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    any NCAA banned substances in my stack?

    White flood, purple wraath, dark matter, cellucor NO3 black chrome...

    I was looking up the NCAA banned substances and they don't feature a full list only examples of substances in categories, thanks for any feedback
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    isnt caffeine banned by ncaa. id be wary of the stimulants in a lot of supplements but im sure it leaves your body quickly too.
    all i know is that ground beef isnt banned
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    Originally Posted by smsst14 View Post
    White flood, purple wraath, dark matter, cellucor NO3 black chrome...

    I was looking up the NCAA banned substances and they don't feature a full list only examples of substances in categories, thanks for any feedback
    Drop the Dark Matter. It contains Glycerol Monostearate (GMS) which is banned by the NCAA. It is classified as a diuretic. I have no idea how much GMS is in Dark Matter, or how much GMS it takes to fail an NCAA drug test, but I wouldn't risk it.


    Originally Posted by blindsideflank View Post
    isnt caffeine banned by ncaa. id be wary of the stimulants in a lot of supplements but im sure it leaves your body quickly too.
    all i know is that ground beef isnt banned
    Caffeine is restricted, not banned. I read somewhere that it would take about 6 cups of coffee in an hour to have enough caffeine in your body to fail an NCAA drug test. White Flood doesn't have near that much caffeine. It is fine.
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    thanks a lot, any suggestions for a post workout that isn't NCAA banned?
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    Originally Posted by smsst14 View Post
    thanks a lot, any suggestions for a post workout that isn't NCAA banned?
    Micronized Creatine Monohydrate

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    Protein Powder
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    Originally Posted by Spencelynn View Post
    Micronized Creatine Monohydrate

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    Protein Powder
    This.

    OP you also should know the caffiene (found in pre workout supps) in certain levels (the same levels caused by pre workout supps) is banned by the NCAA.
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    if your an NCAA athlete just ask your trainer
    they may try to discourage you from taking something, but they do not have the final say in what you do, they should just simply tell you what in each substance is banned
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    Originally Posted by ven33 View Post
    This.

    OP you also should know the caffiene (found in pre workout supps) in certain levels (the same levels caused by pre workout supps) is banned by the NCAA.
    Caffeine is restricted, not banned. He will most likely be fine taking White Flood. One serving of White Flood does not have enough caffeine in it to cause a failed drug test.
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    Originally Posted by Nolan78 View Post
    if your an NCAA athlete just ask your trainer
    they may try to discourage you from taking something, but they do not have the final say in what you do, they should just simply tell you what in each substance is banned
    To be honest most strength coaches wouldn't know the full list of banned substances. The NCAA doesn't send out email/mail notices, they simply post it on a website and expect coaches and athletes to seek out the information (which most do not do).
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    Originally Posted by Jhawk Fitness View Post
    To be honest most strength coaches wouldn't know the full list of banned substances. The NCAA doesn't send out email/mail notices, they simply post it on a website and expect coaches and athletes to seek out the information (which most do not do).
    Strength coach does not equal trainer.
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    Originally Posted by ven33 View Post
    Strength coach does not equal trainer.
    To the average joe it does. Even if he did mean the schools ATC my point still stands.
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    Originally Posted by Jhawk Fitness View Post
    To the average joe it does. Even if he did mean the schools ATC my point still stands.
    The ATC's job is to know the legality, hence why they are the ones that GIVE the NCAA compliance paperwork pertaining to supplement intake to you.
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    Originally Posted by smsst14 View Post
    White flood, purple wraath, dark matter, cellucor NO3 black chrome...

    I was looking up the NCAA banned substances and they don't feature a full list only examples of substances in categories, thanks for any feedback
    ive heard pre-workouts are banned too. that would knock out your no3 black and white flood i believe
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    Originally Posted by embulldogs99 View Post
    ive heard pre-workouts are banned too. that would knock out your no3 black and white flood i believe
    They dont ban pre workout supps....they ban contents.

    Use the labels and determine for yourself if what you are taking is illegal.
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    Originally Posted by ven33 View Post
    Strength coach does not equal trainer.
    this
    all you have to do is bring the trainers the label where it shows everything in it
    and a lot of the time they will tell you it has a banned substance, but not enough to fail a drug test, I found this out with a few sups
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    Originally Posted by ven33 View Post
    They dont ban pre workout supps....they ban contents.

    Use the labels and determine for yourself if what you are taking is illegal.
    agreed. sorry i mispoke. a friend of mine told me there is something in pre-workouts that is banned by NCAA but i didnt take the time to look into it myself.
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    Problem is most ATC's don't take the time to read. So they tell you to avoid supps even though there is nothing wrong with them. They just go by the philosophy that taking nothing is better than taking anything.

    So it is typically best to do the research on your own.

    The NCAA will not let you play if you fail a test and blame your ATC for telling you it was ok. They will still not let you play and you will have wished you checked it on your own.
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    List of common supplements/ingredients that can cause you to fail a drug test for the NCAA:
    I will update this list with new supps when I find them.


