Well, the "rumor" is that certain "boys in Florida" who are cranking out those "special prohormones" are about to launch this one:
4-chloro-11-keto-17a-methyltestosterone under the name "Oxogynox" or something like that. That is a horrific name for a supplement that men are supposed to take but the "Oviedo gurus" aren't exactly super bright anyhow.
Rumor is this will be a 5mg capsule and a 90 count bottle. My insider tells me to look for it in 2-3 weeks.
This one looks to be pretty damned cool on paper...well at least per the Vida tables. PA wrote about it a few years back and it looks like someone is ripping off his idea.
I wonder if PA would be willing to chime in now to discuss this? Info from Julius Vida makes this look like it is impossible or a mistake. A:A is 121.5!!! 700% more anabolic as methyltest and only 6% as androgenic?!? Is this a typo? Is this even possible?
I'm hoping someone actually tests this stuff (that's a huge hint) because I can't see how they could get a ketone at C-11 but maybe someone with more organic chemistry knowledge than I have could chime in here (how would you protect the other functional groups?) and discuss it?
I can't see this being a monster mass builder at all and for my two cents this is likely to be more like an "Anavarish" type of thing ("Turbovar" might have been a better name for it if this is indeed the real deal and the Vida tables are indeed not misprinted). Probably only useful as a cutter type thing, I bet its going to be a real waste of time and money for people looking to bulk/gain a lot of mass. I can't see it being used for anything else that someone looking for strength only type gains or on a massive cut.
But 6% as androgenc as regular methyltest?!? This would however make this product about the safest thing WRT to sides ever seen as well as something *maybe* a woman could actually use in a very small dose...if indeed the stuff is really what its supposed to be - and that has yet to be proven. Too bad you can cut a capsule in half - bummer!
I'm still looking to see who is making stuff for these guys in Japan. The "buzz" was Shionogi but I do not believe this for one minute to be frank!
The timing for this could not be worse though IMHO and these guys are gonna get it bad. Why didn't someone or these idiots launch this like 2-3 years ago?!? Now a year out from the Olympics?!? Big mistake guys, big mistake!
FDA is gonna be ALL over this one and fast I guarantee it!
Anyhow...this is the "buzz" - oh and you guys in Oviedo, Florida do not need to thank me for "outing" this
Rep points to someone who can conclusively prove this stuff is or is not made by Shionogi in Japan - I can't see a major pharma going this route, do I smell BS. But I want to prove it.
Also, rep points to the 1st person who can post a scan of the capsules and the container.