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    **The NO FAP thread to end ALL No Fap threads**

    "What happens when you drop a male rat into a cage with a receptive female rat? First, you see a frenzy of copulation. Then, progressively, the male tires of that particular female. Even if she wants more, he has had enough. However, replace the original female with a fresh one, and the male immediately revives and gallantly struggles to fertilize her."


    ^ That's what is happening to you when you constantly watch porn. Every click of the mouse is another female that you mentally mated. Repeat this for 10 videos, 10 partners ... and all of a sudden you have no urge/motivation to pass on your genes via clappping real cheeks.


    For all you brahs that have tried it the right way (no porn, no edging, no fapping) and STILL haven't experienced any changes in mood levels, confidence, motivation etc... this doesn't apply to you. You don't have to come in here and discredit what I say or discourage anyone from trying. Placebo or not, this stuff has worked and will continue to work for people with the will power and discipline to go on this route.


    Originally Posted by yourbrainonporn.com
    For you, rats, and all mammals, the desire to have sex arises from a neurochemical called dopamine. Dopamine amps up the centerpiece of the primitive part of the brain—the reward circuitry. It’s where we experience pleasure, and where we get addicted.

    The ancient reward circuitry compels you to do things that further your survival and pass on your genes. At the top of our human reward list are food, sex, love, friendship, and novelty. These are called ‘natural reinforcers,’ as opposed to addictive chemicals.

    The evolutionary purpose of dopamine is to motivate you to do what your genes want you to. The bigger the squirt the more you want something. No dopamine and you just ignore it. Chocolate cake and ice cream—a big blast. Celery—not so much. Sex and orgasm are the biggest natural blast of dopamine available to your reward circuitry. One of dopamine's nicknames is the "molecule of addiction."
    http://yourbrainonporn.com/doing-what-you-evolved-to-do

    Here's a personal account of this guy's No Fap journey/transformation
    http://yourbrainonporn.com/age-23-me...o-chick-magnet
    Day 1

    ...Today was my first day of no PMO.

    I have been masturbating since 15/16 years old. I have been watching porn since 3/4 grade. I am 23 years old.

    I didnt really think I had an addiction till someone posted the yourbrainonporn.com link on a forum I frequent. Porn has always just kind of been there...

    Day 12

    ...I went to the library two days ago and approached two girls. I never do that unless I'm at the club. Even then it takes a lot effort for me to do it. The first one I got her number (she was really cute and had a really kind personality) and the second one had a serious boyfriend but she was still flirting with me the entire time. I don't know what came over me. I saw them, got up from the computer desk, and approached them like it was second nature. When I finished talking to them, I have to admit I felt really proud of myself and happy. It was a huge adrenaline rush lol....

    I have also been really introspective. Normally when I am around women I feel intimidated or looking for one that will give me attention or I will look for one that is down to do the dirty. So basically I used to have three categories of experience with woman-
    1. Who is down to do some things? If so, pleaasseee give me attention. You maybe? You? How about you?
    2. Intimidation. I used to feel really intimidated by woman. I would feel weak and inadequate. Like I did not stack up to them.
    3. I am a man and I am higher than you in a very a$$hole way.

    Now it's..........equal. I don't want anything from them. I am enjoying myself and just being me. I usually have to go to a doctors office and the woman staff there have been...dare I say it?....nicer to me. My voice is deeper and I have a more commanding presence. I feel separate from everyone elses drama.

    Day 43

    Hey guys, hope everyone is well.

    I've been feeling great. The more I resist the urge to M the better I feel. For example, if I have a super horny night and resist it I wake up the next morning feeling amazing.

    ~I have a lot more courage

    ~I speak with a lot more clarity and control

    ~People and their issues don't bother me as much. I just allow them to be who they are

    ~I can hold eye contact with women

    ~Men respect me more. This has been really noticeable

    ~I feel like a man. Just this inner confidence...I feel like a rock

    ~I am not as groggy when I wake up

    ~I find myself meditating without even trying. I just go within and feel super great

    ~I hardly get nervous about anything. Just relaxed confidence

    ~My circle of friends and associates have been looking at me differently. Its like they can sense something different but they can't put their finger on it

    ~My face looks brighter and I don't look as tired as I used to. I feel and look a lot more alert

    ~Life feels more...real. There is a certain quality of it....
    Originally Posted by P4yn3 View Post
    Do women really notice you more?

    that right there is the ultimate motivation...
    TBH, I thought that was bull**** at first. But I really do notice it more. Perhaps it's the fact that you don't have an ounce of self consciousness in you, better posture, better facial complexion, who knows? who cares?

