If species do not evolve

[NiceBoat]

And creationism is correct, why were ruminant animals built with the need to vomit up plant matter to better digest it? Wouldn't they be created with an organ built to accept the plant food as is and digest it whole? Furthermore, why four stomachs? If it was designed, couldn't they just give them one stomach to digest rather than four? The whole thing seems more like something that accidentally happens and yet was workable, rather than designed with intent to me.

It seems that if creationism is correct, god is a lousy designer, as this seems rather inefficient.

[Posthardcore]

And creationism is correct, why were ruminant animals built with the need to vomit up plant matter to better digest it? Wouldn't they be created with an organ built to accept the plant food as is and digest it whole? Furthermore, why four stomachs? If it was designed, couldn't they just give them one stomach to digest rather than four? The whole thing seems more like something that accidentally happens and yet was workable, rather than designed with intent to me.

It seems that if creationism is correct, god is a lousy designer, as this seems rather inefficient.

The cop-out is that God does as He pleases. He's trying to fool us with evolution and testing our faith.

lulz

[semitope]

And creationism is correct, why were ruminant animals built with the need to vomit up plant matter to better digest it? Wouldn't they be created with an organ built to accept the plant food as is and digest it whole? Furthermore, why four stomachs? If it was designed, couldn't they just give them one stomach to digest rather than four? The whole thing seems more like something that accidentally happens and yet was workable, rather than designed with intent to me.

It seems that if creationism is correct, god is a lousy designer, as this seems rather inefficient.

We really wouldn't have the variety of animals we have now, would we? I think he made a LOT of variety in this world, think of anything reasonable and you can probably find an animal that does it. I don't know why you think it needs to be otherwise.

The cop-out is that God does as He pleases. He's trying to fool us with evolution and testing our faith.

lulz

He is not trying to fool you unless you are intent on being a fool. You drawing dumb conclusions at every turn from what he has done doesn't mean he set out to fool you. Another person can look at what the OP mentioned and be amazed by variety.

OP, animals evolve, just not into other kinds of animals. They adapt within their make. I don't understand how you guys would explain the massive variety we see. Why some animals would develop such unique and detailed systems through mutations. Why would one develop wings and the systems that support flight? At the very least a sensible person would consider direction.

[Christianyouth]

When I want to know about the paleo diet I go to the vegetarian message boards and likewise when I have a question about theism I go ask the atheists
/herpderp

brb, need to know about D2 receptors, going to the yoga forums

[NiceBoat]

We really wouldn't have the variety of animals we have now, would we? I think he made a LOT of variety in this world, think of anything reasonable and you can probably find an animal that does it. I don't know why you think it needs to be otherwise.

So he made inefficient animals that would die out just to die out?

It seems perfectly reasonable that some species would be weaker than others, so god creates weaker beings to be preyed on by the strong and wiped out.

Isn't his kindness amazing?

[Oprahwindfury]

It seems that if creationism is correct, god is a lousy designer, as this seems rather inefficient.

Agreed, ever take a sip of water and "realize" that your eso****us is right next to your windpipe? **** pisses me off.

[rattler280]

I have a question. If we evolved from monkeys, and are as intelligent as we are today, why aren't there other species that have evolved to an intelligence level even remotely close to where we are? Shouldn't there be say........something that evolved out of giraffes, whales, bears or any other animal to an intelligence level at least close to ours? This is a serious question btw. I would consider myself somewhere between agnostic and atheist and have always wondered this.

[semitope]

So he made inefficient animals that would die out just to die out?

It seems perfectly reasonable that some species would be weaker than others, so god creates weaker beings to be preyed on by the strong and wiped out.

Isn't his kindness amazing?

animals? wasn't your kindness amazing when you feasted on your last piece of meat. gtho with that.

Also on your point of inefficiency. Where in your OP is that? Ruminants are still alive an kicking last I checked. They only have one stomach with compartments

Why would evolution have gone that way either if its inefficient? Sheesh.

[NiceBoat]

I have a question. If we evolved from monkeys, and are as intelligent as we are today, why aren't there other species that have evolved to an intelligence level even remotely close to where we are? Shouldn't there be say........something that evolved out of giraffes, whales, bears or any other animal to an intelligence level at least close to ours? This is a serious question btw. I would consider myself somewhere between agnostic and atheist and have always wondered this.

Dolphins, iirc have intelligence on an almost human level. Chimps as well, as a few other closely related chimps.

There are other forms of intelligent life, squids for example are very intelligent.

