Rumors, rumors - Big Spoiler Inside for the Florida Guys!

[Kohen_Gadol]

Well, the "rumor" is that certain "boys in Florida" who are cranking out those "special prohormones" are about to launch this one:

4-chloro-11-keto-17a-methyltestosterone under the name "Oxogynox" or something like that. That is a horrific name for a supplement that men are supposed to take but the "Oviedo gurus" aren't exactly super bright anyhow.

Rumor is this will be a 5mg capsule and a 90 count bottle. My insider tells me to look for it in 2-3 weeks.

This one looks to be pretty damned cool on paper...well at least per the Vida tables. PA wrote about it a few years back and it looks like someone is ripping off his idea.

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/article...evelopment.htm

I wonder if PA would be willing to chime in now to discuss this? Info from Julius Vida makes this look like it is impossible or a mistake. A:A is 121.5!!! 700% more anabolic as methyltest and only 6% as androgenic?!? Is this a typo? Is this even possible?


I'm hoping someone actually tests this stuff (that's a huge hint) because I can't see how they could get a ketone at C-11 but maybe someone with more organic chemistry knowledge than I have could chime in here (how would you protect the other functional groups?) and discuss it?

I can't see this being a monster mass builder at all and for my two cents this is likely to be more like an "Anavarish" type of thing ("Turbovar" might have been a better name for it if this is indeed the real deal and the Vida tables are indeed not misprinted). Probably only useful as a cutter type thing, I bet its going to be a real waste of time and money for people looking to bulk/gain a lot of mass. I can't see it being used for anything else that someone looking for strength only type gains or on a massive cut.

But 6% as androgenc as regular methyltest?!? This would however make this product about the safest thing WRT to sides ever seen as well as something *maybe* a woman could actually use in a very small dose...if indeed the stuff is really what its supposed to be - and that has yet to be proven. Too bad you can cut a capsule in half - bummer!

I'm still looking to see who is making stuff for these guys in Japan. The "buzz" was Shionogi but I do not believe this for one minute to be frank!

The timing for this could not be worse though IMHO and these guys are gonna get it bad. Why didn't someone or these idiots launch this like 2-3 years ago?!? Now a year out from the Olympics?!? Big mistake guys, big mistake!

FDA is gonna be ALL over this one and fast I guarantee it!

Anyhow...this is the "buzz" - oh and you guys in Oviedo, Florida do not need to thank me for "outing" this

Rep points to someone who can conclusively prove this stuff is or is not made by Shionogi in Japan - I can't see a major pharma going this route, do I smell BS. But I want to prove it.

Also, rep points to the 1st person who can post a scan of the capsules and the container.

You're welcome!

[pu12en12g]

"Oxogynox" or something like that.

L M F A O

[punksurfer024]

dont burn all oviedo ppl.....thats where i grew up

[Mike83]

L M F A O

lol

[Patrick Arnold]

Well, the "rumor" is that certain "boys in Florida" who are cranking out those "special prohormones" are about to launch this one:

4-chloro-11-keto-17a-methyltestosterone under the name "Oxogynox" or something like that. That is a horrific name for a supplement that men are supposed to take but the "Oviedo gurus" aren't exactly super bright anyhow.

Rumor is this will be a 5mg capsule and a 90 count bottle. My insider tells me to look for it in 2-3 weeks.

This one looks to be pretty damned cool on paper...well at least per the Vida tables. PA wrote about it a few years back and it looks like someone is ripping off his idea.

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/article...evelopment.htm

I wonder if PA would be willing to chime in now to discuss this? Info from Julius Vida makes this look like it is impossible or a mistake. A:A is 121.5!!! 700% more anabolic as methyltest and only 6% as androgenic?!? Is this a typo? Is this even possible?


I'm hoping someone actually tests this stuff (that's a huge hint) because I can't see how they could get a ketone at C-11 but maybe someone with more organic chemistry knowledge than I have could chime in here (how would you protect the other functional groups?) and discuss it?

I can't see this being a monster mass builder at all and for my two cents this is likely to be more like an "Anavarish" type of thing ("Turbovar" might have been a better name for it if this is indeed the real deal and the Vida tables are indeed not misprinted). Probably only useful as a cutter type thing, I bet its going to be a real waste of time and money for people looking to bulk/gain a lot of mass. I can't see it being used for anything else that someone looking for strength only type gains or on a massive cut.

But 6% as androgenc as regular methyltest?!? This would however make this product about the safest thing WRT to sides ever seen as well as something *maybe* a woman could actually use in a very small dose...if indeed the stuff is really what its supposed to be - and that has yet to be proven. Too bad you can cut a capsule in half - bummer!

I'm still looking to see who is making stuff for these guys in Japan. The "buzz" was Shionogi but I do not believe this for one minute to be frank!

The timing for this could not be worse though IMHO and these guys are gonna get it bad. Why didn't someone or these idiots launch this like 2-3 years ago?!? Now a year out from the Olympics?!? Big mistake guys, big mistake!