    The thing I'm trying to get at is... ALL of these are potentially placebo effects, but in the event that it's actually not, what did you really had to lose to get here? Nothing... it's not like you're paying for a supplement that might or might not work with no credible studies done.

    If you want to go back to fapping, go ahead.. But there's a reason why people can't seem to stop (myself included since I was 13). Fapping is an addiction modern society deemed normal. But take control of your own life and don't let that urge get to you.

    "This is not how free and powerful men live. Control your vices or they will control you."





    If you really think about it, unlimited/free porn has only been available recently (relatively). Perhaps you see more socially awkward kids / more betas because of the readily available material which demotivates everyone to do anything great (as it drains their motivation levels). Yes I do believe that all motivation is is just your energy, and if you choose to expunge it all via fapping, then that's on you.

    You know that feel you get once a week where you feel so motivated to be successful in life? When you're on like day 5-7... that **** is constant. You constantly want to improve. Broscience/placebo or not, it works for me


    Personally, I wouldn't say I have confidence problems... or issues holding eye contact for that matter, but it is definitely an extra boost when you're on that no fappy time. It's almost like nothing else matters, all your social interactions are so outcome-independent and you just dont give a fuarkk.

    Here's a cool series


    http://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/commen..._of_hair_loss/
    Broscience? Perhaps. But you're giving up 3-8 seconds of pleasure, and a ton of time wasted whacking it for many potential broscienic results. What do you got to lose?











    Originally Posted by AbWarsame View Post
    Once you break through the two week hurdle you begin to feel like superman, it's absolutely amazing.

    More energy, more confidence, better at everything you do, more alert to the little things in life and overall always in a better mood.

    You literally become the best possible version of yourself.
    Here's an account from a female
    I said I was going to try and not have sex or masturbate well last night I ended up having sex and let me tell you 20 days without masturbating HIGHLY improved sex for me. I was unable to climax before due to my excessive masturbating but I reached climax at least twice last night while having sex. So if you don't know why you are doing this, I would just say hell do it to improve your sexual experience.. I'm still going to try to maintain my no schlicking cause it really made me appreciate sex that much more.

    There will be those of you that know exactly how fulfilling this is. There will be those that are excited to give this a shot because the rewards sound too good to be true. And then there are those that come in, and dismiss it for something that's all in your head... but what you have to give up in return (fapping) is really not that big of a deal (ESPECIALLY for you brahs that are getting laid anyway)

    50 years ago, if you masturbated, you're weird.
    Today, you're weird if you dont.

    Change that **** around brahss. People hide behind the social norm that it's absolutely OK to do it. But be the better man than your peers and use the energy they will never have. This stuff is like IIFYM. I don't care if no one knows about it, it personally benefits me and makes my life a heck of a lot easier. But I feel an obligation to aware my misc brahs so let's do this...



    edit : Skip post #26 if you don't want to be tempted
    edit : Edited the OP a bunch of times so I apologize if it seems a bit unorganized
    Last edited by Preparation; 10-18-2011 at 11:13 AM.
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    37 days in brah, feelsverygoodman
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    I just recently got on that no fap time as well, and it feelsgoodman. I went 10 days a couple weeks ago, then got laid twice, and now I'm back up to 3 days. Bishes be mirin', it's very nice
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    Dr. Kellogg was a strong believer in nutrition, and felt that a simple diet low in sugar and energy, would be paramount in preventing little children from masturbating. Yes, for real. You see, Kellogg felt that masturbation was what was eating away at society and destroying all that was good in the world. You may laugh, but it's proven to cause a number of serious health problems including (but not limited to): insomnia, fatigue, excessive hair-loss, excessive hair growth, weight-loss, weight-gain, blindness, nausea, insanity, gout, cancer, homosexuality, and communism.