[TheAdlerian]

And creationism is correct, why were ruminant animals built with the need to vomit up plant matter to better digest it? Wouldn't they be created with an organ built to accept the plant food as is and digest it whole? Furthermore, why four stomachs? If it was designed, couldn't they just give them one stomach to digest rather than four? The whole thing seems more like something that accidentally happens and yet was workable, rather than designed with intent to me.

It seems that if creationism is correct, god is a lousy designer, as this seems rather inefficient.

When god is used to explain things anything is possible.

He may have created cows specifically for you to write your post.

[semitope]

Dolphins, iirc have intelligence on an almost human level. Chimps as well, as a few other closely related chimps.

There are other forms of intelligent life, squids for example are very intelligent.

They have brains the size of a humans in relation to body size, but intelligence-wise, not close.

[AudiRS6]

I have a question. If we evolved from monkeys, and are as intelligent as we are today, why aren't there other species that have evolved to an intelligence level even remotely close to where we are? Shouldn't there be say........something that evolved out of giraffes, whales, bears or any other animal to an intelligence level at least close to ours? This is a serious question btw. I would consider myself somewhere between agnostic and atheist and have always wondered this.

Have you ever read a fuking book? Maybe read one about human evolution and then come back in here and edit your post.

[Rdez]

And creationism is correct, why were ruminant animals built with the need to vomit up plant matter to better digest it? Wouldn't they be created with an organ built to accept the plant food as is and digest it whole? Furthermore, why four stomachs? If it was designed, couldn't they just give them one stomach to digest rather than four? The whole thing seems more like something that accidentally happens and yet was workable, rather than designed with intent to me.

It seems that if creationism is correct, god is a lousy designer, as this seems rather inefficient.

Because they would eat too much vegetation then, destroying the balance. They evolved or were created (take your pick) to take advantage of food that other forms of life were not well suited to eat.

???

[NiceBoat]

Because they would eat too much vegetation then, destroying the balance. They evolved or were created (take your pick) to take advantage of food that other forms of life were not well suited to eat.

???

I understand that they evolved to eat something that little other animal life could take advantage of for nutirtion.

The point was they have 4 stomachs, they have to vomit it up to allow it to digest and become nutrients.

This is rather lousy design when considering what an omnipotent god is capable of. However if it was a gradual process getting there, four stomachs and the need to vomit it up might just be one phase of an eventual change that leads to a more efficient form of digestion.

BTW semi, even if YOU believe that species change and evolve with in species, most in the YEC movement do not believe even that, and that the t-rex was on noahs arc and all sorts of stuff like that. At least you are not that far gone.

[BBmisc420196]

When I want to know about the paleo diet I go to the vegetarian message boards and likewise when I have a question about theism I go ask the atheists
/herpderp

brb, need to know about D2 receptors, going to the yoga forums

Theists know less about religion than atheists do, and there are studies to back this notion up.
You are the herp derp it seems.....

[semitope]

Theists know less about religion than atheists do, and there are studies to back this notion up.
You are the herp derp it seems.....

more like atheists think they know more about religion than theists do, the same way they think they are smarter. delusional

[semitope]

I understand that they evolved to eat something that little other animal life could take advantage of for nutirtion.

The point was they have 4 stomachs, they have to vomit it up to allow it to digest and become nutrients.

This is rather lousy design when considering what an omnipotent god is capable of. However if it was a gradual process getting there, four stomachs and the need to vomit it up might just be one phase of an eventual change that leads to a more efficient form of digestion.

BTW semi, even if YOU believe that species change and evolve with in species, most in the YEC movement do not believe even that, and that the t-rex was on noahs arc and all sorts of stuff like that. At least you are not that far gone.

Why on earth would evolution do that? You are here saying the design is inefficient, so if it is, why would they be naturally selected for? Why would they even develop more than one stomach compartment? You really are just bending this to suit your needs. You default to the position that God must not have known what he was doing (even though these animals are doing quite well)

[NiceBoat]

Why on earth would evolution do that? You are here saying the design is inefficient, so if it is, why would they be naturally selected for? Why would they even develop more than one stomach compartment? You really are just bending this to suit your needs. You default to the position that God must not have known what he was doing (even though these animals are doing quite well)

If they can turn a source of material that nothing else eats into something edible it gives them an advantage that a readily available source of food offers.

Its the same with humans and the ability to drink milk. The reason why a lot of people in the west and africa can drink milk even after being a child is because of the natural edge it gave due to it being a nutrient rich source of food that was plentiful.

Its the same concept with eating grass. As they gradually were more and more able to eat it they could beat out other herbivore competition because they didn't need to expend as much energy searching for food. They could also sustain a larger population, or grow to become larger and better able to defend themselves a lot easier. There is a natural advantage, however the ability to eat grass in its current form has some flaws that, if it was designed, make little sense.

