What was there before space (srs)

**ZyzzIsGlory** · 10-04-2011, 12:56 PM

When I think about it, the creation of planets and stars makes sense, but where did those atoms come from?

It blows my mind, atoms and elements couldn't have spontaneously generated..

So what was there before space,atoms, everything?

**ZyzzIsGlory** · 10-04-2011, 12:59 PM

Please respond

**Horsepower29** · 10-04-2011, 12:59 PM

God (dead srs)

**Thread Bomber** · 10-04-2011, 01:00 PM

Non-space

**nick187** · 10-04-2011, 01:00 PM

We don't know.

Some call it God, others call it by other names.

But what triggered that first blast, is a mystery.

**Leem182** · 10-04-2011, 01:01 PM

Stewie Griffin and Brian.

**wulpurgis** · 10-04-2011, 01:01 PM

there was no "before". the basics of the universe are always there, reordering and transforming each other.

the universe is everything. how could something come before it? if it is anything, it's part of the universe.

**ZyzzIsGlory** · 10-04-2011, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by Horsepower29

God (dead srs)

I seem to default on this because it just doesn't make any sense.

**ZyzzIsGlory** · 10-04-2011, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by wulpurgis

there was no "before". the basics of the universe are always there, reordering and transforming each other.

the universe is everything. how could something come before it? if it is anything, it's part of the universe.

How was there no before? How could the universe always have been here? Something had to have caused it?

**cablesbrah** · 10-04-2011, 01:02 PM

**TimeToImprove** · 10-04-2011, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by ZyzzIsGlory

How was there no before? How could the universe always have been here? Something had to have caused it?

Then that something came before the universe. So what came before that something? Something else that triggered that something. So what came before that something of a something?

See what is going on?

**ZyzzIsGlory** · 10-04-2011, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by cablesbrah

**burchboy** · 10-04-2011, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by Horsepower29

God (dead srs)

okay then who created god?

inb4 he wasnt created, hes god

**Bingybing** · 10-04-2011, 01:05 PM

Here you go brah, I think this would interest you. Mr Hawkings gives his thoughts/explanations at the end, but the whole thing is worth watching.

**wulpurgis** · 10-04-2011, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by ZyzzIsGlory

How was there no before? How could the universe always have been here? Something had to have caused it?

no you bastard.

stop thinking in a linear fashion. where did numbers come from? where did "being to the left of something" come from?

it doesn't come from anywhere.

most people think along the analogy of artifacts:

there is someone who wants to make some **** for some reason, so they take something and change it into what they want.

there is: (1) A maker; (2) An intent; (3) A material; (4) A form.

those are Aristotle's 4 causes. they account for manmade things. Man is the maker (efficient cause). He has a need (the final cause). He takes some stuff (the material cause) and changes it into something by making it some new way (the formal cause).

what about the water cycle? we have to use an analogy, but we can see there is no person and no intent.

there is: (1) Something that gets the process going; (2) The way the process works; (3) The stuff that is being processed; (4) The form the process takes.

This is a process metaphysics. Processes are basic, not things.

Namely, Nature, which to the Greeks meant "emergence", is the driver of all things. Nature is a process, it isn't static. There is no beginning or end to Nature! Nature is a happening, an event. It is temporal, it is in time, it is changing and moving.

/philosophy

**Duck1ngS1ck** · 10-04-2011, 01:08 PM

I believe the universe has no beginning or end for they're one in the same. The universe's expansion will lead to an implosion which will start the cycle over once again.

**ZyzzIsGlory** · 10-04-2011, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by Bingybing

Here you go brah, I think this would interest you. Mr Hawkings gives his thoughts/explanations at the end, but the whole thing is worth watching.

Interesting.

**wulpurgis** · 10-04-2011, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by Duck1ngS1ck

I believe the universe has no beginning or end for they're one in the same. The universe's expansion will lead to an implosion which will start the cycle over once again.

it is likely. notice the origin of the word "end". we tend to think that the end of something is the cessation of that thing. but it can also be understood more neutrally as a place, as when one travels end to end.

too much linear thinking can create strange models / understandings of the world

**chashma0** · 10-04-2011, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by wulpurgis

no you bastard.

stop thinking in a linear fashion. where did numbers come from? where did "being to the left of something" come from?

it doesn't come from anywhere.

most people think along the analogy of artifacts:

there is someone who wants to make some **** for some reason, so they take something and change it into what they want.

there is: (1) A maker; (2) An intent; (3) A material; (4) A form.

those are Aristotle's 4 causes. they account for manmade things. Man is the maker (efficient cause). He has a need (the final cause). He takes some stuff (the material cause) and changes it into something by making it some new way (the formal cause).

what about the water cycle? we have to use an analogy, but we can see there is no person and no intent.

there is: (1) Something that gets the process going; (2) The way the process works; (3) The stuff that is being processed; (4) The form the process takes.

This is a process metaphysics. Processes are basic, not things.

Namely, Nature, which to the Greeks meant "emergence", is the driver of all things. Nature is a process, it isn't static. There is no beginning or end to Nature! Nature is a happening, an event. It is temporal, it is in time, it is changing and moving.

/philosophy

lol at taking metaphysics seriously

**JustBleed** · 10-04-2011, 01:18 PM

hipsters i believe

**wulpurgis** · 10-04-2011, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by chashma0

lol at taking metaphysics seriously

yeah, **** science it's all gay. i agree, thank you for clearly and succinctly refuting me point by point!

**welshbrah** · 10-04-2011, 01:23 PM

Who knows? Crazy to think about.

It's said there were only a few basic elements at the start though, the rest were created by/in stars!

**Noobyy** · 10-04-2011, 01:27 PM

previous universe, everything expands then contracts. Impossible to survive the end of the universe

**iForce Dave** · 10-04-2011, 01:32 PM

there was nothing

/atheism

**pbplayer1921** · 10-04-2011, 01:33 PM

Just whiteness.

**C411911** · 10-04-2011, 01:34 PM

iForce Dave's butthole

**nick187** · 10-04-2011, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by C411911

iForce Dave's butthole

Is such a thing even possible ?

**Wiley87** · 10-04-2011, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by Leem182

Stewie Griffin and Brian.

**Bababooey100** · 10-04-2011, 01:37 PM

Xzibit theory. Yo dog I heard you like black holes.......we're in a black hole in a fractally larger universe and there's other universes fractally smaller then ours inside black holes in our universe. Or Aliens.

**chashma0** · 10-04-2011, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by wulpurgis

yeah, **** science it's all gay. i agree, thank you for clearly and succinctly refuting me point by point!

metaphysics=/= science sorry bro

Originally Posted by iForce Dave

there was nothing

/atheism

Give me a couple of quotes of atheists saying that on this forum. There are a lot fo atheists, so I'm sure you can find someone who has said this. OR any atheist as a matter of fact.

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