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    Testosterone: It's on the decline, let's save ours (serious)

    I've been in a few threads lately, primarily jail bait threads, where people are shocked to see how fast women are maturing these days in comparison to us males. It seems that every few years women go through puberty faster while men are going in the opposite direction and seemingly becoming emasculated. Why is this happening, you may ask? Estrogen.

    Xenoestrogen

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenoestrogen

    One Xenoestrogen of particular importance is Bisphenol A. Clicking on that link will lead you to a wealth of information on it's health effects but most important to us, the sexual, see below:

    A 2009 study on Chinese workers in BPA factories found that workers were four times more likely to report erectile dysfunction, reduced sexual desire and overall dissatisfaction with their sex life than workers with no heightened BPA exposure.[126] BPA workers were also seven times more likely to have ejaculation difficulties. They were also more likely to report reduced sexual function within one year of beginning employment at the factory, and the higher the exposure, the more likely they were to have sexual difficulties.[127]
    Oh, sh*t, right? Granted, if you work in a factory that makes BPA your exposure will obviously be at a much higher rate than someone with a "normal" job, the point I'm trying to make is that it does affect your sexual life and hormones. It would take far too much space to go into every minute detail on every toxic xenoestrogen and phytoestrogen and why we should avoid them the most we can so I'd rather talk about what we can do and instead link you to some interesting documentaries.

    The Disappearing Male
    An Emasculating Truth

    I haven't seen the second but I have seen the first, which is said to be a little more informative and deals with more of the nitty gritty factors. Now for the good stuff.

    OK, I'm worried, what can I do to protect myself and increase my Testosterone?

    According to Charles Poliquin, one of the best products us men can take to deal with foreign estrogen is DIM. Here is a snippet from a fat loss seminar he held on DIM and it's effects:

    As for estrogen, DIM is a strong anti-estrogen that specifically targets the bad estrogens caused by phyto-estrogens in our environment.
    (see full seminar text here).

    Other things worth mentioning are completely avoiding plastics whenever possible, unless they explicitly state BPA-free. Camelbak makes an excellent 32 oz water bottle that I use, you can find that here if you're interested. As bodybuilders chances are wherever we go we're packing a meal or two and that meal is typically in some type of plastic container; switch to glass.

    Invest some money in a good water filter, although a water filter will not filter out estrogen (there are none that I am aware of) there are other toxic compounds in the water that you do not want inside of your body.

    As far as diet goes, please please please, please, do not go low fat. Testosterone is heavily dependent on fat and cholesterol for production. Stock up on olive oil, coconut oil, butter (real butter), they're all good choices. Eat eggs with the yolk. Buy grass feed beef whenever possible.

    You've switched out your old containers, you're eating a good amount of fat in your diet and taking DIM to help keep your estrogen in check, great. What else can you do?

    Zinc; http://ergo-log.com/zincgluconatetest.html
    Magnesium; http://ergo-log.com/magnesiumtestosterone.html
    Calcium; http://ergo-log.com/calciumt.html
    Vitamin D3; http://ergo-log.com/vitamindtestosterone.html

    I have been following the advice I have just written here to the best of my ability and life is much better for me now. I sleep like a rock, get hard whenever I want (believe it or not, if you stay on this forum long enough you'll see this is a concern for many) and I am busting through plateau's at the gym. This guide is not meant to be all inclusive and I hope with help from the community we can expand it further and perhaps help restore men to what we used to be.
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    so where can i buy this DIM stuff?
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    so where can i buy this DIM stuff?
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    zinc and magnesium work well too but you have to take it for months to get your levels high enough to battle estrogen.
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    what about sex pills like horny goat weed? do they help boost test?
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    intredasting. a quick google search of "does DIM really work" shows all positive reviews of it removing EXCESS estrogen.
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    Testosterone! Whoop, whoop!

    edit: OP, you seem knowledgable. Is it true that your body produces more estrogen when your BF% is high?
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    I read right here on the misc about a guy who took D-Aspartic Acid and after he went off he couldn't get full boners anymore. Maybe he'll post in here.

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    zinc and magnesium work well too but you have to take it for months to get your levels high enough to battle estrogen.
    I noticed increase sperm production within a week of taking Zinc.

    Originally Posted by rjones416 View Post
    what about sex pills like horny goat weed? do they help boost test?
    Things like Maca, Yohimbine, Horny Goat Weed etc. as far as I know just make you horny and none of them actually raise your Testosterone or combat Estrogen. This isn't meant to be an all informative thread and I am hoping other members of the community contribute.
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    so where can i buy this DIM stuff?



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    I read right here on the misc about a guy who took D-Aspartic Acid and after he went off he couldn't get full boners anymore. Maybe he'll post in here.



    I noticed increase sperm production within a week of taking Zinc.



    Things like Maca, Yohimbine, Horny Goat Weed etc. as far as I know just make you horny and none of them actually raise your Testosterone or combat Estrogen. This isn't meant to be an all informative thread and I am hoping other members of the community contribute.
    maca is overrated, in my country peru, this **** is cheap as hell .. in like cents because thats where maca is from

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    Hey OP, can you provide me a link where to buy that BPA-free bottle? All I do is drink water out of my damn plastic gallon.
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    meh maybe these new age men girls are the ones on here always saying natural bodybuilding is a waste of time etc. I dunno about you guys but i notice my gains week to week, session to session most of the time and i have never considered this sport to be something that takes time to see results.
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    Eat cruciferous veggies. Broccoli, cauliflower and cabbage yields compounds called indoles that help lower certain estrogens, which in turn can help reduce estrogen’s inhibitory effects on testosterone production.

    Eat plenty of carbs. A higher ratio of carbs-to-protein – somewhere around 2:1 is best – results in higher testosterone levels. Shoot for at least 2 grams of carbs per pound of bodyweight.

    Do not eat too much. Taking in too many calories can lead to gains in bodyfat, which can ultimately lead to lower testosterone levels via increased levels of estrogen.

    Do not eat too much protein. Consuming more protein than carbs can increase the loss of testosterone through urination. While protein is necessary for higher testosterone levels, too much can have a negative effect. Stick to about 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight.
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