If sexual orientation is a choice...

[Beeewbs]

Then why do people have to go to therapy to be "cured?" Why is it something they "struggle" with? If you have homosexual desires that you are struggle with, you're gay or bi and there is no choice in your sexual desire. If it was a choice, they just would say "I'm not going to choose to find the same sex attractive" and they'd be done with it. The fact that they struggle shows that there is no choice involved in their desire.

[Mr Beer]

I forsee a drug addict analogy coming up from the homophobes.

[ONtop888]

Because it's a hard choice, amirite?

[tk217]

That is insane, Beewbs.

[Shaymin]

Because it's a hard choice, amirite?

Sometimes it's not very hard at all. :|

[ONtop888]

I forsee a drug addict analogy coming up from the homophobes.

That would certainly show a flaw in the OP's presentation, but nothing against the argument itself.

[NiceBoat]

Because it's a hard choice, amirite?

It seems like a "choice" that makes streetbull hard.

[Beeewbs]

I forsee a drug addict analogy coming up from the homophobes.

Wouldn't work. We're talking about an attraction, so one has an attraction to drugs that could be natural and certainly isn't a choice or they would just say "ok, I'm choosing to not be attracted to drugs." Being addicted means you don't have a choice in your attraction. Getting off of drugs doesn't mean that attraction won't be there. The first thing they teach is that it will ALWAYS be there, so you have to stay away all the time.

[solidus2k3]

what's the difference between being a homosexual vs homosexual acts?

[Beeewbs]

what's the difference between being a homosexual vs homosexual acts?

How is that relevant?

[ONtop888]

The desire vs. acting on the desire. The same analogy could be used in regards to a drug addict.

[Beeewbs]

The desire vs. acting on the desire. The same analogy could be used in regards to a drug addict.

This thread is about sexual attraction, not sexual action.

[ONtop888]

This thread is about sexual attraction, not sexual action.

Yes, and just like the drug addict the desire is inescapable. In fact, the drug addict analogy goes rather nicely with you OP now that I think about it (not say that drug addicts are analogous to homoseckkuaallz, lol).

[Mr Beer]

Clearly dick is like rocks, it's hard to stop smoking it.

[WMcEnaney]

No one chooses his sexual orientation, but some medicines decrease sex drive or maybe even take it away.

[TH3SHR3DD3R]

The desire vs. acting on the desire. The same analogy could be used in regards to a drug addict.

Hmm. The analogy only works insofar as the comparison that drug addicts who do not get their fix begin to go through depression just as people who repress their sexuality tend to go into depression or develop psychosis. The reasons why, of course, are very different. Sexuality, whether brought on by environment or genetics (and we all know the truth is more likely a combination of the two), is innate, whereas drug addictions develop ultimately from exposure to said drugs and can actually be treated therapeutically. Also, being honest about one's sexuality is healthy, whereas getting addicted to drugs is not. The desires exist for entirely different reasons.

[Beeewbs]

Yes, and just like the drug addict the desire is inescapable. In fact, the drug addict analogy goes rather nicely with you OP now that I think about it (not say that drug addicts are analogous to homoseckkuaallz, lol).

Ok, I thought you were trying to say that it's your actions that matter.

No one chooses his sexual orientation, but some medicines decrease sex drive or maybe even take it away.

So? Still says nothing about orientation being a choice, and those drugs aren't available to everyone and haven't always been around or known about.

[WMcEnaney]

So? Still says nothing about orientation being a choice, and those drugs aren't available to everyone and haven't always been around or known about.

I would have thought the the point was easy to see. If the medicines can wipe out someone's sex drive, maybe the sexual attraction will go away, too. Maybe although no none can choose to be homosexual, bisexual, or heterosexual, some can choose to be asexual and then become that way with help from the medicine. If homosexuality is genetic, which I doubt, someday genetic engineers may earn a fortune by changing sexual orientations of their customers.

[flairon]

Then why do people have to go to therapy to be "cured?" Why is it something they "struggle" with? If you have homosexual desires that you are struggle with, you're gay or bi and there is no choice in your sexual desire. If it was a choice, they just would say "I'm not going to choose to find the same sex attractive" and they'd be done with it. The fact that they struggle shows that there is no choice involved in their desire.

some do that.

[JasonDB]

I would have the the point was easy to see. If the medicines can wipe out someone's sex drive, maybe the sexual attraction will go away, too. Maybe although no none can choose to be homosexual, bisexual, or heterosexual, some can choose to be asexual and then become that way with help from the medicine.

Given the pleasure, drive, mental benefits and physical benefits of frequint sexual activity, I have difficulty seeing a choice to become asexual as a rational or emotionally healthy choice... especially if it requires drugs to achieve.

[blip63]

No one chooses his sexual orientation, but some medicines decrease sex drive or maybe even take it away.

Interesting. Perhaps those with homosexual desires should be castrated. This way we can keep them from starting families with women(and eventually tearing the families apart due to their sex drive) and they would no longer be a threat in the military.

[WMcEnaney]

Interesting. Perhaps those with homosexual desires should be castrated. This way we can keep them from starting families with women(and eventually tearing the families apart due to their sex drive) and they would no longer be a threat in the military.

Castration would sterilize them, but they could still have sex. Notice, I said could. I did not say "should." I could be 10 feet tall, but I stopped growing years ago.

[blip63]

Castration would sterilize them, but they could still have sex.

Would it not kill their sex drive? Any way that we can prevent homosexuals from having sexual urges at all will be a step in the right direction. I admit I'm not sure how we could do this but it would be too easy for homosexuals to simply not take their medicine and we know the societal problems that are caused by this.

[dmc90]

People still think homosexuals aren't born gay?

lol wow

[WMcEnaney]

If I were an otherwise incurable compulsive serial rapist, I might want to be asexual because my new asexuality would protect my potential victims.

[WMcEnaney]

what's the difference between being a homosexual vs homosexual acts?

Homosexuality is a property, not an action. A heterosexual male prostitute could have homosexual sex with other men without enjoying any of it. He might even hate it but do it anyway because he feels forced to do it.

[WMcEnaney]

Ask Dr. Robert Spitzer whether sexual orientation can change. After he helped thee American Psychological, or the American Psychiatric, Association "normalize" homosexuality, he, a psychiatrist, did a study where about 2% of the homosexual subjects changed their sexual orientations.

[WMcEnaney]

I don't know whether it would kill their sex drive, but I do believe that homosexuality is an unhealthy property to have. On the other hand, if I were a government, I wouldn't force homosexuals to take the medicine simply because they were homosexuals.

[flairon]

I seem to remember Anne Heche marrying Ellen and Heche becoming a super proponent for gay rights. For a couple years she was on various tv interviews about how people are born this way, dont have a choice..blah blah' Then amazingly a few years later, the gay apparently wore off, she got married to a guy and had a kid.

[TH3SHR3DD3R]

Ask Dr. Robert Spitzer whether sexual orientation can change. After he helped thee American Psychological, or the American Psychiatric, Association "normalize" homosexuality, he, a psychiatrist, did a study where about 2% of the homosexual subjects changed their sexual orientations.

Self reporting is not always reliable. This is ALWAYS pointed out in psychological studies.