"Gay marriage does not affect straight people, if you're against it don't marry gay""

[John L]

the greeks were raging homosexuals and laid the foundations for modern science...

Nope, homosexuality between two adult men was actually looked down upon in ancient greece. While there were a fair amount of teacher-student relationships between men and teenage boys, they were not homosexuals. The man was taught the teenager how to become a man himself, including how to love a woman. I'm not saying this is right or justifying it, but they were straight men who committed homosexual acts. Their sexual orientation was not homosexual.

[jyjj]

You can't even spell so it's no wonder your post makes no sense. Marriage has existed long before modern governments, long before christianity. If you don't want government sticking their noses in peoples business you would support the right for people to marry whoever they choose, since not only is sexuality genetic, but gay couples are demonstrably just as good at parenting as straight couples.

But it's American hour at the moment so the misc is dominated by a load of thick christian rednecks, herp derping about gays.

Rofl. Typical. No argument so brb resort to ad honminem.

People can "marry" and be with anyone they want. They can call it anything they want.
People want government to stick their noses into people's marriages. You are not fighting for your right to be able to marry, you are wanting the government to recognize it legally so you can stick your nose in more of peoples business. You can already be married to anyone you want. You can already call it whatever you want. Civil Union, boyfriend girlfriend. No one really gives a flying ****.
brb going off topic with "parenting skill".
Nowhere did I claim governments created "marriage".

brb hypocracy v2

[yelojackt]

lol, gay people have always existed in the same ratio more or less id imagine for all of human history. It would be ignorant to say that they havnt contributed to history, but as a group of people (LGBT) they havnt. They should absolutely have the same rights as everyone else (to be married to whoever they want).

[SmarterChild]

what exactly is gay history?

what does sexual orientation have to do with anything

[jyjj]

lol, gay people have always existed in the same ratio more or less id imagine for all of human history. It would be ignorant to say that they havnt contributed to history, but as a group of people (LGBT) they havnt. They should absolutely have the same rights as everyone else (to be married to whoever they want).

They already have the same rights as everyone else. We live in a republic.
They can already get married, they just want the governement to meddle in it as well.

You can get married to your dog. The government just dosn't recognize it.

[JB05]

The gay rights movement isn't about fundamental rights, it goes deeper than that

These people want acceptance.. and they'll continue to condemn and attack anybody who doesn't want to be associated with/know about/accept their lifestyle.

Even if they were granted full gay marriage and adoption rights in every state tomorrow, it wouldn't be enough. They'd lobby for affirmative action and anti-bullying programs and other legal benefits.. that they'd force the average taxpayer to fund. They'd sue churches and schools who don't follow their way of thinking.

If they were truly and simply about legal rights, I'd support them. However, they're after acceptance and they'll continue misusing government to force others to accept them. They're disrespectful of the rights of others to object.

[jyjj]

The gay rights movement isn't about fundamental rights, it goes deeper than that

These people want acceptance.. and they'll continue to condemn and attack anybody who doesn't want to be associated with/know about/accept their lifestyle.

Even if they were granted full gay marriage and adoption rights in every state tomorrow, it wouldn't be enough. They'd lobby for affirmative action and anti-bullying programs and other legal benefits.. that they'd force the average taxpayer to fund. They'd sue churches and schools who don't follow their way of thinking.

If they were truly and simply about legal rights, I'd support them. However, they're after acceptance and they'll continue misusing government to force others to accept them. They're disrespectful of the rights of others to object.

winrar.

[Ryceryder85]

minority rights should not be voted by the majority. its like this: 9 white people and 1 black person voting for black rights back in the early to mid 1900s. its just not right

[yelojackt]

The gay rights movement isn't about fundamental rights, it goes deeper than that

These people want acceptance.. and they'll continue to condemn and attack anybody who doesn't want to be associated with/know about/accept their lifestyle.

Even if they were granted full gay marriage and adoption rights in every state tomorrow, it wouldn't be enough. They'd lobby for affirmative action and anti-bullying programs and other legal benefits.. that they'd force the average taxpayer to fund. They'd sue churches and schools who don't follow their way of thinking.

