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    you don't have to lift HEAVY to get big!?

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    Depends, some people can grow off just tons of volume with moderate weight. There's no absolute, genetics play too big of a role. That being said, I would never watch these guys for advice. I listened to some stuff they were saying about prohormones and couldn't stop laughing.
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    Originally Posted by RH08 View Post
    Depends, some people can grow off just tons of volume with moderate weight. There's no absolute, genetics play too big of a role. That being said, I would never watch these guys for advice. I listened to some stuff they were saying about prohormones and couldn't stop laughing.
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    I have watched loads of those guys' videos and i use to think they knew there stuff.

    Guess what when they were 19 or 20 they experimented with pro hormones. ALso they use to be in the marines. Thus thats a reason why they are in great shape. Plus they are around 35 years of age. I looked at the before picture when they use to never lift weights seriously, this happened just after the marines. You know what, there before pictures weren't to shabby.

    I disagrew with alot of what they say. You need to lift heavy to grow, they don't think very much.

    They don't deadlift nor do they squat. One of them can't squat because of a back injury. But the other one choses not to do either. Both of them don't deadlift or squat. This ends my thoughts about them.
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    I do not believe you have to lift heavy to get big/strong. Except for select exercises, I use anywhere from 20 to 30 reps and sometimes more.
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    Bull****.

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    Heavier weights = more muscle recruitment.

    Keep curling 30 lbs all your life.

    I do not believe you have to lift heavy to get big/strong. Except for select exercises, I use anywhere from 20 to 30 reps and sometimes more.
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    Depends on what one's definition of 'heavy' is. If you only trained with 10-15 reps, assuming this doesn't qualify as heavy, (well I don't think it does), then of course you could pack on some size, but by not doing low reps you're limiting yourself by not training all of the muscle fibres worth training for size.
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    So Ronnie wasted his time doing 800x2 deadlifts when he could have gotten that back using light weights?
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    Best thing to do is mix things up...Try working up to a couple of heavy sets, then drop the weight and do 5x10 or something...Simple stupid = Results.

    I have always trained for strength and I have steadily been getting bigger and bigger each year, all while my lifts are sky-rocketing each year. I don't understand how people can just go to the gym and rep sht out but not want to move the most amount of weight you can and then try and beat it in the next few weeks...I get huge satisfaction in getting PRs in my training.
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    This topic is always discussed in extremes and absolutes. Even these guys say you need a decent amount of strength to put on size. What they say is true, if you're benching between 160-200 15-20 reps you're going to be significantly larger than someone like myself who probably can't do 100, and you'll probably be 'impressive.'

    The problem on their side is that 'big' comes in many sizes, there's big, there's ripped, and then there's pro body builder big and it depends on your goals whether moderate weight is enough to get you the results you want.

    The other problem on the opposite side is always "Yeah well you'll never get big lifting 5 lb.s thousands of times!" If the pro-lightweight high volume side says yeah you can, then I invite them to prove it, but like in this video, they never made outlandish claims like that.
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    Well I think what they mean is that you can stay in a high rep range around 10-12 reps and get just as big as if you lifted really heavy. If your adding weight then you should have no problem getting big. Muscles know failure it doesn't matter if it's 225 to failure or 300. If you bench 225 10 times it's the same as doing 265 5 times. Both are failure and lifting those weights until you can't anymore. Both 225x10 and 265x5 = 300lb bench maxes. Why ruin your joints? If it doesn't hurt now it will later.

    Like they said if you lift heavy alot your always gonna want to beat your record and one day when you have 400+ on there some **** is gonna get snapped up!
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    Patty Doyle

    Paddy Doyle - One of the Most Prolific Record Breakers

    To date, Paddy Doyle holds 200 national, European and world fitness and martial arts records.

    He has numerous records in push-ups, back-pack running, static wall sit, gym stair climber, sit-ups, step ups, squats, burpees, squat thrusts, weight lifting, brick carrying, coal bag carrying, log carrying, shuttle sprints, boxing, karate full contact, martial arts, and combined disciplines.

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    This guy doesn't lift heavy very often but he lifts like crazy with the body weight exercises and moderate weight. Does he have size? I don't see it.








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    OP, this is what I think:

    These twins certainly aren't big by my estimation. You lift like them if you want, but my money's on applying weight to the bar.

    That is all.
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    Originally Posted by KeithTheSnake View Post
    OP, this is what I think:

    These twins certainly aren't big by my estimation. You lift like them if you want, but my money's on applying weight to the bar.

    That is all.


    You can't expect to get much bigger naturally. They aren't jay cutler but unless your on the juice you won't be either.
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    This guy is not bodybuilder. He does not follow bodybuilding routine.
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    Paddy Doyle - One of the Most Prolific Record Breakers

    To date, Paddy Doyle holds 200 national, European and world fitness and martial arts records.

