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    Question NO Xplode 2.0 Questions?

    Thinking to grab the buy 1 get 1 free offer on bb.com, what are the changes in 2.0? On no xplode page says "Contains 4 Novel Creatine Sources – No Creatine Monohydrate" I saw CEE listed as 1 of the creatine sources, is CEE better than creatine monohydrate? :s11: Any no xplode reps can help?
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    Originally Posted by banginator View Post
    Thinking to grab the buy 1 get 1 free offer on bb.com, what are the changes in 2.0? On no xplode page says "Contains 4 Novel Creatine Sources – No Creatine Monohydrate" I saw CEE listed as 1 of the creatine sources, is CEE better than creatine monohydrate? :s11: Any no xplode reps can help?
    CEE has the same basic effects as monohydrate, but less is needed for the same results, and it is said to absorb into muscle tissue better. The 2.0 looks pretty solid to me, I would do it.
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    Originally Posted by YrRndFit View Post
    CEE has the same basic effects as monohydrate, but less is needed for the same results, and it is said to absorb into muscle tissue better. The 2.0 looks pretty solid to me, I would do it.
    Is that the reason why monohydrate is not included, can the rep please confirm this? Like to know how much creatine is in no xplode?
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    Originally Posted by banginator View Post
    Is that the reason why monohydrate is not included, can the rep please confirm this? Like to know how much creatine is in no xplode?
    Monohydrate gives a bloating look that most people don't like, which is why they are telling you that it is not included. You don't need a rep to tell you, just look it up on google
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    I search google and found this from wikipedia:

    CEE is said to have a much better absorption rate and a longer half-life in the body than regular creatine monohydrate, because it is slightly more lipophilic.[citation needed] It is also proposed to bypass the creatine transporter, thereby increasing skeletal muscle uptake of creatine and leading to an increased ability to regenerate ATP. [1] However, in a published study comparing the two, CEE was not as effective at increasing serum and muscle creatine levels or in improving body composition, muscle mass, strength, and power.

    Please explain.
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    Originally Posted by YrRndFit View Post
    CEE has the same basic effects as monohydrate, but less is needed for the same results, and it is said to absorb into muscle tissue better. The 2.0 looks pretty solid to me, I would do it.
    Originally Posted by YrRndFit View Post
    Monohydrate gives a bloating look that most people don't like, which is why they are telling you that it is not included. You don't need a rep to tell you, just look it up on google
    this is just WRONG. stop spreading terrible info please.



    OP - Creatine Ethyl Ester has been debunked NUMEROUS times now. Creatine Monohydrate is far superior.

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    Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    this is just WRONG. stop spreading terrible info please.



    OP - Creatine Ethyl Ester has been debunked NUMEROUS times now. Creatine Monohydrate is far superior.

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    If mono is more superior, why was CEE in it instead of mono? Any no xplode reps around, can you please explain?
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    Originally Posted by banginator View Post
    If mono is more superior, why was CEE in it instead of mono? Any no xplode reps around, can you please explain?
    I have no clue why they would use CEE in their formulation, especially since it is more expensive than Monohydrate, and clinically proven to be less effective.
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    Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    I have no clue why they would use CEE in their formulation, especially since it is more expensive than Monohydrate, and clinically proven to be less effective.
    At first I thought the issue was with mono because it says "Contains 4 Novel Creatine Sources – No Creatine Monohydrate" Now just need to wait for the rep to explain why.
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    Originally Posted by banginator View Post
    At first I thought the issue was with mono because it says "Contains 4 Novel Creatine Sources – No Creatine Monohydrate" Now just need to wait for the rep to explain why.
    not too many reps for BSN on bb.com, you may do better if you contact BSN directly
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    I thought that their NT was a much better formula. Was just a little rough on the stomach for me.
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    If I remember correctly, very, very, little is different from the original formula. I got a few samples of it as well, the worked just about as average as the original.
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    It containes Di-Creatine-Malic which is a highly soluble creatine salt with a greater increase in creatine bio-availability, which is superior to mono.
    Some of it's claims....
    Improve athletic performance & endurance.

    Maximize your body's production of energy.

    Acts as a lactic acid buffer.

    No cramping or upset stomach.

