Testosterone: It's on the decline, let's save ours (serious)

[ymer]

What the fak are we supposed to drink then.

brb tap water has estrogen
brb plastic bottles release estrogen

brb watch bear grills

[FinalFlare]

brb watch bear grills

please asplain

[TheDaveuk]

BPA is not going to effect fully grown men. Governments are actually aware of this chemical and have cautioned against over-exposure to infants and children.

Strong meat heads making a big deal out of nothing ITT. Making the male gender an embarrassment.

[iBundy]

BPA is not going to effect fully grown men. Governments are aware of this and have cautioned over exposure to infants and children.

Strong meat heads making a big deal out of nothing ITT. Making the male gender an embarrassment.

enjoy your 10 daughters and 5 dead male fetuses

[momo5]

All this sh*t is true.

Dunno if its been mentioned yet, but birth control pills are another problem. They will raise estrogen in women significantly. Then the women piss them out into the water supply. Sewage treatment plants don't filter out estrogen because it costs too much. Thus. There is estrogen in our tap water adding to this problem.

-Little girls at the age of 5 are growing breasts.
-Male T levels are much lower than they were 50 years ago.
-Sexual organs of fish near sewage treatment plants are changing, dead fking srs.
-We put soy in almost everything. Go look at your bread or anything in a box and you'll see soy in 95% of it.
-Obesity is also causing our hormones to get wacked. But its not just fat people. Look at how girly a lot of males look nowadays. Its all phucked.
-Pharmaceutical meds are also in our water supply.
-Hormones put in meat/dairy, etc.

Another good option is to start distilling your own water or doing some hardcore filtering. Those cheap brits filters and what not don't do sh*t. Something like a reverse osmosis would be better.

The two best AI's to get are Aromasin or Arimidex. You should low dose those so you don't get unwanted side effects like joint pain or lethargy. Remember, your body needs some estrogen.

12.5mg Aromasin 2x a week or 0.25mg Arimidex 2x a week should be plenty and will help regulate estrogen levels while increasing overall testosterone.

I agreed with you blindly until you said estrogen makes guys look girly. You would have to be on estrogen hormone therapy like tranny therapy they go through for years to look feminine through estrogen. it takes years of heavy estrogen dosage to develop feminine traits such as hips, and woman shape, tits etc. wearing make up, dressing a certain way or caring about how look has nothing to do with estrogen.

you got credible sources for your claims of tits at age 5 etc lol?

[kasperj]

please asplain

better drink your own piss

[pacmane]

What the fak are we supposed to drink then.

brb tap water has estrogen
brb plastic bottles release estrogen

This. Op says filtration can't even extract estrogen from the tap water so is the estrogen in tap water less harmful than plastic bottles?

[verticaljump]

This. Op says filtration can't even extract estrogen from the tap water so is the estrogen in tap water less harmful than plastic bottles?

Don't reverse osmosis filters do something like that? I remember reading that in a thread a while back so I'm not sure...

[Huke]

Long read, but this article has a lot to do with environmental estrogenic compounds and their effects on males. You can download the full article in pdf.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1469672/

Edit: Some of the most important stuff is that not only do many of these compounds have a de-masculinizing effect, they also have a feminizing effect. In some animals, using the two together on unborn animals has had a sex-reversing effect, turning would-be males into females.

These results are taken on a historical basis and DO SHOW decreasing test in human men in many countries over the last several decades.

[TurkeyMan1992]

Someone Cliffs this **** for GREEN SKITTLES

[JAR6]

oh fuk this sh*t!

Im getting on the juice. Can't even drink normal facking water when your natty.

[bybon]

Don't reverse osmosis filters do something like that? I remember reading that in a thread a while back so I'm not sure...

Yea, and that's far too expensive for municipalities.

Also, male androgens have been found in sewage water; if there's a chance for estrogen, there's a chance to get testosterone in your tap water. The problem is that the majority of AAS used is injectable, thus no bio-availability through ingestion.

If only everyone used anadrol and flushed them....LOL

[jeffJJ]

Zinc
Magnesium
Calcium
Vitamin D3

what are the dosages/amount per day for a 17 year old in all of these?