If they were truly and simply about legal rights, I'd support them. However, they're after acceptance and they'll continue misusing government to force others to accept them. They're disrespectful of the rights of others to object.

Slippery Slope Fallacy = Immediately illogical argument. Stopped Reading almost immediately.

They already have the same rights as everyone else. We live in a republic.
They can already get married, they just want the governement to meddle in it as well.

Strong ignorance ITT, they do not receive the same marriage status as someone who is in a more conventional "marriage"

[gonaBmanletZyzz]

principles->interpretation->application (yay gay people mentioned in elementary text books)
^---------->--------^
beliefs---- > ideology

[jyjj]

Slippery Slope Fallacy = Immediately illogical argument. Stopped Reading almost immediately.




Strong ignorance ITT, they do not receive the same marriage status as someone who is in a more conventional "marriage"

And what makes having the government recognize any form of marriage being the "right thing"? loled @ "receive the same marriage status". So the government says I'm married means I'm more "married" than one that dosn't have recognition from the state? What is the state's business is sticking their nose into my private affairs that deal with voluntary contracts with other people?

Why are single people being punished for not being married? Why don't they get the same "rights", aka tax breaks and benefits? why don't they get the "same status" as married people?

The only person demonstrating their ignorance is you. Your strong lack of understanding of how marriage in socieities have been created and evolved is shown here.

[Hadzic]

brb your a homophobic backwards ****

Location: California, United States

People need to become more openminded. Plus I love seeing religious people get trolled by gays.

loled because it's the opposite. My friend wears god hates ****s shirts and goes downtown in San Fran and records the reactions of people with a hidden cam and sends me the vids. lols insue.

[sinfiery]

brb expect no change in society when people in said society do things

are you phucking retarded bro?

[jyjj]

Slippery Slope Fallacy = Immediately illogical argument. Stopped Reading almost immediately.

loled. It's not a slippery slope fallacy when it has been demonstrated time and time before behind every other special interest groups. Special interest groups try to further the interests of their members.

[yelojackt]

And what makes having the government recognize any form of marriage being the "right thing"?
Why are single people being punished for not being married? Why don't they get the same "rights", aka tax breaks and benefits?

Governments should recognize it because it is saying that their relationship is not as valid, and therefore does not treat the two equally with respect of their 'civil union', 'marriage' (whatever you want to call it).

Also, single people are not part of the debate as far as tax statuses go. We are discussing for the lesbian/gay's rights with respect to their hetero counterparts

[yelojackt]

loled. It's not a slippery slope fallacy when it has been demonstrated time and time before behind every other special interest groups. Special interest groups try to further the interests of their members.

actually it is. feel free to prove me otherwise.

[MasterCobra]

You can't even spell so it's no wonder your post makes no sense. Marriage has existed long before modern governments, long before christianity. If you don't want government sticking their noses in peoples business you would support the right for people to marry whoever they choose, since not only is sexuality genetic, but gay couples are demonstrably just as good at parenting as straight couples.

But it's American hour at the moment so the misc is dominated by a load of thick christian rednecks, herp derping about gays.

this is correct 100%

about american hour
and about you being gay

[tk217]

It won't affect straight people.

[bailey1106]

"hey son how was school"

"we learned about BDSM today and started to explore the role of domnatrix in gay society, oh and we are taking a field trip to a gay pride parade next week"

Why? Because lawyers have ruiined this country.

[iNerted]

loled. It's not a slippery slope fallacy when it has been demonstrated time and time before behind every other special interest groups. Special interest groups try to further the interests of their members.

Now that's a strawman fallacy.

[tk217]

"hey son how was school"

"we learned about BDSM today and started to explore the role of domnatrix in gay society, oh and we are taking a field trip to a gay pride parade next week"

Why? Because lawyers have ruiined this country.

Really. That's weird.

I asked my son what he learned today and he told me, "I learned about BDSM and started to explore the role of dominatrix in straight society, oh and we are taking a field trip to a KKK parade next week."

Huh.

