Tips for an extreme ectomorph from other ectomorphs

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This post is the personification of ignorance, and I'm being nice. It seems as if you're asserting that a caloric surplus from liquids will not yield weight gain, simply because its physical state. Do you know how energy balance works? Also, why would 4-12 meals matter? Are you implying you cannot gain weight by eating 2-3 larger meals per day?

Do you think if you ingest a caloric surplus from liquid calories that you will not gain weight?

You need to learn basic thermodynamics, energy balance, metabolic pathways, biochemistry or perhaps just some common sense.

I claim to know what works. Balance? 4-12 meals a day minimum? eating 2-3 big meals = fat

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This post is the personification of ignorance, and I'm being nice. It seems as if you're asserting that a caloric surplus from liquids will not yield weight gain, simply because its physical state. Do you know how energy balance works? Also, why would 4-12 meals matter? Are you implying you cannot gain weight by eating 2-3 larger meals per day?

Do you think if you ingest a caloric surplus from liquid calories that you will not gain weight?

You need to learn basic thermodynamics, energy balance, metabolic pathways, biochemistry or perhaps just some common sense.

oh and


Age: 19
Stats: 6'1", 180 lbs

thats e stats you look like 155lbs ****boy

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So if I drink all my calories from coke and exceed my TDEE, I wouldn't gain weight?

IF aall you drank was water and coke you would gain 0 lbs of lean mass, end of story.

[PhiSig2298]

I claim to know what works. Balance? 4-12 meals a day minimum? eating 2-3 big meals = fat

have proof of this?

[pipqpi]

Diet is a big part. which comes down to what u eat. Unlike the bigger guys that gain weight easily and eat almost no fat. We skinny guys are suppose to eat more fats and carbs. Cut down on the soda's and sugars, try drinking a glass of milk with each meal. It is really hard to do, but eatting every couple of hours is the other part. You got to eat even if your not hungry.

If you can afford it or has insurance that will cover it, go see an actual dietician or doctor about not being able to gain weight. Your gonna have to press the doctor to run tests because most wont do it because your health and able to eat.

[Xfaxtor]

IF aall you drank was water and coke you would gain 0 lbs of lean mass, end of story.

Thats not what he aksed..

So if I drink nothing but whey shake and raw eggs while exceeding my maintenance, will I not gain weight?

[Xfaxtor]

Diet is a big part. which comes down to what u eat. Unlike the bigger guys that gain weight easily and eat almost no fat. We skinny guys are suppose to eat more fats and carbs. Cut down on the soda's and sugars, try drinking a glass of milk with each meal. It is really hard to do, but eatting every couple of hours is the other part. You got to eat even if your not hungry.

If you can afford it or has insurance that will cover it, go see an actual dietician or doctor about not being able to gain weight. Your gonna have to press the doctor to run tests because most wont do it because your health and able to eat.

Big guys need fats as well, unless they on dat dere..

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have proof of this?

Sure. If you Could possibley eat 3000-4000 calories in 2 meals, you have a gift. If your body can process that much protein, fat, carbs in 1 hour without 90% of it turning to fat, you are a genetic anomaly

[PhiSig2298]

Diet is a big part. which comes down to what u eat. Unlike the bigger guys that gain weight easily and eat almost no fat. We skinny guys are suppose to eat more fats and carbs. Cut down on the soda's and sugars, try drinking a glass of milk with each meal. It is really hard to do, but eatting every couple of hours is the other part. You got to eat even if your not hungry.

If you can afford it or has insurance that will cover it, go see an actual dietician or doctor about not being able to gain weight. Your gonna have to press the doctor to run tests because most wont do it because your health and able to eat.

Meal frequency doesn't matter for bulking or cutting & sugar is fine in moderation

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..... actually he said all he was going to have for calories was Coke. lol so basically he said all he was going to drink was coke. Assuming he had got his protein and carbs while drinking the coke (roll eyes) he would gain weight

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Meal frequency doesn't matter for bulking or cutting & sugar is fine in moderation

.... meal frequencey is the most important thing. 6-8 large meals for a dirty bulk or reg bulk at a higher weight, smaller more frequent meals for metabolism and reduction of waste inside your body (IE beneficial for a cut)


=== trolls gonna troll

[Xfaxtor]

Sure. If you Could possibley eat 3000-4000 calories in 2 meals, you have a gift. If your body can process that much protein, fat, carbs in 1 hour without 90% of it turning to fat, you are a genetic anomaly

Why would it need to process it within one hour?

