Yah..9/11 no explosives? COME AT ME BRO!

[kusok]

Actually where I live teachers are pushing 100k:

http://longisland.newsday.com/school...ngs.php?id=pay


Cleaning ladies don't report their income They make many many times what you think they make. It's a cash business, and depends on the area.

[Bushmaster]

Why bother? like any good conspiracy theorist he will not let facts get in the way of what he wants to believe.

To him teachers make a magical 75,000 a year on average and cleaning ladies clean your room for 75 grand a year. I bet he thinks that doctors make a million a year, and computer programmers make 200k a year starting.

If teachers on average made 75k a year I don't think they would have a problem with so few people approaching a teaching degree. Nor the lack of people seeking education degrees.

I also got a kick out of the "What can you do with 75k? Can you even buy decent suits to go on tv with that?"

No... A sport coat at The Mens Warehouse costs $70k, a shirt $10k (12k if you get French cuffs) and a tie is $5k.

[WarHawk109]

Is this a joke? Halliburton stock went up when war started, how come you guys can't just google it yourself???

War is a big business, a racket, very profitable. This is a well known fact. Especially profitable for bankers, because a country will borrow any amount to win. I can't believe I'm explaining this to you, it's like 2+2=4 kind of a thing.

Take a look:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=HAL&t=5y
Their stock tripled from the Iraq war, that's about 78 mil right there. They are still taking in billions, including YOUR tax dollars.
http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/news...ngs072205.html

Who cares why Halliburton is selling KBR??? Maybe it's scandal plagued, maybe it's a good business deal.

Ah so you agree that it is disingenuous of your two links to suggest revenue is synonymous with profit?

I have seen no evidence that Haliburton nor KBR's operations in Iraq are anymore profitable than their other ventures.

Does anyone know what their net income is from just Iraq in comparison with their non-Iraq operations? srs question. Only then can we get a true sense if they are genuinely profiting unduly from the war.

[nutsy54]

And yet another Conspiracy thread, where the OP fails miserably, then it descends into dozens of other "What about ____?" queries, each of which continues to fail in providing any proof or evidence to support the CT position

[mithfen]

Actually where I live teachers are pushing 100k:

http://longisland.newsday.com/school...ngs.php?id=pay

http://teacherportal.com/teacher-salaries-by-state

http://schools.nyc.gov/NR/rdonlyres/...B/0/salary.pdf


Your data is most likely A) considering pension and/or benefits or B) flawed

Look at the motive of any modern day teacher strike and tell me that the norm is for some of these people to be getting around 8000/mo before taxes. Sorry, no.

[Mysticrican86]

Other than the secret ninja demolition crew there would have to be..

-NORAD
-The DoD
-The MSM
-American Airlines
-WTC Security
-The CIA
-The FBI
-The FDNY
-The NYPD
-The Mossad
-Larry Silversteen

Those are all the different agencies and people that I have heard were "in on it" at one time or another, and that's a very conservative list because I'm sure I left a few out. And right here in this very thread it was insinuated that insurance investigators would have to be "in on it" too.

So with all those different pieces and parts, you do the math and tell ME how many people it would take?

Anyone care to tell me exactly why you would need all those to be "in on it".

[nutsy54]

Anyone care to tell me exactly why you would need all those to be "in on it".

Do you even understand the entire convoluted plot we're supposed to believe from the CT crowd?

- NORAD: Because they supposedly "delayed" response (even though they didn't)
- DOD: Who else will provide the missile(s) and operators to attack Pennsylvania and the Pentagon?
- MSM: The kooks are already convinced that BBC had a full agenda for the day's events, so why wouldn't everyone else in the world media?
- American Airlines (and United): They supported the myth that airplanes took off, and had contact with those planes throughout their flights, when several variants of the Theory declare that no such planes existed
- WTC Security: 'nuf said. They supposedly rolled out the red carpet for the installation of magic demolition systems that could survive airplane impacts and hours of fire (then perfectly trigger at exactly the right location - so that's more DOD to provide material and expertise)
- CIA/FBI: Supposedly helped to destroy "evidence" stored in WTC7, while also performing an incomplete or rigged investigation
- FDNY: Knew WTC7 was scheduled for controlled demolition
- NYPD: Nothing off the top of my head
- Mosad: Supposedly filming the whole event live (even though, like every other piece of "evidence", this has been debunked)
- Larry Silverstein: The corporate executive, who also knew professional terminology for executing controlled demolition operations - and declared that to the world, in the middle of the most covert and treasonous act in human history

