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    In. I want to get into strongman myself. Strong log. I saw you would perform events on basic lifting days. Now looks like an event day that's separate (what I see recommended).

    Do you only squat once a week usually? I typically squat 2-3x a week. May need to be different once I start an event day?
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    Originally Posted by davehaggett View Post
    Mmmm love me some block pulls
    They are fun.

    Originally Posted by musclehead09 View Post
    In. I want to get into strongman myself. Strong log. I saw you would perform events on basic lifting days. Now looks like an event day that's separate (what I see recommended).

    Do you only squat once a week usually? I typically squat 2-3x a week. May need to be different once I start an event day?
    Depends on the event. I will log press during the week sometimes. Occasionally I will hit yoke/farmers during the week. Other than pressing, it is rare that I will train events during the week. That leaves an event day on Sat or Sun.

    I only squat once per week. I found that it is more beneficial for me to squat early in the week and deadlift on Thur with events on the weekend. My squat day will usually have a quite a bit of volume in it. I find that squatting close to events makes things a bit more difficult than they should be. Also, given a pressing day, deadlift day, squat day and events day....your lower body gets a lot of work.

    General note, my training as of late has been rather low volume and kinda crappy in general work has been rough with long hours and lots of moving around. Not good for training.

    Other than that, I am off this week and competing on Saturday.
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    Originally Posted by thom2355 View Post
    They are fun.



    Depends on the event. I will log press during the week sometimes. Occasionally I will hit yoke/farmers during the week. Other than pressing, it is rare that I will train events during the week. That leaves an event day on Sat or Sun.

    I only squat once per week. I found that it is more beneficial for me to squat early in the week and deadlift on Thur with events on the weekend. My squat day will usually have a quite a bit of volume in it. I find that squatting close to events makes things a bit more difficult than they should be. Also, given a pressing day, deadlift day, squat day and events day....your lower body gets a lot of work.

    General note, my training as of late has been rather low volume and kinda crappy in general work has been rough with long hours and lots of moving around. Not good for training.

    Other than that, I am off this week and competing on Saturday.
    Nice! Yeah I noticed high volume squat days. Do you do tire flips/deadlifts on event days? I haven't noticed any of that yet scrolling through. I figured if I did deadlifts/tire flips on an event day then deadlifts would need to be done early in the week.

    Also I was wondering if 3 days a week of training would be enough. I train 4x a week currently but with college coming on top of a full time job will be hard to maintain 4x a week. So maybe the following:

    Monday - Heavy Deadlift/light Squats + Light OH Press/Accessories

    Wednesday - Heavy Squat/Power Clean + Heavy Bench/Accessories

    Friday - Event Day:
    Farmers Walk
    Heavy Clean and Press variant
    Tire Flips or Deadlift variant for reps

    This way heavy squats get done on Wednesday but squat assistance is done on Monday so I can recover for event day. Light overhead press on Monday and heavy bench on Wednesday as I'll still be Powerliftinng. Overhead strength gets hammered by heavy clean and press on event day. Light tempo runs can be done on off days as Chad Smith recommends. They only should take 20 minutes.
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    Originally Posted by musclehead09 View Post
    Nice! Yeah I noticed high volume squat days. Do you do tire flips/deadlifts on event days? I haven't noticed any of that yet scrolling through. I figured if I did deadlifts/tire flips on an event day then deadlifts would need to be done early in the week.

    Also I was wondering if 3 days a week of training would be enough. I train 4x a week currently but with college coming on top of a full time job will be hard to maintain 4x a week. So maybe the following:

    Monday - Heavy Deadlift/light Squats + Light OH Press/Accessories

    Wednesday - Heavy Squat/Power Clean + Heavy Bench/Accessories

    Friday - Event Day:
    Farmers Walk
    Heavy Clean and Press variant
    Tire Flips or Deadlift variant for reps

    This way heavy squats get done on Wednesday but squat assistance is done on Monday so I can recover for event day. Light overhead press on Monday and heavy bench on Wednesday as I'll still be Powerliftinng. Overhead strength gets hammered by heavy clean and press on event day. Light tempo runs can be done on off days as Chad Smith recommends. They only should take 20 minutes.
    I don't like deadlifts on event days as my event training can take 3-4 hours as it is. Plus, most events will have a deadlift component to them.