[Ondemand]

Sure. If you Could possibley eat 3000-4000 calories in 2 meals, you have a gift. If your body can process that much protein, fat, carbs in 1 hour without 90% of it turning to fat, you are a genetic anomaly

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No... just no... Your body won't process all the food within one hour, it will take its sweet time to do so.

[pipqpi]

Your 16! You live at your mothers house. Just wait until you have bills like the rest of the adults on this site, before you start talking s***, about being about to maintain a food bill.

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because you can only digest 40G of protein an hour

[PhiSig2298]

Sure. If you Could possibley eat 3000-4000 calories in 2 meals, you have a gift. If your body can process that much protein, fat, carbs in 1 hour without 90% of it turning to fat, you are a genetic anomaly

That's not proof... Neg'd you for being a moron & calling Chad a ****boy (only I get to call him that.


Now, go read up

start here


This is a good one on protein limits



there's plenty of other studies that I'm sure other will post to prove you're ignorant about this subject.


From now on, don't spread bullsh¡t without the proper tools

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That's not proof... Neg'd you for being a moron & calling Chad a ****boy (only I get to call him that.


Now, go read up

start here

This one is a good one



there's plenty of other studies that I'm sure other will post to prove you're ignorant about this subject.


From now on, don't spread bullsh¡t without the proper tools

quote that part of the study that states that any amount of food over 40G (protein ) that you eat at once will not turn to fat

[Ondemand]

quote that part of the study that states that any amount of food over 40G (protein ) that you eat at once will not turn to fat

Let me ask you this then, if you eat 100g of protein in one sitting, for the entire day, therefore consuming only 400 calories, would you get fat? I mean, anything above 40g turns to fat right?

[JasonDB]

This thread has gone full retard. Never go full retard.

OP, stop being an ignorant ass and rebuting the proper answers. Clearly you do not know very much about bodybuilding or bodybuilding nutrition or you would not need to ask this question, stfu and listen when grown people are talking.

You claim you carefully measured 4,000 calories a day for a month without gaining weight. I will take your word for it. Either you burned entirely too many through activities such as jogging, doing manual labor at a job, playing basketball etc... or you simply have a very fast metabolism (or a tape worm... you should name him Lenny). You have only two options. A) reduce your non-weight training physical activity by 500 calories a day... or B) increase your food intake to 4500 calories a day. No if's... and's... or but's. /thread

[PhiSig2298]

quote that part of the study that states that any amount of food over 40G (protein ) that you eat at once will not turn to fat

"The body will take all the sweet time it needs to effectively digest and absorb just about whatever dose you give it. Person A will have shorter digestion periods per meal in order to effectively absorb and utilize the small meals. Person B will have a longer digestion period in order to effectively absorb and utilize the large meal."



Let's say even if it gets stored as fat, if a person is in a calorie deficit, it doesn't matter! They'll still be losing more fat than they store

[JasonDB]

because you can only digest 40G of protein an hour

Negged for dragging the thread to full retard status.

[PhiSig2298]

.... meal frequencey is the most important thing. 6-8 large meals for a dirty bulk or reg bulk at a higher weight, smaller more frequent meals for metabolism and reduction of waste inside your body (IE beneficial for a cut)


=== trolls gonna troll

Oh look! http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/23/health/23really.html


More evidence you're wrong

[Xfaxtor]

because you can only digest 40G of protein an hour

Hahahahaha prepare for red. So you are saying that if you eat 300g of chicken, your body cant "absorb" the entire filet? This is some comedy gold right here

[JasonDB]

Hahahahaha prepare for red. So you are saying that if you eat 300g of chicken, your body cant "absorb" the entire filet? This is some comedy gold right here

I ate 1.5 lbs of chuck roast last night in one sitting (was good used one of those herb injectors to pump diced garlic cloves into it before cooking).. around 190g of protein... but this morning the scale showed me to be .5 lbs lighter than yesterday... how did this happen? Magnets... how do they work?

[PhiSig2298]

I ate 1.5 lbs of chuck roast last night in one sitting (was good used one of those herb injectors to pump diced garlic cloves into it before cooking).. around 190g of protein... but this morning the scale showed me to be .5 lbs lighter than yesterday... how did this happen? Magnets... how do they work?

Your scale didn't want to hurt your feelings

[jarekd1234]

.... meal frequencey is the most important thing. 6-8 large meals for a dirty bulk or reg bulk at a higher weight, smaller more frequent meals for metabolism and reduction of waste inside your body (IE beneficial for a cut)


=== trolls gonna troll

Hang on for a second.. How do you explain people doing Intermitten Fasting or Warrior diet, fasting for 16-20 hours, still manage to put on muscle or preserve most of it while cutting?