And we're running down all these rabbit holes, to hide the OP's absolute failure in his original accusations that started this thread

[fringey187]

The nypd supplied drugs to larry davis ... google it ... Americas government is corrupt , cia supply drugs to the black communities to erradicate them etc etc ...
The cia setting off explosives in middle eastern and south Asian countries to initiate violence ...

[fringey187]

Do you even understand the entire convoluted plot we're supposed to believe from the CT crowd?

- NORAD: Because they supposedly "delayed" response (even though they didn't)
- DOD: Who else will provide the missile(s) and operators to attack Pennsylvania and the Pentagon?
- MSM: The kooks are already convinced that BBC had a full agenda for the day's events, so why wouldn't everyone else in the world media?
- American Airlines (and United): They supported the myth that airplanes took off, and had contact with those planes throughout their flights, when several variants of the Theory declare that no such planes existed
- WTC Security: 'nuf said. They supposedly rolled out the red carpet for the installation of magic demolition systems that could survive airplane impacts and hours of fire (then perfectly trigger at exactly the right location - so that's more DOD to provide material and expertise)
- CIA/FBI: Supposedly helped to destroy "evidence" stored in WTC7, while also performing an incomplete or rigged investigation
- FDNY: Knew WTC7 was scheduled for controlled demolition
- NYPD: Nothing off the top of my head
- Mosad: Supposedly filming the whole event live (even though, like every other piece of "evidence", this has been debunked)
- Larry Silverstein: The corporate executive, who also knew professional terminology for executing controlled demolition operations - and declared that to the world, in the middle of the most covert and treasonous act in human history

And we're running down all these rabbit holes, to hide the OP's absolute failure in his original accusations that started this thread

The NYPD , CIA , FBI , MOSSAD , FDNY all well known due to there corruptness....
The simple matter of fact being that not everybody in those departments are corrupt they are just following orders from the people at top .. now if you think that everything is peaches and roses and we should think that all those organizations are righteous and have never done anything dodge then sir you are a fool .

Everybody and everything in this world succumbs to money , The greed of money leads to corruptness . America is not a third world country where the leaders carry out blatant dictatorships and are known for there corruptness. Things have to be done in a way which is either labeled as an accident , cover up or just blaming somebody else .

[kusok]

Ah so you agree that it is disingenuous of your two links to suggest revenue is synonymous with profit?

I have seen no evidence that Haliburton nor KBR's operations in Iraq are anymore profitable than their other ventures.

Does anyone know what their net income is from just Iraq in comparison with their non-Iraq operations? srs question. Only then can we get a true sense if they are genuinely profiting unduly from the war.

Their stock tripled same time with Iraq war.

They never had any peaceful project that was anywhere near this lucrative, simply look at their stock history that I linked above, and read the Wiki article on the company. This is all they do, get bids during war.

They were awarded a contract worth many billions of dollars of YOUR and my tax money by US government to work in Iraq.

They made ~17 billion from Iraq. US soldiers talk in youtube videos about how those pieces of **** drive expensive cars inside the base while soldiers are dying in tanks controlling the perimeter to protect the corporate contractors scum.

But let's not talk about this bro, let's focus on 75k that Richard Gage got from donations. 17 billion taken out of your taxes is not important. Focus on Gage bashing!

[kusok]

http://teacherportal.com/teacher-salaries-by-state

http://schools.nyc.gov/NR/rdonlyres/...B/0/salary.pdf


Your data is most likely A) considering pension and/or benefits or B) flawed

Look at the motive of any modern day teacher strike and tell me that the norm is for some of these people to be getting around 8000/mo before taxes. Sorry, no.