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    Day 14 no fap for me. No fapping makes all the difference.

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    Only done it once or twice in the past 15 days

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    Day 2 here. I have decided to stick to this after reading the log posted yesterday. I actually identify with some of the negatives like brain fog and not bring the person you feel you really are. I stopped pronz and fapping. Im exited for this and can't wait to experience another me. I will post updates every Monday. GL brahs
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    Any tips to stop fapping that worked for you?

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    18 days in. no fap october.

    honestly i feel so good i wish i could give it up forever, not gonna lie though up till like day 15-16 was HELL
    i used to fap 4 times a day WITHOUT porn. and still want sex.

    so much more energy

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    Originally Posted by seven11 View Post
    Day 2 here. I have decided to stick to this after reading the log posted yesterday. I actually identify with some of the negatives like brain fog and not bring the person you feel you really are. I stopped pronz and fapping. Im exited for this and can't wait to experience another me. I will post updates every Monday. GL brahs
    Tbh, I've only realized all this 3 weeks ago... Did the whole "Fap every 7 days for testosterone boost" thing.
    On days 4,5,6 i felt like a god. I felt like this new energy is the new me. So I fapped on day 7 (timed it so it would be a Friday) so I wouldnt last 3 pumps.

    But after reading reddits no fap subforum and all the motivation/empirical evidence there... there is no way I'm not gonna give this a shot to make it a more long term thing.

    Whether you take an hour or 5 minutes to fap, there REALLY is no point at all. 8 seconds of pleasure is just not worth it, unless you TRULY don't notice any difference at all (which I personally find it hard to believe) =/
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    today i am making a change....i will not fap thru the rest of 2011, but i will continue to have sex....you seen it here first
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    Originally Posted by dbuds87 View Post
    Any tips to stop fapping that worked for you?
    I know sometimes it could be hard as fuarkk to not fap with just will power.
    But just stay out of the house or do something with it. That energy HAS to go somewhere... don't let it get wasted on a piece of napkin.

    "I think we can all agree, we are here because we all have one weakness in common. We're all addicts and we have reached this point when we couldn't control ourselves anymore and we need support.

    This is no different than drugs, than drinking, than videogames. This is artificial stimulation to get a chemical high. You are controlled right now by those chemical triggers in your brain. Seretonin and dopamine. You've associated masturbation with the good feelings you get from those hormones. And it controls you, it controls me. This is not how free and powerful men live. Control your vices or they will control you.

    I don't know about the rest of you but when I am disciplined I feel better. I feel like a different person. I see a different person in the mirror, I talk different, I walk different, I think different. More aggressive, sharper, quicker, smarter. It's definitely the testosterone. I am not a weak person. I have a strong body but this mental weakness has reduced me to a fraction of what I could be. This struggle and wasted time and effort on this bull****.

    I don't know why I return to the same old routine and lose my edge but it seems like this is something that I will never be rid of. Discipline is a lifelong goal and it gets much easier with time. You can't ever fix your weakness but you can get close the longer you try.
    I've been regaining my discipline for the past few months and it feels good. It feels like withdrawal. I will fight this and I hope not to relapse again. Thanks for reading."



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    Yes. You will still feel a neurochemical hangover you feel with a fapping orgasm, but this will nowhere be as demotivating as one you'd get normally. And it will eventually go to balanced levels. But truthfully, this is just what I've read from reddit's no fap support section. I personally here as a newb myself (with observations of these benefits via 2 separate fap-once-a-week trials)
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    day 19 here, feeling like an animal.
    I have the urge not to fap but to actually go look for some females and aquire more aesthetics to pull bishes.

    Tips:
    -Take it day by day.
    -Try to ditract yourself as much as you can from erotic pics or things that lead to fapping.
    -For those who lift, lift like never before so you re to tired to even fap.

    That last one has helped me alot.