[CSpanky]

Zinc
Magnesium
Calcium
Vitamin D3

what are the dosages/amount per day for a 17 year old in all of these?

Same here for a 19 year old. What do you recommend for magnesium and calcium? My orange triad already gives 25% and I drink A LOT of milk and eat cheese. Also vitamin d3, do we only need 100% DV? looking at the NOW Vitamin D-3 for the D3. Not sure on the magnesium or dosage of d3 though. Reps!

[jr gong]

Zinc
Magnesium
Calcium
Vitamin D3

what are the dosages/amount per day for a 17 year old in all of these?

I take 30mg of Zinc, 800mg of Magnesium, 1g Calcium, and 5,000ius of Vitamin D.

I use the glycinate form of Zinc and the citrate forms of Magnesium and Calcium. You should take the Zinc and Calcium apart, too, as they interfere with absorption.

[CSpanky]

I take 30mg of Zinc, 800mg of Magnesium, 1g Calcium, and 5,000ius of Vitamin D.

I use the glycinate form of Zinc and the citrate forms of Magnesium and Calcium. You should take the Zinc and Calcium apart, too, as they interfere with absorption.

what do you recommend for zinc? I saw this http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/dr.../triazole.html but I know nothing when it comes to this stuff.

[TuongLuKim]

lol I remember seeing youtube vids by the documentary maker

[Zen18]

wait so even plastic protein shaker bottles are a no?

[naturalnumba]

got some zinc today, not going to supplement with calcium since I'm sure I get enough in the diet, will look for vit D and mg later this week.

cool thread bro

[ZenBowman]

jesus ****ing christ, what the **** is this earth coming to?

brb global population control by systematically extincting the male human species through emasculating chemicals


I'm just gonna become amish and live of the land, never touching a consumer product again.

It is precisely our huge populations that have led to the current state of affairs. Consider this a self-correction. Those who are aware will be able to eat healthily and reproduce, those who aren't will be the end of their genetic lines, maybe there is a chance that the world will heal itself and we will return to a sustainable population.

[LikeAMachine]

Wat do!



Wat do misc i is scurred!

[jeffJJ]

I take 30mg of Zinc, 800mg of Magnesium, 1g Calcium, and 5,000ius of Vitamin D.

I use the glycinate form of Zinc and the citrate forms of Magnesium and Calcium. You should take the Zinc and Calcium apart, too, as they interfere with absorption.

since these amounts are usually multiple pills, other than calcium and zinc can i just take all the doses at the same time? Also is Nature Made V-D (http://www.naturemade.com/Products/Segments/Vitamin-D) okay? Is Vit D necessary if you spend a lot of time in the sun?

also, on a side note, i have flaxseed oil capsules at home, what doses are these good to take at?

thanks

[jj00ee]

Fawk it, no one answered me

So I ordered a BPA free 32oz Nalgene

Been re-using Deer Park water bottles for years, and they use plastic #1 which apparently is only good for one use FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[CSpanky]

this a good water bottle as well? Or can I find cheaper? http://www.amazon.com/NALGENE-Tritan...pr_product_top

[jr gong]

since these amounts are usually multiple pills, other than calcium and zinc can i just take all the doses at the same time? Also is Nature Made V-D (http://www.naturemade.com/Products/Segments/Vitamin-D) okay? Is Vit D necessary if you spend a lot of time in the sun?

also, on a side note, i have flaxseed oil capsules at home, what doses are these good to take at?

thanks

As long as you take the Calcium and Zinc apart that should be fine. Any Vitamin D is good as long as its D-3 and not the other form.

[buckfangs]

any solutions for the water dilemma?

[jr gong]

any solutions for the water dilemma?

There is no cut and dry solution to the water issue. I have yet to see a filter strong enough to remove estrogen, we just have to do the best we can.

[lee902]

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...&highlight=DIM

Kind of second guessing the DIM...

[CSpanky]

what do you recommend for zinc? I saw this http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/dr.../triazole.html but I know nothing when it comes to this stuff.

[BeastlyChange]

Wait a second... So I'm now taking zinc,calcium, magnesium, and Vit D3 all in one cap from nature made... are you telling me the calcium will cancel the zinc out?