Not at all. I know many teachers in this area, and they get ~75k right off the start. I gave you a legit link from a major mainstream newspaper. No need to make excuses. And a cleaning lady gets about $80-100 per service around here, can do 2 or 3 houses per day easily.

[mithfen]

Their stock tripled same time with Iraq war.

They never had any peaceful project that was anywhere near this lucrative, simply look at their stock history that I linked above, and read the Wiki article on the company. This is all they do, get bids during war.

They were awarded a contract worth many billions of dollars of YOUR and my tax money by US government to work in Iraq.

They made ~17 billion from Iraq. US soldiers talk in youtube videos about how those pieces of **** drive expensive cars inside the base while soldiers are dying in tanks controlling the perimeter to protect the corporate contractors scum.

But let's not talk about this bro, let's focus on 75k that Richard Gage got from donations. 17 billion taken out of your taxes is not important. Focus on Gage bashing!

Sorry, wrong. Do you seriously pull this stuff out of your ass? (P.S. Stock price does not necessarily reflect the financial performance of a company)

January 2003: HAL: 9.43

March 2003 (Iraq started): HAL: 9.77

January 2004: HAL: 13.40

March 2004 (1 yr after war): HAL: 14.60



However, here is the data you're looking for, directly from public financial statements:

1998 Revenue: 14.5 billion

2003 Revenue: 16.2 billion

2006 Revenue: 12.9 billion

2009 Revenue: 14.6 billion



You are clearly out of your league discussing this stuff, so perhaps you should just stop. I am not going to sit here and pick apart all the minor details surrounding whether or not a defense contractor profits from war...but a quick glance at their present and historic financial data contradict the outrageous figures you're rambling about here.

You CT derelicts think that the total revenue of a company = all profit from war. It is so funny to see how your little pea brains work.


P.P.S. Yes I excluded certain years between historical data to prove a point that you're speaking out of your ass.

[mithfen]

Not at all. I know many teachers in this area, and they get ~75k right off the start. I gave you a legit link from a major mainstream newspaper. No need to make excuses. And a cleaning lady gets about $80-100 per service around here, can do 2 or 3 houses per day easily.

So a starting salary for a teacher with no experience gets 75k to start. Yet, less than 50 miles away from that same location, the starting salary is publicly listed as 45k with minimal credentials, and 57 on the highest end.

Additionally, the nationwide average salary for a K-12 teacher is less than 50k per the census

Yeah, that makes sense.

[kusok]

So a starting salary for a teacher with no experience gets 75k to start. Yet, less than 50 miles away from that same location, the starting salary is publicly listed as 45k with minimal credentials, and 57 on the highest end.

Additionally, the nationwide average salary for a K-12 teacher is less than 50k per the census

Yeah, that makes sense.

*shrug* I gave you a link, maybe you should write to Newsday or go to these schools in my area and demand that they confess to you in writing that they don't make the money that they make because it would mean you were wrong in an internet argument, and that can't be had.

Your other post is rather strange and ironic, you wrote it yourself about "defense contractor profits from war" and yet think a defense contractor would NOT profit from war... I gave links and chart to profits, you're welcome to be in denial, it's ok.

http://www.businesspundit.com/the-25...ar-profiteers/
http://www.democraticunderground.com...ess=108x100447
http://www.alternet.org/world/41083/
http://www.slate.com/id/2099680/

The last article mentions how they lost money elsewhere (Brazil) and made money in Iraq.
it's a well known fact Halliburton profits from war, but bro, let's focus on 75k that Richard Gage got! I bet he watched PPV! UFC 100. Bastard. let's focus on this bro! let's not talk about building 7, and how it just collapsed from fire alone (according to NIST it would collapse without any debris, and was a "more standard tall building" and not unique or unsafe), let's question the credibility of the truthers! forget building 7 bro. A defense contractor is allowed to make 17 billion off war, but Gage is not allowed to accept 75k in donation. Dick Cheney's retirement package from Halliburton for 2 months is more than this. But let's bash Gage! Cheney tells the truth! gage lies.

[mithfen]

Your other post is rather strange and ironic, you wrote it yourself about "defense contractor profits from war" and yet think a defense contractor would NOT profit from war... I gave links and chart to profits, you're welcome to be in denial, it's ok.

