"A calorie is a calorie" violates the second law of thermodynamics

[hskidd]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC506782/
well this is interesting

[Geoloop]

anyone know TEF of alcohol?


edit: found the answer i think; incase anyone wants to know: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC524030/

also thanks to post below

[Siafu4Life]

anyone know TEF of alcohol?

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...2366243&page=1

[Ryan314]

In for Alan's response

edit- or **** storm.

[Siafu4Life]

anyone know TEF of alcohol?


edit: found the answer i think; incase anyone wants to know: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC524030/

also thanks to post below

No prob!

[FourToEight]

I honestly don't know what there is to discuss, I thought this was old info?
"calorie is a calorie" only applies in discussions surrounding meal frequency and timing (where it is assumed that the meal is identical in both scenarios).

[bilaba70]

In for Alan's response

Intredasting

[Geoloop]

I honestly don't know what there is to discuss, I thought this was old info?
"calorie is a calorie" only applies in discussions surrounding meal frequency and timing (where it is assumed that the meal is identical in both scenarios).

this

[sawoobley]

A calorie is a calorie violates the second law of thermodynamics?

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[NewarkBears]

Wow...very nice. Thanks. Bump and please sticky.

[WonderPug]

In for Alan's response

I believe that Alan's love for the study authors is the stuff of legends.

[alan aragon]

i believe that alan's love for the study authors is the stuff of legends.

lmfao!!!!!!

[alan aragon]

Wow...very nice. Thanks. Bump and please sticky.

The bottm line of your siggy is strong flame bait, & we don't need that around here. Delete it or you're outa here. Thanks.

[jake1224]

This is the part where somebody chimes in with a credible judgement. Because now I am confuse.

[Ryan314]

This is the part where somebody chimes in with a credible judgement. Because now I am confuse.

This lol.

[ANIMALISTIKZ]

has it not already been discussed by alan that the TEF of food is so small in the big picture that it is basically irrelevant to a caloric balance

[NegatronPrime]

So rule #2 isn't We do not talk about thermodynamics?


oshi....I has reading tudu

[Siafu4Life]

So rule #2 isn't We do not talk about thermodynamics?


oshi....I has reading tudu

Looks like you are correct, Negatron!!

[FemmeFatale28]

Im kinda confused too. I just read the study and Im never good at understanding them because my knowledge is very basic.. its seems like its trying to argue that a calorie is not a calorie because of TEF but thats the only real arguement I can understand

[MarkVI]

Looks like you are correct, Negatron!!

Wow whoever took test that is really ignorant lol

[VIsland]

Wow whoever took test that is really ignorant lol

Whomever marked that exam is sense of humour deficient.

[Lvisaa2]

I think it's relatively common knowledge that the TEFs of macros differ. In a sense, a calorie is not exactly equivalent to all calories, but the relevancy of the difference in TEF is minimal unless taken to extremes - i.e. substituting 100 grams of macros for others. Technically, the irrelevancy is even furthered by the population of this board who in large part tracks their daily consumption. Since we know the caloric input, it is simply a matter of adjusting it to fit our needs and TEF is simply part of the output in calories in/out.

[Siafu4Life]

Wow whoever took test that is really ignorant lol

LOL...thought the same thing!

Whomever marked that exam is sense of humour deficient.

And again...thought the same thing!!

[FemmeFatale28]

Whomever marked that exam is sense of humour deficient.

would have been nice if next to enzyme and co enzyme instead of "nice try" it would have had "lol"

[VIsland]

would have been nice if next to enzyme and co enzyme instead of "nice try" it would have had "lol"

Yes! I know if I was a teacher I'd be laying funnies down all the time

[rand18m]

Very interesting and makes physiological sense to me! The continued results of clinical tests on low CHO diets for the obese in terms of not only short term weight loss, but improved blood lipid and other health profiles are very positive. Academia made fun of Dr. Atkins, sometimes terribly, but they are now publicly stating that in the right conditions, or for the right group of people, he was correct! It's nothing new, the first book on this subject was written in the latter part of the 19th century by a mortician, who on earth would take nutrition advice from a mortician. He was obese and found through trial and error that low CHO diet helped him. Good subject hskidd, thanks for posting.

[MikeK46]

The fact that TEF (energy expenditure) differs for the various macros doesn't inviolate the fact that a calorie (energy intake) is a calorie.

[Ghosting]

Very interesting and makes physiological sense to me! The continued results of clinical tests on low CHO diets for the obese in terms of not only short term weight loss, but improved blood lipid and other health profiles are very positive. Academia made fun of Dr. Atkins, sometimes terribly, but they are now publicly stating that in the right conditions, or for the right group of people, he was correct! It's nothing new, the first book on this subject was written in the latter part of the 19th century by a mortician, who on earth would take nutrition advice from a mortician. He was obese and found through trial and error that low CHO diet helped him. Good subject hskidd, thanks for posting.

The problem is, is that keto'ers, low carbers, or Atkins disciples makes it sound as if it is ideal for everyone.

[staunchkg]

The fact that TEF (energy expenditure) differs for the various macros doesn't inviolate the fact that a calorie (energy intake) is a calorie.

Pretty sure a few minds will get blown at that Mike

[JValjean724]

In other news: a mile is not a mile.



Since when has Bill Clinton been writing about nutrition?