What is this?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19943985
This study shows there was no difference in weight loss between subjects with high/low meal frequencies.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9155494
Evidence supports that meal frequency has nothing to do with energy in the subjects.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11319656
Yet again, no difference in energy in the subjects compared to 2 meals/d to 6 meals/d.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1905998
Eur J Clin Nutr. 1991 Mar;45(3):161-9.Links
Influence of the feeding frequency on nutrient utilization in man: consequences for energy metabolism.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11319656
Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord. 2001 Apr;25(4):519-28.Links
Compared with nibbling, neither gorging nor a morning fast affect short-term energy balance in obese patients in a chamber calorimeter.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18053311
Br J Nutr. 2008 Jun;99(6):1316-21. Epub 2007 Dec 6. Links
Acute effects on metabolism and appetite profile of one meal difference in the lower range of meal frequency.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1905998
Eur J Clin Nutr. 1991 Mar;45(3):161-9.Links
Influence of the feeding frequency on nutrient utilization in man: consequences for energy metabolism.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11319656
Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord. 2001 Apr;25(4):519-28.Links
Compared with nibbling, neither gorging nor a morning fast affect short-term energy balance in obese patients in a chamber calorimeter.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18053311
Br J Nutr. 2008 Jun;99(6):1316-21. Epub 2007 Dec 6. Links
Acute effects on metabolism and appetite profile of one meal difference in the lower range of meal frequency.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9155494
Br J Nutr. 1997 Apr;77 Suppl 1:S57-70. Links
Meal frequency and energy balance.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15806828
Forum Nutr. 2003;56:126-8.Links
Highlighting the positive impact of increasing feeding frequency on metabolism and weight management.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9504318
Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord. 1998 Feb;22(2):105-12.Links
Evidence that eating frequency is inversely related to body weight status in male, but not female, non-obese adults reporting valid dietary intakes.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15085170
Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord. 2004 May;28(5):653-60. Links
Decreased thermic effect of food after an irregular compared with a regular meal pattern in healthy lean women.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15220950
Eur J Clin Nutr. 2004 Jul;58(7):1071-7. Links
Regular meal frequency creates more appropriate insulin sensitivity and lipid profiles compared with irregular meal frequency in healthy lean women.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17228037
Obesity (Silver Spring). 2007 Jan;15(1):100-6. Links
Association of eating frequency with body fatness in pre- and postmenopausal women.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15640455
Am J Clin Nutr. 2005 Jan;81(1):16-24. Links
Comment in:
Am J Clin Nutr. 2005 Jan;81(1):3-4.
Beneficial metabolic effects of regular meal frequency on dietary thermogenesis, insulin sensitivity, and fasting lipid profiles in healthy obese women.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10578205
Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord. 1999 Nov;23(11):1151-9.Links
Acute appetite reduction associated with an increased frequency of eating in obese males.






What is this?

1. Myth: Eat frequently to "stoke the metabolic fire".


Truth

Each time you eat, metabolic rate increases slightly for a few hours. Paradoxically, it takes energy to break down and absorb energy. This is the Thermic Effect of Food (TEF). The amount of energy expended is directly proportional to the amount of calories and nutrients consumed in the meal.

Let's assume that we are measuring TEF during 24 hours in a diet of 2700 kcal with 40% protein, 40% carbohydrate and 20% fat. We run three different trials where the only thing we change is the the meal frequency.

A) Three meals: 900 kcal per meal.

B) Six meals: 450 kcal per meal.

C) Nine meals: 300 kcal per meal.

What we'd find is a different pattern in regards to TEF. Example "A" would yield a larger and long lasting boost in metabolic rate that would gradually taper off until the next meal came around; TEF would show a "peak and valley"-pattern. "C" would yield a very weak but consistent boost in metabolic rate; an even pattern. "B" would be somewhere in between.

However, at the end of the 24-hour period, or as long as it would take to assimilate the nutrients, there would be no difference in TEF. The total amount of energy expended by TEF would be identical in each scenario. Meal frequency does not affect total TEF. You cannot "trick" the body in to burning more or less calories by manipulating meal frequency.

Further reading: I have covered the topic of meal frequency at great length on this site before.

The most extensive review of studies on various meal frequencies and TEF was published in 1997. It looked at many different studies that compared TEF during meal frequencies ranging from 1-17 meals and concluded:

"Studies using whole-body calorimetry and doubly-labelled water to assess total 24 h energy expenditure find no difference between nibbling and gorging".

