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    Best "all-in-one" pre-workout?

    I just spent a couple hours browsing all the latest and greatest pre-workouts getting ready to order but now I am so torn on what to get. *So you guys decide.

    Only PWO I have used in the past is WF, which worked fine but I wanna give something else a try, and want something that has creatine as well. *That's what I mean by "all-in-one". *Other ingredients to help me beat crap genetics are wanted as well, but I dunno if any PWOs include things like BCAAs or not.

    So what is your recommendation with this in mind? *Thanks.

    Edit: When I look at something like Jack3D I see creatine listed as an ingredient but no dosing, so do we assume they put one spec of creatine in the whole tub or a decent enough serving? *Or am I just missing it?
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    Might want to look into Clout.*

    Beta Alanine, Orotine, ALCAR are just some of the ingredients included, and we list all dosages so you know what you're getting. If you need the stims, throw in a caffeine tab and you're good to go.
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    Our CryoShock has creatine, beta-alanine, +added leucine (most anabolic BCAA), and an antioxidant complex Consistently ranks high in taste too

    Another great under-rated complete one is Betancourt BullNox Androrush. It has an endocrine complex added....
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    There's no crash with Body Rush at all, it has all natural caffine, some beta alanine in it and a NO blend. I just ordered some Optimum Creapure cheap to add in it.

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    Check out K-otic from AAEFX. See my signature for samples.
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    Originally Posted by Slackadjuster View Post
    Check out K-otic from AAEFX. See my signature for samples.
    I've been meaning to try it myself. You guys are all out. When do you estimate you will have more samples available?
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    Pre surge or flashover are good. Depends on if you want stims and what kind.
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    a preworkout with creatine... if im not mistaken no xplode has a decent amount. when i took it though i thought it was awful as far as energy. it seems like most people like it though..goodluck
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    Thumbs up CryoShock

    Originally Posted by Liquid_diet View Post
    Our CryoShock has creatine, beta-alanine, +added leucine (most anabolic BCAA), and an antioxidant complex Consistently ranks high in taste too

    Another great under-rated complete one is Betancourt BullNox Androrush. It has an endocrine complex added....
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    Originally Posted by SquidC View Post
    There's no crash with Body Rush at all, it has all natural caffine, some beta alanine in it and a NO blend. I just ordered some Optimum Creapure cheap to add in it.

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    Originally Posted by Slackadjuster View Post
    Check out K-otic from AAEFX. See my signature for samples.

    These are both joke recommendations....
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    Originally Posted by Illadelphia View Post
    These are both joke recommendations....
    Illa...I respect you recs when reading through the threads i.e XF up LCP . What would be your top 2/3 pre w/o?
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    Originally Posted by Illadelphia View Post
    These are both joke recommendations....
    What makes you say that? I know atleast 20 people I've recommended this stack to who absolutely love it.
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    Thanks a lot for all the replies guys, *I appreciate you taking the time, but I notice 90% of you are reps for supp companies. *I'll check the mentioned products out, but more people without bias please?
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    Originally Posted by mgftp View Post
    Thanks a lot for all the replies guys, *I appreciate you taking the time, but I notice 90% of you are reps for supp companies. *I'll check the mentioned products out, but more people without bias please?
    I don't even rep for any of the companies producing any of the products I suggested

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    Illa...I respect you recs when reading through the threads i.e XF up LCP . What would be your top 2/3 pre w/o?
    Ultima, Vengeance, Body Octane for powders. Presurge is my hands down favorite for pills.
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    What makes you say that? I know atleast 20 people I've recommended this stack to who absolutely love it.
    The people you recommend it to are probably bros, who couldn't logically decipher a solid formulation. It's underdosed, claims to promote NO but has nothing in the formula with which to do so with, and is $1.40 a serving for something that should cost about $.49 per serving. Is the lclt licensed from Lonza?
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    [QUOTE=Illadelphia;730442603] claims to promote NO but has nothing in the formula with which to do so with, and is $1.40 a serving for something that should cost about $.49 per serving.