FDA is gonna be ALL over this one and fast I guarantee it!

Anyhow...this is the "buzz" - oh and you guys in Oviedo, Florida do not need to thank me for "outing" this

Rep points to someone who can conclusively prove this stuff is or is not made by Shionogi in Japan - I can't see a major pharma going this route, do I smell BS. But I want to prove it.

Also, rep points to the 1st person who can post a scan of the capsules and the container.

You're welcome!

certainly this can be made, its just a matter of how much you wanna spend. now just cuz it has an impressive ratio and activity it does not mean its not liver toxic and will make you feel like **** like other dissapointments of the past. then again, from its structure i will say it has promise

that is if it really contains what it is supposed to

[krusha]

may i ask what "special hormones" these "boys in florida" are cranking out currently? just wondering..

[Kohen_Gadol]

certainly this can be made, its just a matter of how much you wanna spend. now just cuz it has an impressive ratio and activity it does not mean its not liver toxic and will make you feel like **** like other dissapointments of the past. then again, from its structure i will say it has promise

that is if it really contains what it is supposed to

Very key point you make Patrick - "if" it contains what it is supposed to.
Wouldn't this be exceedingly expensive to make/difficult to make?

Since there probably isn't a readily available commercial standard to test against, what would you think the best way to verify "what" is the active in this stuff?

Lets be honest - supplements companies are usually cheap. If this is tough to make/expensive, what's the likelihood it is "what they claim" it is?

You say it has "promise" but even you wrote you had doubts about the numbers in the Vida table. Is it possible these are typos or do you REALLY think this is the real deal?

[Zachattack43]

I havent gotten that far in the VIDA book

[kappaz]

I can't see this being a monster mass builder at all and for my two cents this is likely to be more like an "Anavarish" type of thing ("Turbovar" might have been a better name for it if this is indeed the real deal and the Vida tables are indeed not misprinted). Probably only useful as a cutter type thing, I bet its going to be a real waste of time and money for people looking to bulk/gain a lot of mass. I can't see it being used for anything else that someone looking for strength only type gains or on a massive cut.

Why would they bother producing this?

[deserusan]

I didn't know Ricky Martin made a book. Wah wah wah.....

I mean IDS isn't that cheap are they?

[ChiTown72]

What shell companies are they using and what are they doing? This is all news to me

[Kohen_Gadol]

Why would they bother producing this?

For the same reason they would try to trademark the name "stenbolone" I guess.

Is it a useful product? Yeah, maybe in small doses for women and for guys looking for "Anavar" type gains (can't see many of them around but what do I know - might be good for athletes concerned more about performance that size). So I guess it is useful.

Are there cheaper alternatives? I think there are!

Is this the "real stuff?" - well...who knows!!!

I bet its not gonna be cheap though. I'm also guessing, when comparing the profile of this stuff to oxandrolone that your probably are only gonna need 10mg a day, maybe 15mg.

And as PA mentioned...who knows if it is toxic or not? There is not a lot of data available in English on this.

Then again...could be the best stuff since sliced bread for all I know.

I'm just getting tired of seeing all this crap, thats all.

BK

[Kohen_Gadol]

I didn't know Ricky Martin made a book. Wah wah wah.....

I mean IDS isn't that cheap are they?

You mean you're not going to do your trademarked "Des Investigative Super Story" aka DISS(tm) on this product? I am SOOOOOO DISSappointed!

These shells and their "here today - gone tomorrow" prods just grate on my nerves these days.

[sonicology]

BK and PA discussing the chemisty of a new mystery hormone on bb.com?

This thread has the potential to be more entertaining than 90% of the movies released this year!

[Alpine]

BK and PA discussing the chemisty of a new mystery hormone on bb.com?

This thread has the potential to be more entertaining than 90% of the movies released this year!

No doubt.

From my post on the Welcome back PA thread:

The King has returned! Welcome Back PA.

Why dont you and BK just team up and dominate the supplement industry?

We all know what the big sku's are. We also know what you guys have an affinity for.

As for this new hormone. Sounds amazing - can the Vida numbers be accurate? There is nothing quite like this...
How about this, If these guys dont end up bringing this to market then one of you guys do it.

Im going to trademark "TurboVar®"

btw, Pat, how did your guys at Giant smoke USPLabs (and numerous others) by getting a 50% 6-keto cissus so quick? They originated this product and couldnt even source it before you. I knew you had connections but damn.

[ianthegreat]

hrmm..

[silicon_mayhem_]

No doubt.

From my post on the Welcome back PA thread:


As for this new hormone. Sounds amazing - can the Vida numbers be accurate? There is nothing quite like this...
How about this, If these guys dont end up bringing this to market then one of you guys do it.

Im going to trademark "TurboVar®"

Dude... your man boobs are freaking me out.

[Alpine]

Dude... your man boobs are freaking me out.

boobs? what are you talkin about?

Sweet tats huh?

[Mr. Aries]

why not just wait until it comes out to the market first instead of sitting here and speculating about it..