    Glycerol Monostearate (GMS)
    -classified as a diuretic by the NCAA
    -found in the following supplements: Dark Matter, GylcerGrow, Hemorush, will update


    1,3-Dimethylamylamine
    -very common in preworkout drinks, and fat burners
    -found in the following: Jack3d, Presurge Unleashed, Cryoshock, OxyELITE Pro, Old Version of 1MR, C4 Extreme, M5 Extreme, ACG3, Hemorush, will update with more
    -also goes by the names: Geranium, Geranium Extract, Geranium Oil Extract, DMAA, 1,3-D, Methylhexanenamine


    Prohormones


    Test Boosters


    Steroids


    HGH


    Caffeine
    -Restricted, NOT BANNED
    -A single serving of most preworkouts do not contain enough caffeine to cause you to fail a drug test
    -Caffeine concentrations at or above 15mcg/ml in urine will cause a failed NCAA drug test


    Helpful NCAA links:
    http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/...ned+drugs+list
    http://drugfreesportrec.blogspot.com/





    Mods should sticky this.
    I will update with more information from time to time.
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    This is very interesting. NCAA changed their stance on caffeine since I graduated college (3 years ago). Looks like they got their heads on straight about preworkout supps.
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    Originally Posted by Spencelynn View Post
    List of common supplements/ingredients...
    u really should make a thread to get stickied. but to help u and everyone I am just going to start naming some common pre-workouts that may or may not be added to the list.

    no3 black
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    pump-bol
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    those are all i have taken.

    everyone should pitch in to make this a big list. important for all college athletes
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    Originally Posted by embulldogs99 View Post
    u really should make a thread to get stickied. but to help u and everyone I am just going to start naming some common pre-workouts that may or may not be added to the list.

    no3 black
    no xplode
    cellucor c4
    pump-bol
    m5
    acg3

    those are all i have taken.

    everyone should pitch in to make this a big list. important for all college athletes
    You should pitch in with info that is actually correct.

    NO3 Black Chrome is fine
    NO Xplode is fine
    C4 Extreme will be added to the list
    Pump-Bol is fine
    M5 will be added to the list
    ACG3 never even heard of this before but will be added to the list


    Please just don't go throwing out any supplement. If you have a question about a particular supplement ask and I will look it up.
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    Originally Posted by Spencelynn View Post
    You should pitch in with info that is actually correct.

    NO3 Black Chrome is fine
    NO Xplode is fine
    C4 Extreme will be added to the list
    Pump-Bol is fine
    M5 will be added to the list
    ACG3 never even heard of this before but will be added to the list


    Please just don't go throwing out any supplement. If you have a question about a particular supplement ask and I will look it up.
    fair enough. if i come across supps that people might use I will look them up and put them up here
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    just interested. what about c4 extreme makes it illegal?
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    Originally Posted by embulldogs99 View Post
    fair enough. if i come across supps that people might use I will look them up and put them up here
    Originally Posted by embulldogs99 View Post
    just interested. what about c4 extreme makes it illegal?
    I mean, if you have a question about whether a supp is good to go or not that's fine, ask away; but just don't throw out a list of supps and possibly give someone the wrong idea about it. Know what I'm sayin?


    C4 Extreme has 1,3-D in it.
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    Originally Posted by Spencelynn View Post
    I mean, if you have a question about whether a supp is good to go or not that's fine, ask away; but just don't throw out a list of supps and possibly give someone the wrong idea about it. Know what I'm sayin?


    C4 Extreme has 1,3-D in it.
    ya i get it. i didnt know if u just couldnt think of more or have more in mind and were taking your time
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    Originally Posted by ven33 View Post
    The ATC's job is to know the legality, hence why they are the ones that GIVE the NCAA compliance paperwork pertaining to supplement intake to you.
    Apparently not everyone gets the memo; http://www.mlive.com/lakers/index.ss...ng_banned.html

    Additionally, having spent several years coaching at both and pro and college level that it was always left to us (the strength staff) to handle supplement counseling.
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    Originally Posted by Jhawk Fitness View Post
    Apparently not everyone gets the memo; http://www.mlive.com/lakers/index.ss...ng_banned.html

    Additionally, having spent several years coaching at both and pro and college level that it was always left to us (the strength staff) to handle supplement counseling.
    What's funny is that article bashes the NCAA for not telling everyone that they have updated their regulations.

    The funny part about it is that no one took the time to research jack3d and look at the ingredients. If they had they would have caught this early.

    I do not pity anyone who fails the NCAA's tests.
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    Yet again thanks, looks like im returning my DM to bb.com in exchange for something that won't + me on a test. I was already aware of the 1,3 dimeth being banned but to be honest i never liked 1,3's effects anyways. As strict as the NCAA is you think that it would set a clearer list of banned supplements, or in a perfect world a full list of banned ingredients. I don't mind looking to see if the individual ingredients in my supps are banned, it just becomes more complicated when i don't have any information on whether a majority of the ingredients in supps i take are banned or not...
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    Hey i was wondering about these three supplements that i am taking. Betancourt BCAA Chewies, and Syntha-6 protein powder, 1 a day pro edge multivitamins. Thanks
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    Originally Posted by freed59 View Post
    Hey i was wondering about these three supplements that i am taking. Betancourt BCAA Chewies, and Syntha-6 protein powder, 1 a day pro edge multivitamins. Thanks
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