Natural Bodybuilding Pre Steroids And After (PICS)

[Goby]

A decade of hard training, plenty of fresh air and a good multivitamin.

Nothing any other hard working Natural couldn't achieve if they just trained harder!

I believe because you said you've been working out for a decade. That is a long time.

So it makes sense.

[Neto472_old]

steroids played a small role bro, better nutrition, better knowlege of how muscles react, etc

but than again, youre just a dumb kunt who thinks juice will turn u into a beast

LOL if you think your diet or the way you lift has even close of an effect as hormones. holy shyt

[Roke]

Lol at last picture. And you do realise that we have WAY more knowledge of diet and training now compared toback then.

One could equally argue there was no estrogen, fluoride, msg, etc. in water and food back then so they have an advantage.

[philbitty]

steroids played a small role bro, better nutrition, better knowlege of how muscles react, etc

but than again, youre just a dumb kunt who thinks juice will turn u into a beast

this statement is becoming retarded
juice is the variable, how does it not turn you into a beast? fuking moron

[Neto472_old]

this statement is becoming retarded
juice is the variable, how does it not turn you into a beast? fuking moron

natural bodybuilding (this is layne, btw)



juiced bodybuilding





Clearly juice is a non-factor.

[philbitty]

natural bodybuilding (this is layne, btw)

[img]http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2007/layne7.jpmg]

juiced bodybuilding

[img]http://creditplushealth.org/health%20picture/ronnie%20coleman%2img]



Clearly juice is a non-factor.

...what? retard you don't even know what i'm commenting on
and lol if you think some/most top 'natural' bb'rs don't juice

[Cubanana]

fact is you delusional gullible tards taking the natty root will end up looking like pre steroid bbers, not a chance any of you will end up looking like doug miller or other "natural" bodybuilders without cell tech.

[woofman81]

fact is you delusional gullible tards taking the natty root will end up looking like pre steroid bbers, not a chance any of you will end up looking like doug miller or other "natural" bodybuilders without cell tech.

Fact? All I smell is a bunch of Bull****!

[Cubanana]

Fact? All I smell is a bunch of Bull****!

that comment was bull**** but you believe doug miller is natural.....okay buddy.

[Ken-O]

natural bodybuilding (this is layne, btw)



juiced bodybuilding





Clearly juice is a non-factor.

People respond different to steroids. You are crazy if you think anybody who tries to be mr olympia will get to that kind of size. Some people dont respond well at all to steroids, like those "natural" bodybuilders who are pretty damn impressive, but are like 20-30 pounds away of Mr Olympia levels.

Those natural bodybuilders are just people that either didnt responded well to steroids, or simply werent willing to take that horrible ammount of steroids that pros like Cutler and Ronnie take.

[SomeRandomName]

It is possible that top natty pros like doug miller are natty if they have absolutely freakish genetics and have test levels significantly higher than the high end of the normal range naturally... which is pretty damn unlikely. They're either on cell tech or are medical/scientific/genetic anomalies (and I don't mean "oh I have good genetics and gain a little bit faster"). Anyone who says "you're just not lifting/dieting/trying hard enough" is a god damn retard.

[D-1Gladiator74]

he didn't say he was using in that thread

how did you find all this info also? You browse a lot of steroid forums for someone who doesn't use.

people can make fake accounts also though its quite common

he has his own training log on that forum. Just because you browse steroid forums does not mean you use them. I saved the pic when there was a thread made on this in the misc a couple months ago. In the thread doug made some long post about how he still is natty in his eyes even though he used pro hormones when they were considered natty in natty bodybuilding.

I have been posting my journal on a number of message boards so I thought I might as well keep it updated here. If you don't know me, my name is Doug Miller and I am a Drug Free IFPA pro bodybuilder, USP Labs sponsored athlete, and owner of Core Nutritionals. Feel free to ask me any questions about training or Core product in here.

If you want to follow my journal before today....feel free to check it out on my forum section of my website (Doug Miller - IFPA Professional Natural Bodybuilder) or in the USP Labs section of Anabolic Minds (I post under dam225 on there).

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/core-...-training.html

[ABCT]

Yup agree 100%. You can get huge as **** natty, that's for sure just look at Reg Park. You can also get 3-4% bodyfat natty. But doing both is physiologically impossible unless you have some kind of condition like a myostatin deficiency. It's not a case of not having enough self-belief, not lifting heavy enough, or whatever other broscience crap people regurgitate from Arnold, it's just not how the human body works.

LOL Reg Park natural?

there are so many old one who used steroids but they were always conciderd natural due to lack of media at that time like one great? reg park
he was on steroids
accrding to roger walker - "Steroids have been around since about the 1950's, the bodybuilders that stood out in the 1950's that new the secret really stood out like dog's balls. They were head and shoulders above the rest. I remember a guy called Reg Park, he one the British Nationals, his father sent him over to America afterwards for 6 months and he put on 50 pounds."- he was one of the pioneer of drug abuse in bodybuilding go and see interview of rogewrwalker
http://www.teenbodybuilding.com/james48.htm

BRB being within 10 lbs of Dave Draper and Arnold naturally:



Even the guys who get around on this site with the word 'natural' in their name and who compete in natural comps admit to using steroids but it's ok because as always they "DID NOT use them to build my physique, only to hold onto muscle and keep my strength up when I was dieting"
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...1#post43185091




Steve Reeves, widely seen by you ***s are the epitome of drug free bodybuilding was responsible for getting Larry Scott and Kurt Marnul (Arnold's early mentor and steroid dealer) onto d-bol in the 50's so it's likely even he used anabolic substances.



