Still taking multi-vitamins whilst lifting heavy? Cut the multi...

[ilicet51]

Superstition grew fast with about vitamins, and they promptly acquired a reputation as magical cure-alls. Manufacturers were quick to exploit the myth, baffled physicians were relieved to adopt it, and comfort seeking patients were (and are) all too willing to believe it. Evidence for minor benefits from various vitamins is hard to obtain and generally anecdotal or of an unconvincing kind. But poisoning by excess, particularly of the fat-soluble vitamins, is well known: nervous disturbances and birth defects are caused by an excess of Vitamin A, and excess of body calcium and kidney stones by Vitamin D (careful other powerlifters). Yet vitamins remain a popular and heavily prompted form of therapy, rarely (in prosperous countries) with any rational basis. They are far more rewarding to the shareholders of manufacturing companies than to most people who consume them.

Whether vitamins are drugs is a matter of the use of language, and need not be pursued. The term vitamin, contracted mistakenly by Casmir Funk from 'vital amine', is misleading, because most accessory food factors are not amines, and whether they are vital, meaning essential for survival, differs from species to species. But the name has come to stay.

Americans: There is no reason to continue to waste money on vitamins. Every single thing you consume is getting vitamins added, from your milk/bread/ to your water/energy drinks, etc. You're consuming an excess of vitamins and that's far worse for you than not consuming quite enough. Just eat healthy and start taking steroids whilst lifting heavy.

Hope this helps. Credit to Roy Porter former Professor Emeritus of the Social History of Medicine at the Wellcome Trust Center for the History of Medicine at the University College of London.

Cliffs: Cut the multi.

[muffinman1996]

No tanks

[lts1ow]

Steroids are better than a multi??

No wayz.

[ilicet51]

Steroids are better than a multi??

No wayz.

That parts' a joke.

[berkim]

Any science and studies to back up this "revelation"? I would like to see the blood work/vitamin deficiency tests of powerlifters who take a multi vs powerlifters who don't take a multi.

[PhreEkGarden]

I wanna cut my multi for steroids

[justin36253]

hahahah, so wait. It is more dangerous to get extra water soluble vitamins then to be at a deficiency and die from things like scurvy? Oh ... ok

[DCSpartan]

the expereinces of thousands of trained athletes trumps one wacko in some university doing a research study with anemic couch potato college kid volunteers.

[ilicet51]

hahahah, so wait. It is more dangerous to get extra water soluble vitamins then to be at a deficiency and die from things like scurvy? Oh ... ok

Where did you get that from sailor?

[Fluster]

hahahah, so wait. It is more dangerous to get extra water soluble vitamins then to be at a deficiency and die from things like scurvy? Oh ... ok

If you manage to die from scurvy in 2011 you have greater issues than worrying about taking vitamin supplements.

On topic - ish: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...-to-take-risks

[Seanzilla HCPL]

Back in 2008 I had blood work done. The tests revealed that I was deficient in Vitamin D (it was a hospital physician who ran and diagnosed these tests.) I took 10,000ius a day for 14 days and now I'm on a 4,000iu daily maintenance dose. My latest blood work showed that I'm at optimal levels now.

Also, many of today's foods are lower in nutritional value than they used to be, thanks to farmers looking into faster ways to produce crops. And I suspect that a lot of the vitamin enhancements done by the farming community is with synthetic vitamins, which are not as readily absorbed as food source multis.

[samh2011]

even drinking too much water will kill me...but i doubt i will ever come close to comsuming the neccesary amount to do so.....so i think i will carry on taking my multi 'nomsayin'?

[Fluster]

Back in 2008 I had blood work done. The tests revealed that I was deficient in Vitamin D (it was a hospital physician who ran and diagnosed these tests.) I took 10,000ius a day for 14 days and now I'm on a 4,000iu daily maintenance dose. My latest blood work showed that I'm at optimal levels now.

Also, many of today's foods are lower in nutritional value than they used to be, thanks to farmers looking into faster ways to produce crops. And I suspect that a lot of the vitamin enhancements done by the farming community is with synthetic vitamins, which are not as readily absorbed as food source multis.

Or.... you could have crawled out of your "Secret Laboratory Underneath the Volcano" and got some damn sunshine like normal people.

[BrianLD]

You're a moron in this case. Think before you type. If you don't provide a group of people with any solid evidence to back up claims that argue against what they currently do, you can't honestly expect that group of people to blindly jump ship. The stereotype for US citizens is funny most of the time(since other countries 8/10 regard us as an alien species your culture tries to emulate and insult at the same time), but what does it have to do with no multi's? You afraid that American powerlifters will keep taking multis, so all of your powerlifters will start to do the same?

Do you buy all the same brands of bread, milk, pasta and other food that I pick up from my local stores? You know the stereotype, but you don't actually know what I'm eating or what's in it.....and I'm American. So you don't know if I get enough vitamins from my normal diet or not.

[NC_Tarheel]

Or.... you could have crawled out of your "Secret Laboratory Underneath the Volcano" and got some damn sunshine like normal people.

Oh how I've missed you....

[Liftamulti]

Your dumb brah. You're supposed to lift the multi.

[str8flexed]

Superstition grew fast with about vitamins, and they promptly acquired a reputation as magical cure-alls. Manufacturers were quick to exploit the myth, baffled physicians were relieved to adopt it, and comfort seeking patients were (and are) all too willing to believe it. Evidence for minor benefits from various vitamins is hard to obtain and generally anecdotal or of an unconvincing kind. But poisoning by excess, particularly of the fat-soluble vitamins, is well known: nervous disturbances and birth defects are caused by an excess of Vitamin A, and excess of body calcium and kidney stones by Vitamin D (careful other powerlifters). Yet vitamins remain a popular and heavily prompted form of therapy, rarely (in prosperous countries) with any rational basis. They are far more rewarding to the shareholders of manufacturing companies than to most people who consume them.

