You only need 120 grams of protein a day.

[proteinsaver198]

Listen I don\\\'t care what all of the broscientists say. I have conclusive evidence you only need 120 grams of protein MAX!

Maybe even less. So how did I get this number? Well with some great new data and some state-of-the-art mathematics I was able to calculate this.

A recent paper (Am J Clin Nutr 2011;94:795–803)indicates that, after resistance exercise, 25 grams of whey is able to maximally stimulate MPS for at least 5 hours! We don\\\'t know wether it\\\'s longer because they didn\\\'t measure it. Now there are 24 hours in a day so 24/5x25= 120 grams of protein a day.

Broscience myth busted.

Discuss.

[Siafu4Life]

Listen I don\'t care what all of the broscientist say. I have conclusive evidence you need 120 grams at MAX!

Maybe even less. So how did I get this number? Well with some great new data and some state-of-the-art mathematics I was able to calculate this.

A recent paper (Am J Clin Nutr 2011;94:795–803)indicates that, after resistance exercise, 25 grams of whey is able to maximally stimulate MPS for at least 5 hours! We don\'t know wether it\'s longer because they didn\'t measure it. Now there are 24 hours in a day so 24/5x25= 120 grams of protein a day.

Broscience myth busted.

Discuss.

You may just receive the award for "Fail Thread of the Day". Congratulations. And all of this while popping your "BB.com Post Virginity?"

*Edit* - There is nothing to discuss.

[BR0DIE]

Strong first post

[ven33]

Strong Username to post title....GTFO OP.

[proteinsaver198]

Broscientist still in denial.

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You may just receive the award for \"Fail Thread of the Day\". Congratulations. And all of this while popping your \"BB.com Post Virginity?\"

[WonderPug]

Epic fail.

Nitrogen balance techniques suggest that the protein requirements to attain zero nitrogen balance in those that engage in resistance training range from 1.2–2.2 grams of protein per kg of bodyweight [1-6]. FYI: 1.2 grams per kg = 0.54 grams per pound and 2.2 grams per kg = 1 gram per pound of bodyweight.

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1. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14971434
2. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15798080
3. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1763249
4. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11023001
5. http://sportsci.org/jour/9901/rbk.html
6. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15212752

[NegatronPrime]

Im going to be using this one a lot.

[vitornoob]

[proteinsaver198]

Epic fail.

Nitrogen balance techniques suggest that the protein requirements to attain zero nitrogen balance in those that engage in resistance training range from 1.2–2.2 grams of protein per kg of bodyweight [1-6]. FYI: 1.2 grams per kg = 0.54 grams per pound and 2.2 grams per kg = 1 gram per pound of bodyweight.


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Dunning Kruger effect demonstrated here. The papers you cited do NOT I REPEAT DO NOT support your broscientific conclusions. Indeed, authors of 4 of the 6 papers you cite argue you only need a protein intake at around the RDA (0.8g/kg).

WonderPug is the epitome of what is wrong with this section.

[proteinsaver198]

I love how nobody -outside broscientist WP- discussed my data just because it didn\'t fit their bias.

You should crusify WP for misinterpreting data, not me.

[Siafu4Life]

Dunning Kruger effect demonstrated here. The papers you cited do NOT I REPEAT DO NOT support your broscientific conclusions. Indeed, authors of 4 of the 6 papers you cite argue you only need a protein intake at around the RDA (0.8g/kg).

WonderPug is the epitome of what is wrong with this section.

And here I thought the epitome of what was wrong this section is ******* OP's going from green to red, in less than three posts. GTFO already!!

[WonderPug]

Dunning Kruger effect demonstrated here. The papers you cited do NOT I REPEAT DO NOT support your broscientific conclusions. Indeed, authors of 4 of the 6 papers you cite argue you only need a protein intake at around the RDA (0.8g/kg).

It's you r^10.


FYI: Please see here for an excellent primer on protein requirements in our population.