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    And it's on sale for 49.99, I never said it was the perfect supplement, not trying to argue with you either, but what's so under dosed in it?
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    Originally Posted by SquidC View Post
    QUOTE=Illadelphia;730442603] claims to promote NO but has nothing in the formula with which to do so with, and is $1.40 a serving for something that should cost about $.49 per serving. Advanced 3X Nitric Oxide Booster 3000mg ** Arginine-Alphaketoglutarate (A-AKG), Arginine-Ketoisocaproate (A-KIC), L-Arginine Monohydrate And it's on sale for 49.99, I never said it was the perfect supplement, not trying to argue with you either, but what's so under dosed in it?
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    Originally Posted by Illadelphia View Post
    Ultima, Vengeance, Body Octane for powders. Presurge is my hands down favorite for pills.
    I was actually pleasantly surprised by presurge caps when I tried a sample forever ago. The other stuff you listed is great too, but not enough stims for me personally.
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    Originally Posted by josh001122 View Post
    SAN Fierce
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    Presurge Unleashed, Fierce, Vengeance, Launch 4350, Ultima, Superpump Max, Animal Rage ,Novem are some top tier products.
    Fierce is good stuff. 14gr active ingredients per serving, including 4.8gr creatine (including nitrate), and fat amounts of other performance and nootropic goodies. Only 1 scoop needed, it's tasty, and it's 50 servings for $26-35.



    Originally Posted by MrCooper69
    Energy
    I LOVE the energy on Fierce. It really is one of the top energy products I've ever tried. It doesn't overstim me at all, and I definitely get a mood uplift from the G. The energy doesn't creep in or hit you...in fact, I can barely even notice it's there. I just feel more motivated and slightly happier while on it. I actually prefer this because I don't feel like I'm entering a new world after I take my preworkout like I do with some products. My mindset and thought process are clear, and I do everything with a level head. I know it has 200mg caffeine, but it doesn't feel like it. Felt a lot like XF Vengeance actually. A+
    9.5/10
    Focus*
    Again, I'm spoiled, repping for SNS and being a longtime Ultima user. It's tough to impress me in the focus department. While SAN Fierce didn't change my mindset as I noted above, I feel like the energy and performance benefits indirectly played into the focus. The tyrosine + caffeine combo is tried and true, and I honestly had such a nice mood uplift on Fierce that I just wanted to lift and not socialize. The mildest aspect of Fierce, IMO, but still well done.
    8.5/10
    Pumps*
    Ok. WTF. I know Fierce has creatine nitrate. But these pumps...I'm telling you, they are BEYOND most nitrate products out there. Damn near beyond agmatine and hemavol. I'm doing 5/3/1. I don't train for pumps. I almost never get pumps, ever. But doing 1 set of pullups, or 1 set of curls, or even 1 set of shoulder press, had my muscles inflated like I'd been doing multiple sets of high rep work. NO POISON DON't COME IN HERE AND SAY IT WAS THE ARGININE . JK, obviously the formula of Fierce is well done because as far as stimulant-based products go, THIS IS THE SINGLE BEST PUMP SUPPLEMENT I'VE EVER USED.
    10/10
    Endurance*
    Fierce is very similar to XF Vengeance in this regard as well. I feel like it's Vengeance's more stimmed cousin actually. The endurance is FANTASTIC. On my all-out sets that Jim Wendler prescribes, I was pushing new PRs every time I used Fierce. And this is NOT placebo because these all-out sets have me going to failure every time. Particuarly with respect to squats and deadlifts, which were going in the 10-12 rep range on my all-out sets, I could eek out an extra 1-2 reps, and was actually surprised how easily they came, considering the week before I was struggling mightily. And this was during an intense cutting period, so I was only seeking to maintain strength, not improve. Interset endurance was also elevated...I wanted to workout longer cuz I felt so damn good. But the intraset endurance is where this really shined. Nitrates + malate + aspartic acid ftw.
    9.5/10
    Overall*
    9.5/10
    Here is something to consider. With Fierce, you only EVER need 1 scoop. And you also hit your daily creatine needs each time you use it. Considering this...
    Fierce is a WINNER. One of the best stimmed formulas on the market. If I were to rank stimmed preworkout products, it goes:
    1. XF Vengeance2. SAN Fierce3. Presurge Unleashed4. Omega Flashover5. Focus XT
    That's right, Fierce is THAT GOOD. I highly suggest you try it if you haven't already.
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