[wayprotein]

Lol, I always find this one to be hilariously ridiculous. Homos have not contributed anything of importance to history.

what about the reach around

and gay history being taught in schools is bad how??

i dont think children should be learning anything sexual in school. part of being a kid is not worrying about all that crap.

there are a lot of famous people in history (scientists,inventors, etc) who were homosexual.

and... what does them being gay have to do with any of that should we also have a mustache history class because guys with mustaches invented a bunch of things. dont you see the irony of gays wanting to be equally claiming they are the same as everyone else then on the same hand claiming they are different and should have different history taught.

What does sexual orientation have to do with scientific discovery?

^this, it has nothing

[bailey1106]

Really. That's weird.

I asked my son what he learned today and he told me, "I learned about BDSM and started to explore the role of dominatrix in straight society, oh and we are taking a field trip to a KKK parade next week."

Huh.

I dont see what you did there.

But really idgaf what gays do, but teaching gay history in school just to teach it is retarded.

[tk217]

i dont think children should be learning anything sexual in school. part of being a kid is not worrying about all that crap.

Why shouldn't kids be learning about cell division and reproduction? STDs? If anything this should be shoved in their face readily and apparently to promote knowledge so they don't make stupid decisions like teen preggers and what it means to be financially responsible.

The reality is kids have sex. Maybe you didn't but most of us do. Kids being anyone under the age of 17.

Knowledge isn't a bad thing.

[tk217]

I dont see what you did there.

But really idgaf what gays do, but teaching gay history in school just to teach it is retarded.

Brb blowing out some totally obscure perspective as something to learn in a history class.

Reality check: You will learn about American history in History classes and usually it is 1776-1950. Key topics being Formation of the US, Civil War, and Great Depression.

Current events classes tend to discuss current events and you usually are limited to 1 of those for a single semester (meaning about 4 months) in which it attempts to cover global perspectives and US current events (which is relatively impossible).

[AnIrIsHbOy]

Gay people having equal rights doesn't affect me. It makes me happy to see society is moving forward.

You know what does affect me?

Less intelligent bigoted idiots like OP who have equal voting rights as me. OP, do us all a favour and don't reproduce mmmkay?

[bailey1106]

Brb blowing out some totally obscure perspective as something to learn in a history class.

Reality check: You will learn about American history in History classes and usually it is 1776-1950. Key topics being Formation of the US, Civil War, and Great Depression.

Current events classes tend to discuss current events and you usually are limited to 1 of those for a single semester (meaning about 4 months) in which it attempts to cover global perspectives and US current events (which is relatively impossible).

Lol civil war shaped how this country formed afterwards. What did gay people do that shaped this country?

Honestly tell what gays AS A WHOLE(cuz thats what were talking about not a single individual) did for better or worse for this country.

[Amerision]

Why shouldn't kids be learning about cell division and reproduction? STDs? If anything this should be shoved in their face readily and apparently to promote knowledge so they don't make stupid decisions like teen preggers and what it means to be financially responsible.

The reality is kids have sex. Maybe you didn't but most of us do. Kids being anyone under the age of 17.

Knowledge isn't a bad thing.

But wouldn't that be more of a health issue? I might be wrong here but didn't just about everybody have to take sex ed classes when they hit 9th grade? Hell we even had to learn about that s'hit when we were in the eighth grade.

[tk217]

Lol civil war shaped how this country formed afterwards. What did gay people do that shaped this country?

Honestly tell what gays AS A WHOLE(cuz thats what were talking about not a single individual) did for better or worse for this country.

What does being homosexual or straight have to do with betterment of society? Brb demanding information of someone's private sexual and basis of attraction as a claim to society's betterment or ills.

You realize how weird you sound?

[tk217]

But wouldn't that be more of a health issue? I might be wrong here but didn't just about everybody have to take sex ed classes when they hit 9th grade? Hell we even had to learn about that s'hit when we were in the eighth grade.

I had a health class in 10th grade, a health class in 8th grade, and a sex education/puberty course in 6th grade (was like a 2-day thing).

Again, what is wrong with knowledge? It will only benefit you. The idea of denying information is not just authoritarian it is inane, short sighted.