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    Every god damn time I do this I fail. I want to ****ing succeed but at my age my test is just through the roof and the urges are ridiculous. I DO feel a change when i dont fap for even a day or two later. Hopefully I can stick this one out
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    Originally Posted by HollisterAF View Post
    let me fix this..Supplement with Test..Continue to masterbait...problem solved..
    Much more to it than just test brah. The main reason I'm doing this is to get that motivational feeling to do well in school/life/career... be successful! It is literally like addy + coffee X NZT ^ (ec stack)

    Originally Posted by AP12493 View Post
    Every god damn time I do this I fail. I want to ****ing succeed but at my age my test is just through the roof and the urges are ridiculous. I DO feel a change when i dont fap for even a day or two later. Hopefully I can stick this one out
    At the end of the day, it all comes down to your will power. Ask yourself, am I that non-disciplined that I can't keep my hand off my cawk? When you get the urge to do it again today, just remind yourself how good you felt the last time you didnt. And bank on the fact that it will only get better as the days go on.
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    Have not fapped since mid july this year , that makes it like three months already? Feel free to ask away. Also i have dropped caffeine , porn and alcohol. I am so far away from religious folks and their reasons for preaching essentially what i am doing , but thats the difference , i am not going to preach anything. Just that the feeling when you over-come your urges day in and day out make you much more aware just how respsonible you are what happens in your life. Empower yourself stop looking for validation and embrace the frustration as the manifestation of the stronger version of yourself. **** this sounds like some kind of cheap gospel **** but i am agnostic and DONT have anything against alcohol or caffeine , drugs or whatever - just that my goal is to find ways to empower myself long-term over short-term fixes.

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    I am 30 years old and have been fapping since I was 12 I think(don't honestly remember when I started). I did it at least 4 to 5 times a week, some days I would do it 3 to 4 times. I have always been a very passive guy mostly because I was always afraid somebody would find out how much I was fapping and judge me.

    I have been married for 5 years now and that mentality had carried over into my marriage. I was still hiding that I was fapping to porn and would even lie about it because I was so worried about how she would react rather that just telling the truth. I have 2 daughters now, one is almost 4 and the other is 6 months old. I realized with my children and my wife that I needed to try and stop to see what it was like with out fapping and porn. I can honestly say that it is the most incredible feeling to not be hiding anything from my wife(I know that hiding fapping and porn may seem stupid but that was how I was raised, we didn't talk about anything that made us uncomfortable).

    I have been doing this for a couple of months now and it has been one of the hardest things to do mainly because it was something I did for so long. I used to be a smoker way back when and I was able to just stop and walk away from it. I thought that would be how this was going to be but it was far from. My mood was pretty bad for a little while there but it is getting better. You see, I am a stay at home dad and live in a small town where I have only one or two friends. So when I took on this challenge, I was in a tough sitiuation to do it. But, thankfully, I remembered how good working out made me feel about myself and it has been my saving grace.

    I wanted to post here to let everybody know that it can take over your life if you let it. Fapping feels great but for what? 8 seconds of pleasure? Take it from a very happy married man now, it is not worth it for the pleasure. Get the pleasure from a wonderful women that can make all your dreams come true and make you feel like you are king of the mountain, not your hand. I just hope that this story may help some of you realize that not fapping is more than just giving you energy, it gives you a mountain of self confidence in yourself.

    It is hard, but if the great things in life were easy, everybody would be happily married, rich, and not fap, haha!!

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    I used to watch A LOT of porn and found it was affecting my sex life. Porn warpes your mind and it caused problems with me and my girlfriend (now ex). I had unraelistic views on actual real-life sex and because I was fapping so much i actually found it hard to come during sex, it's almost as if my brain/cawk was used to my hand more than an actual vag. I also thought about sex literally every second of everyday, like srs. My mind was a continuous porno, seriously ****ed up

    Weird as fuark.

    Anyway, I stopped fapping all together and watching porn and everything went back to normal, our sex-life was brilliant and there were no problems.

    Porn and regular fapping causes serious problems with your sex-life imo, however obviously this doesn't apply to everyone!

    Split up with my girlfriend and endedup fapping alot and watching porn again, as I started to meet other girls and have other sexual partners, I again found that it was the source of any problems I was having. I stopped, and everything went fine again.

    Fap once in a while, but DO NOT watch porn if you ask me, fair enough a magazine or whatever is cool, but this **** you get online is crazy, and it ****s your head up bigtime brahs.

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    Will start today OP... If i masturbated at 12:30am is today counted as day 1 or is tomorrow day 1 in which case i should have a fap at like 11:30 so tonight and then start tomorrow?