    As for tires, I hate tire flips. I will only train them if I have them coming up in a contest. Too much injury risk for me to justify them in training.

    With the training, anything can work. I would be hesitant with calling things "light". How are you programming the light movements and what benefit will they have? Know the purpose of what you are doing, write it out with logic, follow the plan. After giving it a few months, take a step back and reevaluate.
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    Originally Posted by Jason2459 View Post
    Have you heard anything from Casey D? He just disappeared from here.
    Yup.

    He is the state chair for a upstart strongman organization (United States Strongman) run by Willie Wessels (former NAS president). Still training and doing well. Promoting his first contest on September 6 I think. He has an athlete page on FB that he is active on.
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    Originally Posted by thom2355 View Post
    I don't like deadlifts on event days as my event training can take 3-4 hours as it is. Plus, most events will have a deadlift component to them.

    As for tires, I hate tire flips. I will only train them if I have them coming up in a contest. Too much injury risk for me to justify them in training.

    With the training, anything can work. I would be hesitant with calling things "light". How are you programming the light movements and what benefit will they have? Know the purpose of what you are doing, write it out with logic, follow the plan. After giving it a few months, take a step back and reevaluate.
    Light squats would be front squats at about 60-70% of my front squat max. Front squats have helped my squat rapidly increase. Light overhead work would be done to get frequent pressing in. My overhead press is not even intermediate. I need to train it frequently. Light here would mean around 70% for reps and increase each week. I understand what you mean tho by being careful.

    And thanks for the advice and input on what you do. I've been following a westside style program (using ME rotations and DE/RE work) since February. The rotating lifts are very similar to the actual powerlifts so it works great for me. I want to keep conjugate concepts while adding strongman events.
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    Originally Posted by musclehead09 View Post
    Light squats would be front squats at about 60-70% of my front squat max. Front squats have helped my squat rapidly increase. Light overhead work would be done to get frequent pressing in. My overhead press is not even intermediate. I need to train it frequently. Light here would mean around 70% for reps and increase each week. I understand what you mean tho by being careful.

    And thanks for the advice and input on what you do. I've been following a westside style program (using ME rotations and DE/RE work) since February. The rotating lifts are very similar to the actual powerlifts so it works great for me. I want to keep conjugate concepts while adding strongman events.
    What you have said makes a good degree of sense. Just keep tabs as you progress and you will be good. Any questions you may have, let me know. Always happy to help out when I can.
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    Originally Posted by thom2355 View Post
    Yup.

    He is the state chair for a upstart strongman organization (United States Strongman) run by Willie Wessels (former NAS president). Still training and doing well. Promoting his first contest on September 6 I think. He has an athlete page on FB that he is active on.
    Yeah that's the last I saw of him on here was that thread he created talking about the new org he's helping with as state chair. Good to know its going well for him. No FB here.
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    Yeah that's the last I saw of him on here was that thread he created talking about the new org he's helping with as state chair. Good to know its going well for him. No FB here.
    That is it. I was going to enter his contest, but I already committed to a local one in the same organization that day. Going to try and support him in the future though.
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    *Heavy yoke has been my nemesis. Anything over 800 has always made my right knee buckle. It use to happen with 700, but I was able to get past that. Lunges helped with that, and I had been doing them for a while, but with heavier weight I may need heavier lunges. These will go into the programming somehow. Knew this wasn't going to go well, but will need for it to get better eventually if I have any hope of competing at Nationals.

