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    Originally Posted by JasonDB View Post
    I've covered mine in other threads... and most of the regular posters on the keto forum do count their calories and repeatedly tell others "If you do not eat a caloric deficit you will not lose fat on a ketogenic diet". I assumed most people use them to avoid shanks (from low blood sugar), headaches, continual sweating if you don't eat more carbs every 2-3 hours, black spots in front of the eyes and other negative drawbacks some of us suffer when trying to cut on higher carbs. Plus we get to eat steak and chicken wings all day long.

    For me it blunts my hunger, I keep 100% of my strength in the gym etc, and avoid suffering from hypoglycemia when I reduce my calories to a 500 cal deficit... that is pretty magical.

    For those who benefit from these things a keto diet does seem pretty magical, but most people I know do not have these same results, and if they do not, doing keto would be rather pointless unless they just happened to enjoy it and feel better on it... and I've met a handful of people who cannot tolerate this type of diet at all, their lifts drop for weeks, they feel slow, lethargic etc... and clearly such people should avoid keto diets like the plague.

    Anyway I don't see where you got the things you typed by reading the keto forum here... everyone there talks about the importance of calories in calories out on keto.
    I can't say that I've spent enough time in the ketard forum to cast any meaningful judgement on what goes on there. However, in my experience - generally speaking & not specifically referring to the BB.com ketard forum - most ketards believe that ketosis is a "special" fat-burning state. Thus, they panic when a small serving of carbs kicks them out of ketosis, lmfao. This is why most people have the impression that ketards don't subscribe to kcals in/out.
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    Originally Posted by alan aragon View Post
    I can't say that I've spent enough time in the ketard forum to cast any meaningful judgement on what goes on there. However, in my experience - generally speaking & not specifically referring to the BB.com ketard forum - most ketards believe that ketosis is a "special" fat-burning state. Thus, they panic when a small serving of carbs kicks them out of ketosis, lmfao. This is why most people have the impression that ketards don't subscribe to kcals in/out.
    Oh lawd... yeah.. the running joke on the keto forums here is that if you get kicked out of ketosis while cutting...you get hungry. A lot of the people here use it for the hunger blunting effects, etc. I've certainly never noticed the "metabolic advantage" some speak of in theory... no caloric deficit... no drop in weight for me. All the keto stickies even here discuss calorie counting.
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    Originally Posted by JasonDB View Post
    Why the keto hate? I'll be the first to admit that most people can do just fine on more conventional methods, but some people (due to various genetic/medical issues) do better on low carb diets.
    You just answered your own question. Now find me those few people in the keto section out of all the retards who post there. It will only be a small percentage.
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    Originally Posted by SoulZeppelin View Post
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=138165323

    Interdasting. Not pushing broscience, just the "everyone in the nutrition forum is a dogmatic bastard" thread.
    My favorite part is how the OP has proven every sticky wrong with basic math, lulz...
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    Originally Posted by desslok View Post
    My favorite part is how the OP has proven every sticky wrong with basic math, lulz...
    I'm excited to see the math OP will surely bring the lulz.
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    Keto section needs to be deleted.. Seriously, I've read at least a dozen threads & not 1 person asked what maintenance calories & current calories were.. The OP lists foods, people say "looks good man. Stay away from sugar on carb loads"



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    Originally Posted by HunterCML View Post
    Keto subforums should be deleted.


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    Keto subforums should be deleted.


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    Pics of wife or negs.

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    I dont ever bat an eyelid toward the Keto forum, but when i saw "Hardcore cutting diet" in most recent threads when i was scrolling nutrition, I couldnt help but click.

    I mean come on, Hardcore, must be a srs diet right?

    Well, with no intention of posting in the thread itself, I just wanted to share the lolz with you guise.

    So here, enjoy the UserName to Idiocy ratio & strong WTF on this one.

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    Good looking wife, good looking kid, ugly jersey. What the hell is she doing with you? You better hope she never wakes up!

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    Originally Posted by NegatronPrime View Post
    I dont ever bat an eyelid toward the Keto forum, but when i saw "Hardcore cutting diet" in most recent threads when i was scrolling nutrition, I couldnt help but click.

    I mean come on, Hardcore, must be a srs diet right?

    Well, with no intention of posting in the thread itself, I just wanted to share the lolz with you guise.

    So here, enjoy the UserName to Idiocy ratio & strong WTF on this one.

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...#post752202653
    I see nothing wrong with paleo diets, as there certainly nothing unhealthy, or unproductive towards bodybuilding about eating meat, veggies, nuts and fruit, and they have some interesting theories. I also think consuming copious quantities of grass-fed beef is an excellent way to boost gains in size and strength, although a bit expensive. Methinks the IIFYM crew is a bit more critical of lifestyle choices of others than they need to be, unless that person is being an ass about it, "My way is the ONLY way and you are a moron if you don't do paleo/keto/other." And there is a psychological benefit to believing that a specific method will work... and people forget how psychological the iron game actually is. Placebo, self-programming and belief play a very strong role in the results one gets from their training.

    I think they (paleo peeps) can be a bit silly with their holier than thou attitude, although not as bad as vegans.... this thread however.... 1500 calorie deficit... I predict the concentration camp look in this one's future update pictures. His hardcore diet is quite frankly... going to cost him a lot of muscle mass.


    Oh this one gave me a laugh though... wheat worse than table sugar.... http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=138179383
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    I see nothing wrong with paleo diets, as there certainly nothing unhealthy, or unproductive towards bodybuilding about eating meat, veggies, nuts and fruit, and they have some interesting theories.
    I think it is unhealthy to arbitrarily limit your food based on nonsensical reasoning/data.
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    Originally Posted by Lvisaa2 View Post
    I think it is unhealthy to arbitrarily limit your food based on nonsensical reasoning/data.
    I'll play Devil's advocate on this one... if they are getting all of the essential amino acids they need, essential fatty acids, vitamins and minerals they need to reach their physique goals, and maintain health, and are not eating excessive calories (same goals the IIFYM group has), how is that unhealthy? We could argue that if they are getting overly stressed about it "OMG there might be traces of gluten on that!!", the stress itself of this might of course be detrimental to their physical and mental health, as we know stress is a killer. However the other end of the physcological aspect is belief/placebo. If they believe their method of eating will yield better, health and more importantly more energy and performance in the gym... allowing for quickier progressive overload, better workouts and a better mental attitude towards their training... wouldn't that be of potential benefit? Now you could also argue the mental well being of getting to toss in some ice cream a few times a week and fitting it into your macros as having a psychological benefit as well, as I doubt you honestly believe the 300 calories of ice cream will actually yield more muscle gain or strength than the same macros and calories from steak and strawberries. Belief is a very powerful thing, and the iron game has a massive psychological aspect that will make or break you when it comes to results.
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    Originally Posted by JasonDB View Post
    I'll play Devil's advocate on this one... if they are getting all of the essential amino acids they need, essential fatty acids, vitamins and minerals they need to reach their physique goals, and maintain health, and are not eating excessive calories (same goals the IIFYM group has), how is that unhealthy?
    Such rigid guidelines can lead to unnecessary mental stress, inhibited social life, and eating disorders. Do they always? No, but I think having such a stringent dietary regiment certainly lends itself to this. I'm not arguing against the foods as they all are generally micronutrient dense and damn tasty, but to see them as the only things you eat can lead to issues.
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    what day can i eat steak?
    Every day is steak day.
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    Every day is steak day.
    I like how you think.
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