Face it, if you want a physique on the level of Zyzz, AnabolicGraham4, Supaturk, Reg Park, Steve Reeves etc before you're old as **** there is only one way.
http://www.thearnoldfans.com/bodybuilding/history.htm

[ABCT]

BRB 30 lbs in 1 years naturally.

[GreenTech30]

natural bodybuilders before steroids -

this. lol'd. why can't this f**got admit the truth?

[MasterBench]

LOL Reg Park natural?


BRB being within 10 lbs of Dave Draper and Arnold naturally:



Even the guys who get around on this site with the word 'natural' in their name and who compete in natural comps admit to using steroids but it's ok because as always they "DID NOT use them to build my physique, only to hold onto muscle and keep my strength up when I was dieting"
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...1#post43185091




Steve Reeves, widely seen by you ***s are the epitome of drug free bodybuilding was responsible for getting Larry Scott and Kurt Marnul (Arnold's early mentor and steroid dealer) onto d-bol in the 50's so it's likely even he used anabolic substances.



Face it, if you want a physique on the level of Zyzz, AnabolicGraham4, Supaturk, Reg Park, Steve Reeves etc before you're old as **** there is only one way.
http://www.thearnoldfans.com/bodybuilding/history.htm

this people are so delusional its amazing. To get to single digit body fat, still have 190-200+ pounds of muscle mass is not possible in almost every human being. Sure there may be a few genetic freaks but no way near the amount that claim to be natty bodybuilders. Look at guys like doug miller/jim cordova/etc who are close to the size of some of the pros in the 60s and 70s who were using. Idc what type of diet you are using there is no magic knowledge of nutrition that will allow you to stay that big when getting down to single digit bodyfat unless you are eating white bread and candy beforehand. The sad thing is it will take miscers years of lifting to realize they will not achieve that physique they want naturally and then they will either give up or turn to sterons. Even if we get blood tests, polygraphs, etc there are still things that stay under the radar such as Anavar. Idk why misc chooses to be so naive, its not like its helping you be a better lifter by thinking you are going to look like steve reeves, layne, zyzz naturally

[johnnycash123]

The stages that every guy that starts going to the gym has to go trough when he finally decides to take it serious:

1.- Start going to the gym every day, without really knowing what you are doing
2.- Start reading a lot and find out all about nutrition, different routines, types of body, cutting and bulking, etc
3.- Follow a decent diet while trying out good routines
4.- Gain decent muscle the first few months of lifting
5.- Have people comment on your body and telling you the hard work its showing off
6.- Getting more into it, taking it even more serious
7.- Still seeing good gains for a few months
8.- Start thinking, if you keep working this hard, you will look like *insert the name of any closet juicer like Rakich, Plitt, etc* in one or two years
9.- Gains decrease a lot and really fast, you are not seeing that much of results as you did your first year
10.- You refuse to accept this, so you take it to the next level and do everything perfect.
11.- Fast forward a year and you look just slighly better than how you looked 1 year ago.
12.- Get depressed
13.- Rant on the misc about what its possible and what isnt naturally, while arguing with closet juicers and naive, ignorant miscers that are still going trough phase 4

Lol Godd post man, will rep on other a/c when unbanned and neg that delusional homo Jremix
Jremix currently is in stage 4 but thinks he knows everything.

[mmaoz]

Lol Godd post man, will rep on other a/c when unbanned and neg that delusional homo Jremix
Jremix currently is in stage 4 but thinks he knows everything.

bro hes been lifting for nearly 4 months, how dare you speak about the king of knowledge like that

[Cubanana]

this people are so delusional its amazing. To get to single digit body fat, still have 190-200+ pounds of muscle mass is not possible in almost every human being. Sure there may be a few genetic freaks but no way near the amount that claim to be natty bodybuilders. Look at guys like doug miller/jim cordova/etc who are close to the size of some of the pros in the 60s and 70s who were using. Idc what type of diet you are using there is no magic knowledge of nutrition that will allow you to stay that big when getting down to single digit bodyfat unless you are eating white bread and candy beforehand. The sad thing is it will take miscers years of lifting to realize they will not achieve that physique they want naturally and then they will either give up or turn to sterons. Even if we get blood tests, polygraphs, etc there are still things that stay under the radar such as Anavar. Idk why misc chooses to be so naive, its not like its helping you be a better lifter by thinking you are going to look like steve reeves, layne, zyzz naturally

excellent post. todays natural pros are as big or bigger than known juicers from past bodybuilding eras so many gullible idiots in this thread especially Jremix.

[tubemode12]

BRB 30 lbs in 1 years naturally.

What a waste. He was looking pretty normal (believable) in the first picture.

I don't know why some people take it overboard.

[Come at me bro]

mirin a little, would rather look like john cena

[ImEvan]

natural as skippy peanut butter

Are you natty B3AU?

[NZninja101]

Eugene didn't adequately work his chest and could have probably been a little bigger and leaner if he had the knowledge available today.



and lol at nattygraham pic

[USAJohn]

There is nothing "NATURAL" about bodybuilding in this modern era. Anybody who competes takes "SOMETHING" you have to be real gullible or just plain stupid to think otherwise.

[guilewolf]

look anyone with a good eye and a little medical training can tell natural from steroids period point blank.
If you make your money from body building or lifting I understand it. You made a trade off vrs health not different than a guys who works in a office makes a trade being out of shape to work long hours to make his money I get it.
Just please please please stop trying to so sell crazy like no one can tell.