Today I squatted 20 pounds more than last week, and 50 pounds more than 4 weeks ago thanks to wearing a belt. I had a strong cup of coffee before training, and used a hard valsalva (holding your breath and squeezing). After the set I had a bit of chest pain, right where my heart is. I've had intercostal pain before and this doesn't feel like it. Its right exactly where my heart is. Anyway, I'm just worried that the coffee, rapid increase in weight, the belt creating even more pressure, and the hard valsalva caused by blood pressure to spike high enough to cause damage to my heart. Could this be the case? Have you heard of people damaging their hearts with the valsalva? I'm also curious as to whether the really strong lifters use the valsalva or do they exhale slightly on the concentric. Thanks!
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08-13-2011, 12:39 PM #1
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Is the valsalva dangerous?
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08-13-2011, 12:42 PM #2
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What you described does sound dangerous. I've seen people pass out from the valsalva maneuver and have passed out myself from it, but haven't ever had any pain near my heart because of it. Maybe it's just because of the caffeine, but just to be safe you should probably hit up your doctor to see if you have any heart problems or anything.
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08-13-2011, 03:16 PM #7
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Whenever I bench or squat my coach tells me to hold my breath. Squating any weight 8 times without breathing is hard. He told me that the pressure build up will help me when I'm squating in a suit.
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08-14-2011, 12:43 AM #8
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08-14-2011, 11:29 AM #12
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Haha no this isn't the same coach. This guy is a tank.
And tbh, what he has me do does help.
And squatting 135 8 times takes about 20 seconds. If you can't hold your breath for 20 seconds thats embarrassing.Bench 402 (ace)/ 385 (440 in slingshot)
Squat 600 (predators + frantz canvas) / 441lbs
Dead lift 551 (super centurion+ predators) /578lbs
Power Clean 100kg x 8
Vertical 29in
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08-14-2011, 01:48 PM #13
The Skinny on Valsalva
There has been some research on this topic with regards to performance athletics. I have read a couple of studies indicating that holding your breath while performing at maximal loads actually provides a small performance increase (~3-30% but I would have to look it up again to be sure). However, holding your breath while under resistance does cause a significant but temporary elevation in blood pressure which could lead to a cerebrovascular accident, retinopathy, and a number of other potential complications.
Benefit vs Risk
Hold your breath to take advantage of a potential increase in performance OR breathe out to reduce your risk of a cerebrovascular accident et al. Health-care professionals will always lean towards the latter because their primary concern is always the health and safety of the individual. Coaches and trainers will often lean towards the former because their primary concern tends to be the athlete's performance.
Consult your primary health-care provider for more information.
Regarding the "Big" Guys and Holding Their Breath
Some of the guys I train with suggest the old "leaky tire" thing. They breathe in and hold it for most of the eccentric component but then release it slowly like a leaky tire on the concentric. I guess they feel it's a happy medium between breathing fully and holding their breath. I have never heard of Valsalva causing heart-pain, however, I could be wrong. I would suggest getting checked out by your doctor. If that comes back negative, the pain may be from your diaphragm or your abs as hammerfelt suggested. See if some soft-tissue work done on your diaphragm and abs helps.Last edited by jbealsrmt; 08-16-2011 at 05:28 AM.
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