    Monster DB Press

    Max reps with 190 lb 14" DB in 60 sec

    No reps. Only two guys got reps, so this would have been huge to hit one.

    *Was very close on two attempts. This was well in excess of my PR. I have only hit 170ish for one in like 30 attempts over several sessions. That DB is awkward and the handle is about equivalent to a 24 oz Labatt Blue can. I will get this one day.

    Keg Toss

    22, 22, 27, 27, 32, 32 over 18' bar

    11.92 seconds. First place.

    *My best event by far. The bar was closer to 20' for perspective. Next closest time was 20 seconds. More contests need this event.

    Load Your Own Deadlift

    630, 650, 675, 700, 730

    5 reps in 42ish seconds. Fourth place.

    *Little slip up on the third rep cost me a second or two. 1.6 seconds faster and I would have taken second. Paced myself a bit as I wanted to make sure I got all five reps in.....but in hind sight, should have just moved faster. The last rep was still pretty easy.

    Alternating Stone Over Bar

    300/360 over 54" bar

    *I haven't touched heavy stones or tacky since my contest in February. Kinda tough to improve that way. Need to find a place to hit stones.


    Pretty sh*tty performance, but I am strong enough to place high in a talented show. There was some top notch talent at this contest. I would not have beat the top guy, but 20' with the yoke, tad faster on the deadlift, a rep on the DB, OR four reps on the stones would have put me in third. All of them and I would have had a really good shot at second.

    Work schedule should lessen from 80-90 hours a week now and allow for a little better training and recovery (been getting 5-6 hours of sleep a night), so I expect performance to get better in the near future. Contest coming up on 8/23 and again on 9/6. After that, I will take a break until February or so....at least I say that now.

    On the diet front, I weighed in at 285 on Monday after taking a leak and nekked. I weighed in fully clothed, shoes on and stuff in pockets at 291 after a week of carb loading and breakfast. With that said, I may get a few more calories added in my pursuit of heading back to 300 lbs. This will be slow, but need to get the weight going back up.

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    2nd DB rep was very close. I wouldn't call that a ****ty performance, I'd call it a stepping stone contest to something greater down the road. It's hard to tell from the video but if you had your feet a little bit more forward on the DL (rather than inline with the apparatus) you could go more up/back rather than just up...makes it feel lighter in my experience. Strong job as always man...
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    2nd DB rep was very close. I wouldn't call that a ****ty performance, I'd call it a stepping stone contest to something greater down the road. It's hard to tell from the video but if you had your feet a little bit more forward on the DL (rather than inline with the apparatus) you could go more up/back rather than just up...makes it feel lighter in my experience. Strong job as always man...
    Yeah, I just wanted more. Wanted to try and grind out 40' on the yoke. DB was not very close. Perhaps on the DL. Didn't put much thought into it as it was a rather light pull. Need to work on that for heavier pulls though. Makes all the difference on a heavy car pull.

    It was a heavy contest that is where I need to be to compete at the level I want....but as with all things in life, you cannot have it all. Been working a lot and cutting weight....and that is not optimal for strength gains. Next few contests are rather light, so I should be able to push them a bit more.

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    Originally Posted by darren.dugan View Post
    That really sucks with the yoke. Learning experience there I suppose. Was pretty fukking cool to watch them kegs fly!

    eta: not sure why I wasn't subbed in here already. subbed now.
    I mean....I have known yoke was an issue for a while. Cannot get around it though. Have to figure it out. It will take a while, but I will get it.

    Keg toss was awesome. My favorite!

    Originally Posted by psychodiver9 View Post
    Damn you destroyed the keg toss. Sorry to hear you're dissapointsd with the day
    Thanks. I just have high expectations. It wasn't that bad for where I am at....but I know where I should be and that is frusterating. Like I mentioned....lots of things going in life right now, so lifting isn't exactly the top priority. It will get the focus here soon though.