Whether vitamins are drugs is a matter of the use of language, and need not be pursued. The term vitamin, contracted mistakenly by Casmir Funk from 'vital amine', is misleading, because most accessory food factors are not amines, and whether they are vital, meaning essential for survival, differs from species to species. But the name has come to stay.

Americans: There is no reason to continue to waste money on vitamins. Every single thing you consume is getting vitamins added, from your milk/bread/ to your water/energy drinks, etc. You're consuming an excess of vitamins and that's far worse for you than not consuming quite enough. Just eat healthy and start taking steroids whilst lifting heavy.

Hope this helps. Credit to Roy Porter former Professor Emeritus of the Social History of Medicine at the Wellcome Trust Center for the History of Medicine at the University College of London.

Cliffs: Cut the multi.

one multi vitamin per day is hardly enough to cause you to get anywhere near toxic levels of fat soluble vitamins. Please do some actual research rather than copy/paste

[berkim]

No science/solid research to back up OP's claims?

[Tom Bro]

You're consuming an excess of vitamins

strong assumption.

[Austere]

If you knew what genetic modifications have done to the nutritional content of food in America, you would agree that multivitamins are a necessity.

[Fluster]

If you knew what genetic modifications have done to the nutritional content of food in America, you would agree that multivitamins are a necessity.

Please educate us from your vast reservoir of research.

[str8flexed]

If you knew what genetic modifications have done to the nutritional content of food in America, you would agree that multivitamins are a necessity.

i sense broscience about to be spewed

[Doollas]

Well since we are on the subject...what are your beliefs on MV's Layne?

[strongozilla]

Looks like someone has been reading their emails from Dr Mercola.

[koyongi]

I like my vitamins. Especially since I only eat like 6 different things.

[str8flexed]

Looks like someone has been reading their emails from Dr Mercola.

That guy is the biggest scam artist hack out there

[naturalguy]

Thanks but I'll still take my multi

[Doollas]

Thanks but I'll still take my multi

Ignorant Americans...we will never learn?

[ilicet51]

Back in 2008 I had blood work done. The tests revealed that I was deficient in Vitamin D (it was a hospital physician who ran and diagnosed these tests.) I took 10,000ius a day for 14 days and now I'm on a 4,000iu daily maintenance dose. My latest blood work showed that I'm at optimal levels now.

Also, many of today's foods are lower in nutritional value than they used to be, thanks to farmers looking into faster ways to produce crops. And I suspect that a lot of the vitamin enhancements done by the farming community is with synthetic vitamins, which are not as readily absorbed as food source multis.

A Vitamin D supplement isn't a multi.

even drinking too much water will kill me...but i doubt i will ever come close to comsuming the neccesary amount to do so.....so i think i will carry on taking my multi 'nomsayin'?

You're a moron in this case. Think before you type. If you don't provide a group of people with any solid evidence to back up claims that argue against what they currently do, you can't honestly expect that group of people to blindly jump ship. The stereotype for US citizens is funny most of the time(since other countries 8/10 regard us as an alien species your culture tries to emulate and insult at the same time), but what does it have to do with no multi's? You afraid that American powerlifters will keep taking multis, so all of your powerlifters will start to do the same?

Do you buy all the same brands of bread, milk, pasta and other food that I pick up from my local stores? You know the stereotype, but you don't actually know what I'm eating or what's in it.....and I'm American. So you don't know if I get enough vitamins from my normal diet or not.

BrianLD, you have a way with words...

Even a small amount.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17327526
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19276452
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17551129

one multi vitamin per day is hardly enough to cause you to get anywhere near toxic levels of fat soluble vitamins. Please do some actual research rather than copy/paste

Do some actual research? I'm an Oxford medic and most of what I wrote was credited to Roy Porter former Professor Emeritus of the Social History of Medicine at the Wellcome Trust Center for the History of Medicine at the University College of London. If you'd like an American Professor, feel free to look up Atul Gawande's stance on multivitamins. I suppose you know better though...

In this study susjects were given 50mg of zinc a day for 8 weeks and the results were:
"Total cholesterol (TC), triglyceride (TG), Low density lipoprotein cholesterol (LDL-C) and apolipoprotein B100 (ApoB100) increased significantly, high density lipoprotein cholesterol (HLD-C) and apolipoprotein A1 (ApoA1) decreased after supplementation."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15727190

While in this one where the subjects were taking 100mg per day increased their risk of prostate cancer.
"our findings, that chronic zinc oversupply may play a role in prostate carcinogenesis"
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12837837

Ignorant Americans...we will never learn?

I'm American, it wasn't a shot at Americans....but no most never will lol.

Supplementing specific vitamins/minerals for deficiencies or sports oriented goals is not a problem(unless consuming too much), multivitamins are.

I didn't expect such an overwhelming amount of negative responses. It's actually a bit disconcerting. There's a clear reason most Americans don't know our nation is ranked 42nd in Health Care.

[str8flexed]

if you overdose most vitamins you can have negative consequences. I do not recommend adding extra vitamin E, zinc, and certain others. But 50mg is significantly more zinc than is contained by most multis. There are certain vitamins that over the RDA has been shown to be quite beneficial. Vitamin D immediately comes to mind. You can't just paint a with a broad brush, you have to be more specific. It's not an issue of good/bad. It depends on context and situation. But simply telling everyone that they should not consume a multi-vitamin is doing exactly that, painting with a very very broad brush. Not a good idea when you are talking in regards to research or good science