im looking to start a pro hormone or a test booster. I'm not sure what the best on the market is for the money. Has anyone tried any or heard of any? Any suggestions?
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08-26-2011, 04:28 AM #1
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08-26-2011, 04:31 AM #2
Well which is it? Test boosters for the most part are a waste of money. As far as PH's go only use them if you do not have a source for AAS, the side effects are worse than AAS and the gains aren't as good. But since your asking, you should start off with H-drol since it's a weaker PH which is better for you because I'm assuming your natural.
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08-26-2011, 04:35 AM #3
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08-26-2011, 04:47 AM #4
AAS stands for anabolic-androgen steroids, bodybuilding.com doesn't like the word steroids being thrown around a lot, so AAS is a safe term to use.
And I've heard claims that almost sound ridiculous for d-aspartic acid (from sales reps of course), for example a 33% increase in test. It's also pretty expensive especially for having only a few studies done on it in any species.
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08-26-2011, 04:58 AM #5
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08-26-2011, 05:24 AM #6
Test boosters are far from a waste of money, if you look at this scientific study at longjack for example on humans you can observe significant ergogenic effects.
THE ERGOGENIC EFFECTS OF EURYCOMA
LONGIFOLIA JACK: A PILOT STUDY
S. Hamzah, A. Yusof. Department of Exercise Physiology, Sports Centre,
University of Malaya, 50603 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
Eurycoma longifolia Jack (ELJ), which contains quassinoids such as
eurycomalacton, eurycomanon, and eurycomanol, has been reported
to have aphrodisiac properties and to increase testosterone levels in
men.1
Previous studies have established that the testosterone
supplementation increases fat free mass, muscle strength, and muscle
mass, which are important for physical function and athletic perform-
ance.2,3
Thus, the objective of this study was to investigate the effect of
the increase in testosterone levels, obtained by administration of ELJ,
on body composition and muscle strength and size in man. Fourteen
healthy men performed an intense strength training programme with
initial load of 60% RM (2 sets of 10 repetitions with 1 minute rest
between, for 10 stations) on alternate days for five weeks. Simultane-
ously, seven men were randomly selected to consume 100 mg/day
ELJ water soluble extract, and seven men received placebo. The inten-
sity of the exercise was increased by 10% RM/week. Body composi-
tion, arm circumference, one repetition maximum (1 RM), and surface
electromyography (sEMG) activity were measured and recorded one
day before and after the five weeks of supplementation and interven-
tion. The lean body mass of the treatment group showed a significant
increment, from 52.26 (7.18) kg to 54.39 (7.43) kg (p = 0.012), but
no significant changes in fat free mass were observed in the placebo
group. Percentage body fat was significantly decreased in the
treatment and placebo group, from 31.30 (5.48)% to 28.44 (6.43)%
(p = 0.01) and from 22.83 (2.43)% to 21.33 (2.35)% (p = 0.001)
respectively. The 1RM test showed a significant increase from 73.71
(16.63) to 78.71 (17.0) kg (p = 0.006) in the treatment group and
from 77.29 (8.9) to 79.43 (8.8) kg (p = 0.011) in the placebo group.
The increase in strength in the treatment group was larger than in the
placebo group (6.78% and 2.77% respectively). The mean frequency
of sEMG on the biceps in the treatment and placebo groups
decreased significantly, from 121.77 (40.0) to 90.47 (64.6) ?V (p =
0.012) and from 127.95 (30.9) to 98.8 (50.1) ?V (p = 0.036)
respectively. The treatment produced 2.92% greater reduction in elec-
trical activity of the muscle measured at the end of the experiment
compared with placebo. The mean arm circumference of the treatment
group increased significantly by 1.8 cm after the supplementation,
from 30.87 (1.88) to 32.67 (1.96) cm (p = 0.011), but there was no
significant increase in the placebo group. The results suggest that
water soluble extract of Eurycoma longifolia Jack increased fat free
mass, reduced body fat, and increased muscle strength and size.Supreme Leader of Thermolife
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08-26-2011, 05:26 AM #7
Pro-hormones are steroids...by the sound of things stay away, especially if you prefer to stay natural.
DAA is good, personally I would prefer Testforce 2 by Epharm. Also, Tbol is good of course, but Im a little biased. Bioforge v3 or MAX is good as well as Myotest by SAN.Supreme Leader of Thermolife
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08-26-2011, 05:34 AM #8
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For the money --- You won't be able to beat Neogenix Supremacy because it will be on wheycheap.com on Aug 30th around 50% off!
Perfect time to try a natty test booster!
store info: http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/neo/sup.html
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08-26-2011, 07:15 AM #9
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08-26-2011, 08:16 AM #13
HDrol is neither a PH nor weak. HDrol is a directly active steroid, not a PH. It's also much stronger the DBol, especially when you consider that HDrol delivers very dry lean gains and half of your gain on DBol are from water weight do to DBol's high rate of aromatization into estrogen.
PH are not steroids but they convert into steroids. There are some steroids marketed as PHs though. For instance XTren which truely is a PH (and is completely unrelated in any way to trenbolone, the real tren) is not active when ingested but is converted by the body into an active steroid. Conversely, as stated above, HDrol is directly active and does not need to be converted by the body to have an anabolic effect. Approx 5% of HDrol is converted by the body into Turinabol but that would mean for every 100mg of HDrol only 5mg is converted into Turinabol which isn't enough to have any anabolic effect on the body. But this does not make HDrol a PH simply because it converts. Testosterone is converted by the body into DHT, which is also a steroid, but again this does not make it a PH.sophfball - "Look, I don't know the science behind it, but its a proven fact."
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08-26-2011, 02:05 PM #14
Ok, where here is where my confusion is, according to the NGA competitions I have competed in, many of them take legal test boosters and PH however state that some can cause failure of their drug testing policy. I am wanting to takethestringest stuff possible and still be able to compete in the NGA. I'm not opposed to not being completely natty when numerous natty guys take these ph and boosters as well. I'm just trying to figure out what my best bet is for getting good solid gains with little side effects and still being able to pass a drug test next summer when I compete again. This info is awesome, but I wanted to clarify a little more my needs and concerns.
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08-26-2011, 04:06 PM #18
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It's funny to me that something that is such a huge part of bodybuilding would be banned from a site called "bodybuilding.com". Not to mention you can go to most supp shops and order this stuff, I can understand the site getting into legal issues if the product is "illegal" but I just can't understand legal products being hidden. We are all here to get bigger,stronger,faster whatever... if you want to take a dice roll and go with a ph or test booster that should be your choice to make.... I don't know just a rant of mine
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08-26-2011, 04:18 PM #19
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You can get test boosters such as anabolic innovations test pro.. which is sold here and is ok to talk about there are also a few legal test products out there that are perfectly legal and can be used in personal manner of dude in gym or dude trying to compete.... THE PROBLEM IN COMEPETING IS WHEN you get tested and your test levels are to high for the standard if thats the case then YES you will be kickedl.. you take legal test products but still be kicked from competitions if your Test levels are out of whack!!!!
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08-26-2011, 04:30 PM #20
I was recently considering going down the PH road myself being that some of them ARE legal and easy to attain. Problem is, as I do more reseach on those ones that at least seem to be effective (H-Drol, super-Drol etc), you need a SERM for your PCT or you're going to screw yourself up (and possibly lose all your gains anyways). AND you need an RX to attain said SERM (at least in the US). Good luck getting your physician to perscribe you (a male) a fertility drug, LOL.
With that said- PH's aren't exactly ALL legal considering the SERM part isn't. Looks like my skinny azz will just stick to milk and squats.
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