The last article mentions how they lost money elsewhere (Brazil) and made money in Iraq.
it's a well known fact Halliburton profits from war, but bro, let's focus on 75k that Richard Gage got! I bet he watched PPV! UFC 100. Bastard. let's focus on this bro! let's not talk about building 7, and how it just collapsed from fire alone (according to NIST it would collapse without any debris, and was a "more standard tall building" and not unique or unsafe), let's question the credibility of the truthers! forget building 7 bro. A defense contractor is allowed to make 17 billion off war, but Gage is not allowed to accept 75k in donation. Dick Cheney's retirement package from Halliburton for 2 months is more than this. But let's bash Gage! Cheney tells the truth! gage lies.

Your ignorance is unnerving. I specifically tried to point out that I wasn't taking a stance on whether or not defense contractor's profited from war. How did you miss that? Do you even read my posts?

It's almost admirable how you're able to come back, post after post, after I thoroughly destroy any position you try to take. I'm not even necessarily disputing everything you say, just pointing out that you often don't know WTF you're talking about.

Are you seriously going to show me news articles to dispute financial statements? Do you even know what a financial statement is or how to read it? Amazing.

[kusok]

Your ignorance is unnerving. I specifically tried to point out that I wasn't taking a stance on whether or not defense contractor's profited from war. How did you miss that? Do you even read my posts?

It's almost admirable how you're able to come back, post after post, after I thoroughly destroy any position you try to take. I'm not even necessarily disputing everything you say, just pointing out that you often don't know WTF you're talking about.

Are you seriously going to show me news articles to dispute financial statements? Do you even know what a financial statement is or how to read it? Amazing.

Unlike the articles I provided your financial statement doesn't show that Halliburton lost in Brazil and earned in Iraq, which is precisely what the other poster and I were discussing. It's a simple FACT that Halliburton profited directly from Iraq war. There is no debate here. They earned 17 billion from the war. Simple as that.

(Tip: self congratulatory posts about how you destroyed someone in debate don't mean you did, it just makes you look childish)

[Bushmaster]

Anyone care to tell me exactly why you would need all those to be "in on it".

Truthers are the ones who have made the claims, why not go ask them?

[Bushmaster]

Bump.

So tell me kusok, what do you make of this..?

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Your man Gage is stone-cold BEGGING for money and isn't even trying to hide it. I mean it's one thing to say "Buy my DVD's and bumperstickers," but to hit people up for stock and real estate??? Come on now.... Even you have to admit that's a little fishy, right?

[frasersteen]

Unlike the articles I provided your financial statement doesn't show that Halliburton lost in Brazil and earned in Iraq, which is precisely what the other poster and I were discussing. It's a simple FACT that Halliburton profited directly from Iraq war. There is no debate here. They earned 17 billion from the war. Simple as that.

(Tip: self congratulatory posts about how you destroyed someone in debate don't mean you did, it just makes you look childish)

Wasn't getting involved because Haliburton did profit a lot from the Iraq war. Can you please explain though how 9/11 was used as justification for the Iraq war?

[Bushmaster]

Oh, yes, Larry. To him these buildings are nothing, millions to him is nothing compared to what his buddies would give him in return. But yes, Larry fought tooth and nail to get as much $$$ as he could. but yes, let's forget 6 bil, let's focus on Gage and 75k. Hellz the entire site including everything that Larry isn't responsible for will be rebuilt for 8-10 bil. I doubt he will lose money even if he was not paid off.


I'm confused about your second paragraph. You asked for a link, I provided, it's time for you to man up and admit your were wrong.
Now you backpedal. How to tie that to 9 11??? They profit from it, that is motive. They should be the 1st suspect in 9 11 investigation.
And notice how your last sentence says profiting from war doesn't cut it, but yet you kids focus on Gage profiting...

1) You keep talking about how Larry's "buddies" are going to give him all this money, yet despite ranting about it for a solid fuking month you have yet to explain who or WTF you're talking about.