    He has numerous records in push-ups, back-pack running, static wall sit, gym stair climber, sit-ups, step ups, squats, burpees, squat thrusts, weight lifting, brick carrying, coal bag carrying, log carrying, shuttle sprints, boxing, karate full contact, martial arts, and combined disciplines.

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    This guy doesn't lift heavy very often but he lifts like crazy with the body weight exercises and moderate weight. Does he have size? I don't see it.








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    Originally Posted by bigdog123 View Post
    This guy is not bodybuilder. He does not follow bodybuilding routine.
    That's kind of the point. Your going to have a hard time finding bodybuilders that don't lift heavy. When you do find them they aren't really bodybuilders because they don't make much progress. The guy I mentioned must of had some serious training to pull off the feats he did. If you could get big without lifting heavy then he would have some size to him but look at the records he holds and look at his size. It made sense to me .
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    225 lbs for benching is not light, at least for me because after 10 years of lifting I can't bench 225 even for 1 rep. I can stop the bar from coming down but I can't move it up more than an inch and the spotter has to help me get it up the rest of the way. I beleive I can bench my bodyweight 20 times or at least get close to it but I mostly use hammer strength machines or dumbbells for benching and never trained consistently with barbell benching due to not having a spotter and when I do get a spotter sometimes I get a spotter that does a bad job spotting me. If benching 225 lbs is light enough for a particular person to be able to do high reps with that weight then mostly likely they are huge.
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    If you cant bench 225 for 1 after 10 years of lifting, you are doing it wrong.
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    Originally Posted by Protege385 View Post
    If you cant bench 225 for 1 after 10 years of lifting, you are doing it wrong.
    I think I know what I"m doing wrong. I don't train consistently on the barbell bench press and once in a while I might do barbell benching just to see where my performance is at in that exercise and sometimes even stick with it for 3 weeks and then leave barball benching for many months and use dumbbells and machines for my chest.
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    Originally Posted by MuscleGainer View Post
    If benching 225 lbs is light enough for a particular person to be able to do high reps with that weight then mostly likely they are huge.
    Not necessarily, but i do see your point.

    There are heaps of people that can throw around 225x8-10 reps and are not huge. Not sure if you heard of music man on here but he can throw up 225x8 but is only small at 5'10 165
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    These guys are bull****. Look at their Glutamine video.
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    Originally Posted by Ironlife View Post
    Not necessarily, but i do see your point.

    There are heaps of people that can throw around 225x8-10 reps and are not huge. Not sure if you heard of music man on here but he can throw up 225x8 but is only small at 5'10 165
    8-10 reps is not high reps. I'm talking about going over 12 reps. Also at the gym anyone that I see benching 225+ for reps has good size. However, I do know that there are people that are strong for their size.
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    Originally Posted by BulkingGorrilla View Post
    I have watched loads of those guys' videos and i use to think they knew there stuff.

    Guess what when they were 19 or 20 they experimented with pro hormones. ALso they use to be in the marines. Thus thats a reason why they are in great shape. Plus they are around 35 years of age. I looked at the before picture when they use to never lift weights seriously, this happened just after the marines. You know what, there before pictures weren't to shabby.

    I disagrew with alot of what they say. You need to lift heavy to grow, they don't think very much.

    They don't deadlift nor do they squat. One of them can't squat because of a back injury. But the other one choses not to do either. Both of them don't deadlift or squat. This ends my thoughts about them.
    Get your information right. They BOTH have rather severe back injuries. Of course they aren't going to deadlift or squat. Not that those exercises are necessary--leg press works for them.

    And their "before" pictures look like ****. They were skinny-fat and could get 4 reps with 135 on the bench. At 6'1" (or however tall they are), it doesn't get much worse than that.
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    how can this come up so often...

    There is a direct 100% proven correlation between lifting heavy and size gainz.....IF said trainee is eating enough calories.

    Size is manipulated by food
    Strength is manipulated by training style

    doesnt matter wat u say or do...size gains are only gonna occur if u are in positive calorie surplus...no amt of reps and weight is ever gonna change that.
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    Originally Posted by stevie427 View Post
    I do not believe you have to lift heavy to get big/strong. Except for select exercises, I use anywhere from 20 to 30 reps and sometimes more.
    Good luck with your goal to be in the Bolshoi Ballet.
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    Originally Posted by AirForceV View Post
    Bull****.

    Bull****.

    Bull****.


    Heavier weights = more muscle recruitment.

    Keep curling 30 lbs all your life.



    sweet aerobics.


    I curl 60 lbs 20-25 reps for 3 sets?
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    Originally Posted by VoxExMachina View Post
    Good luck with your goal to be in the Bolshoi Ballet.



    May I ask how strong you are?
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    I can use 30 pounders on kickbacks.
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    they look black to me.
    therefore, no, they don't have to lift heavy.

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