I'm sure the dosage of the pills and the price of the product will be quite obvious when the bottle is sittin' on the shelf

[Serpens Aeon]

why not just wait until it comes out to the market first instead of sitting here and speculating about it..

Because there's no fun in that?

[sonicology]

why not just wait until it comes out to the market first instead of sitting here and speculating about it

but the speculating is fun

so this compound is apparently an incredibly weak androgen - is it likely to display any degree of progestational activity?

[Kohen_Gadol]

but the speculating is fun

so this compound is apparently an incredibly weak androgen - is it likely to display any degree of progestational activity?

I don't think so. I'm speculating here...I have no clue about the RBA and am going just in what is in Vida. It seems to be almost non-androgenic. Or as close as you can get to being non-androgenic.

Now I can't say if it is toxic or not...PA is right. So who knows?

But on paper, this looks to be as close to a pure anabolic as anything and certainly more so than anything else in all of Vida.

I just have my doubts as to whether this is the "real thing" - so I am hoping someone tests it.

This is the compound...a Chinese buddy of mine asked about it and if I "wanted it" - said 10kg of it went to Florida 2 weeks ago.

So it's absolutely being used in a product.

I guess time will tell. Might be nice...for small women!

BK

[ab-swing asianbabe]

I don't think so. I'm speculating here...I have no clue about the RBA and am going just in what is in Vida. It seems to be almost non-androgenic. Or as close as you can get to being non-androgenic.

Now I can't say if it is toxic or not...PA is right. So who knows?

But on paper, this looks to be as close to a pure anabolic as anything and certainly more so than anything else in all of Vida.

I just have my doubts as to whether this is the "real thing" - so I am hoping someone tests it.

This is the compound...a Chinese buddy of mine asked about it and if I "wanted it" - said 10kg of it went to Florida 2 weeks ago.

So it's absolutely being used in a product.

I guess time will tell. Might be nice...for small women!

BK

what about small women!? don't let myself and nessy get onto ya!

[ElMariachi]

what about small women!? don't let myself and nessy get onto ya!

Is that a threat or a promise?

[deserusan]

You mean you're not going to do your trademarked "Des Investigative Super Story" aka DISS(tm) on this product? I am SOOOOOO DISSappointed!

These shells and their "here today - gone tomorrow" prods just grate on my nerves these days.

Meh....I look at it this way. There will always be people dumb enough to buy crap like this. It's a form of population control.

[madlaw]

suscribed

[Patrick Arnold]

Very key point you make Patrick - "if" it contains what it is supposed to.
Wouldn't this be exceedingly expensive to make/difficult to make?

Since there probably isn't a readily available commercial standard to test against, what would you think the best way to verify "what" is the active in this stuff?

Lets be honest - supplements companies are usually cheap. If this is tough to make/expensive, what's the likelihood it is "what they claim" it is?

You say it has "promise" but even you wrote you had doubts about the numbers in the Vida table. Is it possible these are typos or do you REALLY think this is the real deal?

I don't think it would be too hard to make. bacteria can add the oxygen at 11. so you can take methyltest and ferment it and get 11-oxo methyltest. Then adding the chlorine at 4 is a cinch.

GC/MS would work pretty well in identifying it.

high anabolic potency numbers really don't mean the compound will make you grow more than other compounds. Just means it is anabolic at a lower dose than others.

so my guess is that this compound would be like the old halodrol except the active dose lower


oh, and after looking at the numbers in Vida I am highly skeptical. 780:6 ratio? yeah right.

[Patrick Arnold]

For the same reason they would try to trademark the name "stenbolone" I guess.

Is it a useful product? Yeah, maybe in small doses for women and for guys looking for "Anavar" type gains (can't see many of them around but what do I know - might be good for athletes concerned more about performance that size). So I guess it is useful.

Are there cheaper alternatives? I think there are!

Is this the "real stuff?" - well...who knows!!!

I bet its not gonna be cheap though. I'm also guessing, when comparing the profile of this stuff to oxandrolone that your probably are only gonna need 10mg a day, maybe 15mg.

And as PA mentioned...who knows if it is toxic or not? There is not a lot of data available in English on this.

Then again...could be the best stuff since sliced bread for all I know.

I'm just getting tired of seeing all this crap, thats all.

BK

why did i go to prison for tiny amounts of THG, norbolethone, and DMT while others sell tons of whatever designer compound they want with impunity?

[Patrick Arnold]

No doubt.

From my post on the Welcome back PA thread:


As for this new hormone. Sounds amazing - can the Vida numbers be accurate? There is nothing quite like this...
How about this, If these guys dont end up bringing this to market then one of you guys do it.

Im going to trademark "TurboVar®"

btw, Pat, how did your guys at Giant smoke USPLabs (and numerous others) by getting a 50% 6-keto cissus so quick? They originated this product and couldnt even source it before you. I knew you had connections but damn.

ask matt, he sourced the stuff

[deserusan]

why did i go to prison for tiny amounts of THG, norbolethone, and DMT while others sell tons of whatever designer compound they want with impunity?

...because you are the Godfather!