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    Ok guys its been 11 hours and I relapsed. Im gonna try again

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    stopped watching porn, back to the imagination fap of middle school

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    Originally Posted by simplistickhaos View Post
    I am 30 years old and have been fapping since I was 12 I think(don't honestly remember when I started). I did it at least 4 to 5 times a week, some days I would do it 3 to 4 times. I have always been a very passive guy mostly because I was always afraid somebody would find out how much I was fapping and judge me.

    I have been married for 5 years now and that mentality had carried over into my marriage. I was still hiding that I was fapping to porn and would even lie about it because I was so worried about how she would react rather that just telling the truth. I have 2 daughters now, one is almost 4 and the other is 6 months old. I realized with my children and my wife that I needed to try and stop to see what it was like with out fapping and porn. I can honestly say that it is the most incredible feeling to not be hiding anything from my wife(I know that hiding fapping and porn may seem stupid but that was how I was raised, we didn't talk about anything that made us uncomfortable).

    I have been doing this for a couple of months now and it has been one of the hardest things to do mainly because it was something I did for so long. I used to be a smoker way back when and I was able to just stop and walk away from it. I thought that would be how this was going to be but it was far from. My mood was pretty bad for a little while there but it is getting better. You see, I am a stay at home dad and live in a small town where I have only one or two friends. So when I took on this challenge, I was in a tough sitiuation to do it. But, thankfully, I remembered how good working out made me feel about myself and it has been my saving grace.

    I wanted to post here to let everybody know that it can take over your life if you let it. Fapping feels great but for what? 8 seconds of pleasure? Take it from a very happy married man now, it is not worth it for the pleasure. Get the pleasure from a wonderful women that can make all your dreams come true and make you feel like you are king of the mountain, not your hand. I just hope that this story may help some of you realize that not fapping is more than just giving you energy, it gives you a mountain of self confidence in yourself.

    It is hard, but if the great things in life were easy, everybody would be happily married, rich, and not fap, haha!!

    Just some extra motivation, "Find your place in the world, don't let the world find it's place in you"
    Wow very motivating. Appreciate you being honest and typing all that up for all of us. I can't say I would end up like you were before you made the change, but realistically, I'm probably on that route as well. It just seems like a routine... so normal... porn/fapping. But I appreciate the post.

    Originally Posted by shanks1992 View Post
    I used to watch A LOT of porn and found it was affecting my sex life. Porn warpes your mind and it caused problems with me and my girlfriend (now ex). I had unraelistic views on actual real-life sex and because I was fapping so much i actually found it hard to come during sex, it's almost as if my brain/cawk was used to my hand more than an actual vag. I also thought about sex literally every second of everyday, like srs. My mind was a continuous porno, seriously ****ed up

    Weird as fuark.

    Anyway, I stopped fapping all together and watching porn and everything went back to normal, our sex-life was brilliant and there were no problems.

    Porn and regular fapping causes serious problems with your sex-life imo, however obviously this doesn't apply to everyone!

    Split up with my girlfriend and endedup fapping alot and watching porn again, as I started to meet other girls and have other sexual partners, I again found that it was the source of any problems I was having. I stopped, and everything went fine again.

    Fap once in a while, but DO NOT watch porn if you ask me, fair enough a magazine or whatever is cool, but this **** you get online is crazy, and it ****s your head up bigtime brahs.
    If you can, just drop all of these fake women. It doesn't help that your brain is getting activated everytime you see it. It's not fair... if your ancestors saw a potential bish walking around in the forest, he'd try to hunt/impress her to try fornicate with her. What we're essentially doing is fuking with our perception/reality.

    Originally Posted by sickchops View Post
    Will start today OP... If i masturbated at 12:30am is today counted as day 1 or is tomorrow day 1 in which case i should have a fap at like 11:30 so tonight and then start tomorrow?
    Just count tonight as your first night. So tomorrow will be day 2. I personally don't like that "get one last fap" in.. But do what you think is best for your motivation
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    answer me phaggot

    can u still secks or no
    Having more sex is the whole point of it, so yes.
    "that guy is like a damn unicorn" -Evan Centopani on Mamdouh Elsbiay

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