[proteinsaver198]

Epic fail.

Nitrogen balance techniques suggest that the protein requirements to attain zero nitrogen balance in those that engage in resistance training range from 1.2–2.2 grams of protein per kg of bodyweight [1-6]. FYI: 1.2 grams per kg = 0.54 grams per pound and 2.2 grams per kg = 1 gram per pound of bodyweight.

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And lmao how you call this an epic fail because for an 80 kg male, 120 grams is 1.5 gr/kg. I see wisdom doesn\\\'t come with age.

[Cumulonimbus]

Ready for copy pastas and pubmed abstracts.

[Siafu4Life]

I love how nobody -outside broscientist WP- discussed my data just because it didn\'t fit their bias.

You should crusify WP for misinterpreting data, not me.

We did not crucify you...you're just an idiot. And wrong.

[Dexter3000]

Epic fail.

Nitrogen balance techniques suggest that the protein requirements to attain zero nitrogen balance in those that engage in resistance training range from 1.2–2.2 grams of protein per kg of bodyweight [1-6]. FYI: 1.2 grams per kg = 0.54 grams per pound and 2.2 grams per kg = 1 gram per pound of bodyweight.

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1. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14971434
2. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15798080
3. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1763249
4. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11023001
5. http://sportsci.org/jour/9901/rbk.html
6. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15212752

Dunning Kruger effect demonstrated here. The papers you cited do NOT I REPEAT DO NOT support your broscientific conclusions. Indeed, authors of 4 of the 6 papers you cite argue you only need a protein intake at around the RDA (0.8g/kg).

WonderPug is the epitome of what is wrong with this section.

Weight: 90 kg
Protein range: 1.2g/kg - 2.2g/kg

Requirement according to first post above: 1.2 - 2.2 * 90 = 108 - 198 grams.

Just sayin.

[proteinsaver198]

It\'s you r^10. Welcome to yet another troll account of yours


FYI: Please excellent primer on protein requirements in our population.

I\'ve read them all, brother. It\'s not my fault that you have no clue what you\'re talking about.

[NegatronPrime]

You're an idiot. Why are you green?

[Cumulonimbus]

You're an idiot. Why are you green?

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[WonderPug]

^ He rep'ed himself from one of his non-troll accounts.

I\'ve read them all, brother. It\'s not my fault that you have no clue what you\'re talking about.

Why did you just rep your troll account from one of your primary accounts?

The Internet. Yes, there are audit trails everywhere....

[proteinsaver198]

Why are you green?

Because some people just want to know the truth. No matter how inconvenient.

Besides, why are so many people shocked to hear ~1.5gr/kg is sufficient in a hypercaloric state. My conclusion is in total support with the rest of the literature.

[WonderPug]

Besides, why are so many people shocked to here ~1.5gr/kg is sufficient in a hypercaloric state. My conclusion is in total support with the rest of the literature.

As you know, protein requirements are higher in a hypocaloric state and many here are seeking a positive nitrogen balance.

[NegatronPrime]

Besides, why are so many people shocked to here ~1.5gr/kg is sufficient in a hypercaloric state.

Your OP says nothing about a hypercaloric state and/or what a person would have to weigh in order for 120g to be sufficient. Therefore you're still an idiot.

And no, I didnt read your other posts where you may or may not have mentioned it. Because, you're an idiot.

Oh and, because youre a fuking idiot who fails at trolling, I dub thee an idiot.

[proteinsaver198]

As you know, protein requirements are higher in a hypocaloric state.

Yes you know because I told you. But still your overgeneralizing your nitrogen balance data.

Now, please explain me how my first post is \'an epic fail\'.

[NegatronPrime]

Now, please explain me how my first post is \'an epic fail\'.

Because you posted it.

[WonderPug]

Yes you know because I told you.

Actually, I think you read it in my of my old posts, such as this one:

Can you be specific?