[dave.mc]

I have a question. If we evolved from monkeys, and are as intelligent as we are today, why aren't there other species that have evolved to an intelligence level even remotely close to where we are? Shouldn't there be say........something that evolved out of giraffes, whales, bears or any other animal to an intelligence level at least close to ours? This is a serious question btw. I would consider myself somewhere between agnostic and atheist and have always wondered this.

Evolution is about survival and adapting to environments, intelligence is not a primary requirement for a species to survive.

[BBmisc420196]

more like atheists think they know more about religion than theists do, the same way they think they are smarter. delusional

Actually there is real, tangible evidence. Something you are not used to requiring for your beliefs, but here ya go



http://pewforum.org/other-beliefs-an...ge-survey.aspx


Everyone took the same survey, religious people scored the lowest. Not uprising to see Christians, much like yourself, being the least knowledgeable of religion.....

[Streetbull]

I prefer Stephen King's view of God...God is infinitely intelligent and gets infinitely bored. God therefore is putting on an infinite play.

Think of how amusing humanity is: in a West Virginia school, a teacher and the principal were caught smoking meth.

"CHARLESTON, W.Va. - A West Virginia public vocational school has been shut down indefinitely after traces of methamphetamine were found throughout the building during an investigation of the principal and a teacher.

State Police Sgt. Andy Perdue said Monday that traces of the drug were found in the ducts, principal's office, hallways and bathrooms of the Boone County Career and Technical Center. Perdue says the teacher admitted he smoked meth with the principal in the principal's office."

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/offbeat/art...#ixzz1TRC53xMI

Watching cows vomit up food is amusing, so...it happens. (Stolifun posts pics of the vomit here every once in awhile.)

That sort of stuff goes on constantly and God is amused.

[flairon]

Or another similar question...if humans dont/didnt evolve, and science has already traced pretty much every human genetically to Africa, how do the religious explain the different races?

[JasonDB]

Actually there is real, tangible evidence. Something you are not used to requiring for your beliefs, but here ya go



http://pewforum.org/other-beliefs-an...ge-survey.aspx


Everyone took the same survey, religious people scored the lowest. Not uprising to see Christians, much like yourself, being the least knowledgeable of religion.....

Just took one of those quizes and got 97% correct... rawr. I am informed. Ok I did guess on the Pakistan question and assumed they are Muslim... but hey.

[JasonDB]

Or another similar question...if humans dont/didnt evolve, and science has already traced pretty much every human genetically to Africa, how do the religious explain the different races?

The Tower of Babel.

[flairon]

The Tower of Babel.

I believe that is the religious explanation for different languages.

[drpurple]

Just took one of those quizes and got 97% correct... rawr. I am informed. Ok I did guess on the Pakistan question and assumed they are Muslim... but hey.

i got 80%, but having said that, a couple of questions i got wrong, i kind of realised i got wrong after i clicked next.

[JasonDB]

I believe that is the religious explanation for different languages.

Fundimentalists Christians often use it to explain the creation of different races and ethnic groups as well.

[flairon]

oh...well tower of babel it is then. makes way more sense that a tower to god was trying to be built than environmental influences creating adaptations over time.

[semitope]

Actually there is real, tangible evidence. Something you are not used to requiring for your beliefs, but here ya go



http://pewforum.org/other-beliefs-an...ge-survey.aspx


Everyone took the same survey, religious people scored the lowest. Not uprising to see Christians, much like yourself, being the least knowledgeable of religion.....

Seems they know the most about their own religion. *shrug* now we go on to arguing about which is more important and if the questions were the right ones. Also if the difference is significant.

More than four-in-ten Catholics in the United States (45%) do not know that their church teaches that the bread and wine used in Communion do not merely symbolize but actually become the body and blood of Christ. About half of Protestants (53%) cannot correctly identify Martin Luther as the person whose writings and actions inspired the Protestant Reformation, which made their religion a separate branch of Christianity. Roughly four-in-ten Jews (43%) do not recognize that Maimonides, one of the most venerated rabbis in history, was Jewish.

In addition, fewer than half of Americans (47%) know that the Dalai Lama is Buddhist. Fewer than four-in-ten (38%) correctly associate Vishnu and Shiva with Hinduism. And only about a quarter of all Americans (27%) correctly answer that most people in Indonesia – the country with the world’s largest Muslim population – are Muslims.

This stuff doesn't even apply to what we talk about here.

[Whoda]

You are using broad strokes in talking about creationism. Tell me this, where in the bible does is say animals do not involve? Or is this just too complicated for a creator who created the whole cosmos?