2) You're even dumber than I thought if you honestly believe a real estate owner would destroy his own buildings, fight tooth and nail with the insurance company to get his investment back, pay out millions of dollars each month to the port authority, then rebuild in the exact same spot. Dumbass, I promise you Larry "cares about those buildings." Jesus..

3) So what if Haliburton profits from the war? So does Lockheed, McDonnell Douglas, General Dynamics, Raytheon, etc.. Whether you approve of it or not, they provide either a product or service that the DoD needs. Now either tie that into 9/11 or STFU about it.

4) Unlike defense contractors, Richard Gage doesn't provide a service or product at all, does he? He sells "the truth" and brings home $75k from it (tax-free since his little organization is a non-profit?). Sell a few more DVD's to his "911 Truth Heroes" and next year he could make over $100k. And as if the DVD sales aren't enough he flat out BEGS for money with no hint of shame at all. Just like TV Evangelists have done for years...

"Send me money and I'll see that you go to heaven!"

"Send me money and help me expose the truth!"

FFS man grow a brain. Jesus..

[Bushmaster]

I'm confused about your second paragraph. You asked for a link, I provided, it's time for you to man up and admit your were wrong.
Now you backpedal. How to tie that to 9 11??? They profit from it, that is motive. They should be the 1st suspect in 9 11 investigation...

I know one of the companies that did the clean up of the WTC site. They profitted too, so do you want to include them in your investigation?

[Bushmaster]

Watch the 2nd question

Is this real life?

I watched the whole thing - twice. And all I saw was one of your prison planet fruit loops asking John Kerry if there had been an investigation into bldg-7 and Larry Silverstein.

"Not to my knowlege."

WTF exactly are you trying to prove with that?

[realistromeo]

And we're running down all these rabbit holes, to hide the OP's absolute failure in his original accusations that started this thread

No one has provided a sound explanation besides CD for the Original Video, and if you try, peoples bull**** detectors go off right away. There aint no denying, tho you keep on trying. G-heaad give it your best shot.

Original vid smacks all your lies right in the face and spits down their throats.

[Bushmaster]

"9/11 Truth presented at 'Advanced Wealth Building' conference in Jamacia!"



http://ae911truth.org/en/news-sectio...n-jamaica.html

"We need more money! Send us your money.. lots and lots of money!"

[Bushmaster]

All I heard was...

I bull**** and lie

[realistromeo]

All I heard was...

crickets chirping..... good luck with your inteligence goals for 2011.

[kusok]

Wasn't getting involved because Haliburton did profit a lot from the Iraq war. Can you please explain though how 9/11 was used as justification for the Iraq war?

That's a good question to ask the US government. They have consistently lied about this and can't get their story straight. First there was a connection between iraq and 9 11, then suddenly there wasn't, but Iraq sponsored terrorists...



Fact is they had plans for all this long time ago. Just listen to General Wesley Clark.

[ev3]

OP's video doesn't look like it contains explosions/explosives at all...

[frasersteen]

That's a good question to ask the US government. They have consistently lied about this and can't get their story straight. First there was a connection between iraq and 9 11, then suddenly there wasn't, but Iraq sponsored terrorists...



Fact is they had plans for all this long time ago. Just listen to General Wesley Clark.

So it's what I thought, it was not used as justification just as a political tool to garner more support.

So the whole premise that it was all faked to justify the war in Iraq is based on a political tool that was universally rubbished at the time.

Every time I hear another argument for this dumbass conspiracy it just gets less and less plausible.

[kusok]

So it's what I thought, it was not used as justification just as a political tool to garner more support.

So the whole premise that it was all faked to justify the war in Iraq is based on a political tool that was universally rubbished at the time.

Every time I hear another argument for this dumbass conspiracy it just gets less and less plausible.

Actually you're arguing the case FOR conspiracy, since a political tool to garner support for the war is the same thing as justification. They lied about weapons of mass destruction, lied about 9 11 connection, you can call it political tool to get support or justification or excuse or any other word or phrase you prefer but it's all the same thing - a lie to the people to go get the 30 trillion dollars of Middle East's oil. US government has done this before (lying to get people to agree to pay for and go to war) and confessed to it, such as with the Vietnam war.