    Originally Posted by Jason2459 View Post
    Good or bad that was one hell of a performance. You're definitely on the right path.
    Thanks man. If you look at the three years I have been doing this....leaps and bounds. Just need to grind out that last bit to be very competitive.
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    Some photos from the contest. Had a great photographer that captured a lot.



    The bastard yoke.



    DB Silliness



    The only event that matters.



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    The lil' stone



    The Pole Push.

    We had a single elimination pole push tournament, best two of three, with a small buy in, 50/50 pot to the winner. I ended up taking second in this, just missing out on $80. Throw back to the mid 90's WSM. Very tough. Went against my training partner/event announcer in the second round. He was fresh, but was burdened by Leiderhousen. I took him down winning round 1, losing round 2 and winning round 3. Was wiped by the finals and we decided to go sudden death with one round. Missed having him out by an inch and got off balance. Was fun, but really....REALLY tiring. Something cool to do while scores were being tallied.
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    Damn dude, you weren't kidding about the diameter of that grip on the dumbbell

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    Originally Posted by darren.dugan View Post
    Damn dude, you weren't kidding about the diameter of that grip on the dumbbell
    I'm telling you....that thing is a beast. That is the 14". I will probably buy a 12" from the guy that makes those. Pricey, but I am fairly certain you cannot break them.
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    Originally Posted by thom2355 View Post
    Yup.

    He is the state chair for a upstart strongman organization (United States Strongman) run by Willie Wessels (former NAS president). Still training and doing well. Promoting his first contest on September 6 I think. He has an athlete page on FB that he is active on.
    What he said. I just wanted a break from BB.com. I'll log again for you Jason.

    Paul. Good luck at your up coming contests. You cannot break those DB's. I chucked one off the platform in a contest once, it was fine.
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    What he said. I just wanted a break from BB.com. I'll log again for you Jason.

    Paul. Good luck at your up coming contests. You cannot break those DB's. I chucked one off the platform in a contest once, it was fine.
    Thanks man. Next contest you have that isn't in conflict with a prior commitment....I will be there.
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    That keg toss picture is pretty sweet too.
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    Originally Posted by FrmrHoss View Post
    That keg toss picture is pretty sweet too.
    Agree and if you look closely at the keg toss apparatus, it looks set up for Thad to use it as a yoke.
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    Strongman stuff looks like so much fun
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    Pics were awesome at least. Sorry you didn't do as well as you had hoped
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    Originally Posted by FrmrHoss View Post
    That keg toss picture is pretty sweet too.
    I like it. There is one on my FB that is me starting to celebrate as the 6th keg is coming down.

    Originally Posted by CROMAGS1985 View Post
    Agree and if you look closely at the keg toss apparatus, it looks set up for Thad to use it as a yoke.
    Nah, there is 740 loaded on it....oh, you meant by height

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    Strongman stuff looks like so much fun
    It is great.

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    Pics were awesome at least. Sorry you didn't do as well as you had hoped
    It was fun. We are usually toughest on ourselves. Part of it is that in the last few contests, minor improvements on a couple events would have meant placing on the "podium". I need to get there.
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    Thanks man. Next contest you have that isn't in conflict with a prior commitment....I will be there.
    There will be more for sure. Things are changing and I'm happy to be part of it. Thanks for the support.
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    545 x 3 (3 sets)

    *Felt awful. First time pulling from the floor in a while. No video of the first set, but rep 1 was off....2 and 3 were solid. Had to take a bathroom break after the first set....so the second set was quite a bit off.

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    BW x 10,8,8

    *Have the foot plate at the highest setting now. Pretty tough.

    Abs

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    BW x 50 sec (3 sets)


    Fairly short day. Just wanted to get back to training. My back was a bit off on Monday, so I didn't squat. Shoulder is doing better, but figured I would rest it one more week to see what happens, so that left me with training today. Not awful, but not good.

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    Did the bathroom break make your belt just not fit quite as tight anymore?
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