Since then, no studies have refuted this. For a summary of the above cited study, read this research review by Lyle McDonald.

Earlier this year, a new study was published on the topic. As expected, no differences were found between a lower (3 meals) and higher meal (6 meals) frequency. Read this post for my summary of the study. This study garnered some attention in the mass media and it was nice to see the meal frequency myth being debunked in The New York Times.

4. Myth: Fasting tricks the body into "starvation mode".


Truth

Efficient adaptation to famine was important for survival during rough times in our evolution. Lowering metabolic rate during starvation allowed us to live longer, increasing the possibility that we might come across something to eat. Starvation literally means starvation. It doesn't mean skipping a meal not eating for 24 hours. Or not eating for three days even. The belief that meal skipping or short-term fasting causes "starvation mode" is so completely ridiculous and absurd that it makes me want to jump out the window.

Looking at the numerous studies I've read, the earliest evidence for lowered metabolic rate in response to fasting occurred after 60 hours (-8% in resting metabolic rate). Other studies show metabolic rate is not impacted until 72-96 hours have passed (George Cahill has contributed a lot on this topic).

Seemingly paradoxical, metabolic rate is actually increased in short-term fasting. For some concrete numbers, studies have shown an increase of 3.6% - 10% after 36-48 hours (Mansell PI, et al, and Zauner C, et al). This makes sense from an evolutionary perspective. Epinephrine and norepinephrine (adrenaline/noradrenaline) sharpens the mind and makes us want to move around. Desirable traits that encouraged us to seek for food, or for the hunter to kill his prey, increasing survival. At some point, after several days of no eating, this benefit would confer no benefit to survival and probably would have done more harm than good; instead, an adaptation that favored conservation of energy turned out to be advantageous. Thus metabolic rate is increased in short-term fasting (up to 60 hours).

Again, I have choosen extreme examples to show how absurd the myth of "starvation mode" is - especially when you consider that the exact opposite is true in the context of how the term is thrown around.

This?

5. Myth: Maintain a steady supply of amino acids by eating protein every 2-3 hours. The body can only absorb 30 grams of protein in one sitting.


Truth

Whenever you hear something really crazy you need to ask yourself if it makes sense from an evolutionary perspective. It's a great way to quickly determine if something may be valid or if it's more likely a steaming pile of horse****. This myth is a great example of the latter. Do you think we would be here today if our bodies could only make use of 30 grams of protein per meal?

The simple truth is that more protein just takes a longer time to digest and be utilized. For some concrete numbers, digestion of a standard meal is still incomplete after five hours. Amino acids are still being released into your bloodstream and absorbed into muscles. You are still "anabolic." This is a fairly standard "Average Joe"-meal: 600 kcal, 75 g carbs, 37 g protein and 17 g fat. Best of all? This was after eating pizza, a refined food that should be quickly absorbed relatively speaking.

Think about this for a second. How long do you think a big steak, with double the protein intake of the above example, and a big pile of veggies would last you? More than 10 hours, that's for sure. Meal composition plays an important role in absorption speed, especially when it comes to amino acids. Type of protein, fiber, carbohydrates and prior meals eaten all affect how long you'll have amino acids released and being taken up by tissues after meals.

Wut?

[Lvisaa2]

Sure. If you Could possibley eat 3000-4000 calories in 2 meals, you have a gift. If your body can process that much protein, fat, carbs in 1 hour without 90% of it turning to fat, you are a genetic anomaly

Just ate the whole of my daily calories(3550 calories) in 1 sitting. I will either have all my calories in 1 meal or 2 meals(very rarely 3). Are you saying that this will turn to fat?

I did this while cutting, too. So even though I'm in a caloric deficit, it will turn to fat?

[jarekd1234]

Just ate the whole of my daily calories(3550 calories) in 1 sitting. I will either have all my calories in 1 meal or 2 meals(very rarely 3). Are you saying that this will turn to fat?

I did this while cutting, too. So even though I'm in a caloric deficit, it will turn to fat?

He needs to know what the first law of thermodynamics is..

lulz

[HunterCML]

URL negged me and left an insulting message in my CP. I never neg, but I guess I'll return the favor when I get off recharge.

Dear diary,
Today I tried to educate and help an ignorant man. He negged me. I ain't even mad tho.

fin

[PhiSig2298]

Just ate the whole of my daily calories(3550 calories) in 1 sitting. I will either have all my calories in 1 meal or 2 meals(very rarely 3). Are you saying that this will turn to fat?

I did this while cutting, too. So even though I'm in a caloric deficit, it will turn to fat?

Don't make me start a call out thread for proof