3 in 98 or 99, let alone beating Coleman.
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11-04-2011, 07:42 AM #10Registered User
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It's really not even close.
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11-04-2011, 07:42 AM #11Austrian HIT
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I think he could beat CormierOriginally Posted by OtisBDriftwood
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11-04-2011, 07:43 AM #12Registered User
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I def have him top 3. Wheelers condition in 98/99 was no were near as good as Heaths plus Heath is more developed now then Flex was. Heaths back would smash Flex'sOriginally Posted by OtisBDriftwood
Watery hamstrings to.
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FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFfOriginally Posted by Darren in Gym
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11-04-2011, 07:53 AM #14Austrian HIT
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Just looked up 98/99 competitors. Doubt he could beat Nasser (3rd in 98).
wow in 1998, Ronnie was in 4th after the first round, then shot to straight 1s for the next 3 rounds
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Nasser looked like hell from behind. Phil would destroy him in that area.Originally Posted by Darren in Gym
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11-04-2011, 08:10 AM #16Abiad's Army
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Nasser's conditioning was poor, even in 97, and very weak from the back. Other than Ronnie in 98 and 99, I think Phil would have beaten anyone from the 90s.
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11-04-2011, 08:17 AM #17Austrian HIT
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True on Nasser statements, i retract mine. Ronnie would still win though, especially in 99
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11-04-2011, 08:18 AM #18Austrian HIT
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the key to tricking others is all in the detailsOriginally Posted by SamTek
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11-04-2011, 08:23 AM #19Registered User
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Agreed. Phil would have placed 2nd to Coleman in 1998 and 1999. Ronnie 2.0 still beats Phil Heath of 2011. Ronnie 3.0 blows Heath away.Originally Posted by DavisForman
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Conditioning alone wouldn't save Heath. The top 3-4 of the late 90's was much bigger and it's not like they're conditioning was terrible either.
Yes you have some spotty soft hammies or glutes in some guys but overall they were more crisp and definitely more dense than a current Heath.John "The pro architect" Hollywood
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Nasser looked terrible from the back every year. His weakness was his back. He would turn around and the size was there but when he posed you were left waiting for the muscles to "pop"......but they just didn't.Originally Posted by POTA
Nasser looked like hell from behind. Phil would destroy him in that area.
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The pics of Wheeler I just showed prove everything you just said is wrong.....his back in the late 90s was not more dense or crisp then Heaths.Originally Posted by OtisBDriftwood
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11-04-2011, 08:40 AM #23I Raffed Out Rowd
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98 Ronnie > Phil 11
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Next time try to read my entire post. You know the meaning of "overall"?Originally Posted by AnarkyLost
Judging is not based on judging bodypart by bodypart, they judge a body as an whole. Flex hanged with a 99 Coleman (even if you don't agree, the scorecards told a different story). Heath most likely would not.
Heath just not stands out as a clear winner nowadays in an arguably weaker line-up, i doubt he would in 98-99 or 2000.John "The pro architect" Hollywood
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Yea overall were? Heaths arms are overall more dense...his back is overall more dense....his legs are overall more dense....hell even his chest is overall more dense....what are you talking about srs?Originally Posted by OtisBDriftwood
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Were is Wheeler overall more dense?
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And you are so sure of that when they never stood next to each other... Right!! lol gosh...Originally Posted by AnarkyLost
And i'm talking of the top 3-4, not only Flex. Way to try and strawman, pushing the subject to a guy alone to try and win an argument.John "The pro architect" Hollywood
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Waiting for the comment that Heath's back is better than Ronnie's....lol. Phil has nothing but love from me but from a back stand point he is not anywhere near Coleman in the back dept. in his prime....yet.
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So now you have to stand next to someone to judge Density? Standing next to someone is only useful for judging the difference in size you can judge density without standing next to someone....and now that I proved what you said as wrong you want to move onto other guys like Nassar....lol.....HAHAHAHAOriginally Posted by OtisBDriftwood
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