Without specifics, what I can said is that energy intake itself has a tremendous nitrogen sparing effect.*

That said, the differential effects of fats and carbohydrates on nitrogen balance, substrate utilization and serum hormone concentrations have been studied. Findings indicate that a high fat diet produces slightly greater nitrogen retention in a 75% restricted diet than a high carbohydrate diet, while no differences existed between diets at maintenance.**




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* Millward DJ. Macronutrient intakes as determinants of dietary protein and amino acid adequacy. Nutr. 2004;134:1588S–1596S. Full Text.

** McCargar LJ, Clandinin MT, Belcastro AN, Walker K. Dietary carbohydrate-to-fat ratio: influence on whole-body nitrogen retention, substrate utilization, and hormone response in healthy male subjects. Am J Clin Nutr. 1989;49:1169–1178 Full text.

[proteinsaver198]

Your OP says nothing about a hypercaloric state and/or what a person would have to weigh in order for 120g to be sufficient. Therefore you\'re still an idiot.

And no, I didnt read your other posts where you may or may not have mentioned it. Because, you\'re an idiot.

Oh and, because youre a fuking idiot who fails at trolling, I dub thee an idiot.

I just made a thread to see if broscientists like WonderPug still have the arrogance to think they know it all. I must say I\'m not really suprised by the reactions here.

You can call me an idiot all day long and listen to the broscienist WonderPug or you can open your mind and try to learn a thing or two. It\'s your choice.

[PerpetualMotion]

A blanket statement such as "120g" is all you need is an erroneous statement. Requirements should be based on the needs of an individual and this changes as size does. So an 80kg individual wouldn't have the same protein requirements as a 120kg individual. That's why the recommendations for protein is based on an individual's size, not just a blanket statement made for all people. If a 120kg individual had 120g of protein then, according to research, he would fair worse than a 120kg individual having 180g of protein.

Another failed thought is assuming that increased protein consumption is only because of protein synthesis. Also, thanks to Alan for providing the commentary here from his AARR:
Effects of resistance training and protein plus amino acid supplementation on muscle anabolism, mass, and strength.
Willoughby DS, et al. Amino Acids. 2007;32(4):467-77.
"As it stands, this study is one of the rare few that demonstrate the effectiveness of a protein dose significantly higher than 2.2 g/kg (1.0 g/lb)."

High protein diet maintains glucose production during exercise-induced energy deficit: a controlled trial.
Smith TJ, et al. Nutr Metab (Lond). 2011 Apr 28;8(1):26.
"In addition to its well-established ability to preserve muscle protein, evidence continues to mount in favor of increased dietary protein’s metabolic versatility for preserving glucose homeostasis. Protein is emerging as quite the multi-tasking macronutrient. I await future studies on performance effects."
Note: Study was only 7 days long but protein moved from 0.8g/kg to 1.8g/kg.

Effect of increased dietary protein on tolerance to intensified training.
Witard OC, et al. Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2010 Aug
"Greater availability of amino acids involved with mood-protective effects – tyrosine in particular – may have contributed to the better stress/mood profiles seen in the higher-protein treatment."

Increased protein intake reduces lean body mass loss during weight loss in athletes.
Mettler S, Mitchell N, Tipton KD. Med Sci Sports Exerc.
"As might be expected, during the hypocaloric phase (60% of maintenance intake) the high-protein treatment consuming 2.3g/kg (180 g/day) preserved lean mass – and thus total mass – significantly better than the control group consuming 1.0 g/kg, (74 g/day), as illustrated below."

[proteinsaver198]

Actually, I think you read it in my of my old posts, such as this one:

Not at all. And LMAO at whole body nitrogen retention. Listen up brofessor, I don\\\'t care how much protein my balls use to produce the sperm for the whitening of my walls. Why don\\\'t you reference some papers looking at muscle protein retention, or even better some relevant endpoints. They\\\'re out there so use your Pubmed ninja skills and find them.

[JasonDB]

Do you even lift? How much is your squat on 120g of protein a day?