    Quickly replenish ATP for peak power output.
    Creatine-Sodium Phosphate
    A sodium salt of creatine phosphate, which enhances water solubility. Once inside the bloodstream, a sodium chloride dependent transporter is responsible for carrying the creatine to the muscles cells. So by combining creatine with sodium, the uptake and absorption of creatine is greatly enhanced.
    Creatinol-O-Phosphate-Malic
    A creatine analog known for its role in supporting cardiovascular function, increasing oxygen availability, endurance, work capacity and time to exhaustion. ATP is our body’s energy, the energy to have a muscular contraction and the energy to repair muscle tissue. Creatine helps to carry phosphates, which it donates to ADP, adenosine diphosphate, to make more ATP, adenosine triphosphate, thus more energy. This process if further enhanced by Malic Acid, a Krebs Cycle intermidate, involved in the production of ATP. This interfusion functions synergystically with creatine to create more available ATP for explosive energy.
    Creatine Ethyl Ester HCL
    Creatine Ethyl Ester is creatine with an ester molecule attached. Esters are organic compounds that help shuttle the creatine across lipid membranes of the gut and directly into the bloodstream for direct transport to your muscle cells. This prevents the creatine from being destroyed in the gut or being heavily converted to creatinine and drives more creatine directly into muscle tissue where it is used to increase lean tissue, improve cell volumization, delay fatigue and pump up your endurance and strength.
    Quoted from various sources online...

    Those are the 4 creatine sources. While some might say one isn't better than mono, I believe all of them together are superior.

    All in all it could all come down to how your body reacts. Some people react to mono, some don't. Some bloat, some don't. It all depends on the individual.
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    Originally Posted by banginator View Post
    Finally found a rep!
    Is amminox available at bb.com? Can I take this with no xplode?
    Got some questions about no xplode, need your help.
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?p=725185961
    Well, im not a REP, but ill help out since they are slacking.... JK, JK they got alot on their hands.

    currently amino X is available here @ bb.com, here is the link: http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/bsn/aminox.html

    its currently $20.99 for 30 servings. which is not bad at all.

    also, this product is designed to be used with its brothers. of which NO Explode is one of them. so its actually recommended that you use this in conjunction with NO Explode, either 1.0 or 2.0 along with a solid diet of course.

    i hope i helped out, ill also post this in your other thread for convenience!

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    Originally Posted by banginator View Post
    Thinking to grab the buy 1 get 1 free offer on bb.com, what are the changes in 2.0? On no xplode page says "Contains 4 Novel Creatine Sources – No Creatine Monohydrate" I saw CEE listed as 1 of the creatine sources, is CEE better than creatine monohydrate? :s11: Any no xplode reps can help?
    Originally Posted by PeteyFunk View Post
    If I remember correctly, very, very, little is different from the original formula. I got a few samples of it as well, the worked just about as average as the original.
    1.) The main differences between N.O.-XPLODE 2.0 and the original formula is that we ramped up more of what people loved about the formula: Pumps, energy, endurance, focus, etc. For example, we ramped up beta-alanine, citrulline malate, the vinca alkaloids, betaine and others.

    2.) CEE has better absorption than monohydrate. Again, there esterification helps with the lipid solubility of the creatine.

    3.) There is nothing wrong with creatine monohydrate, the majority of studies that have been done on creatine have been done on monohydrate. Many of the performance enhancing benefits of creatine are based on studies done with creatine monohydrate. Here’s one thing to remember with creatine, it all has the base chemical structure. The AKGs, Ethyl Ester and other bonds you may see are ionic bonds to creatine mono. The mineral or salt bonds help with their absorption or uptake. So we use CEE for example simply to improve absorption. I don’t knock monohydrate at all like some companies do. Yes, some people have troubles absorbing monohydrate and may experience bloating but that sometimes can be from people still believing that they need to load it which is complete bs.

    In each scoop of N.O.-XPLODE, there is over 2 grams of creatine, pretty good from a pre-workout product.
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    Originally Posted by TheMatzah View Post
    1.) The main differences between N.O.-XPLODE 2.0 and the original formula is that we ramped up more of what people loved about the formula: Pumps, energy, endurance, focus, etc. For example, we ramped up beta-alanine, citrulline malate, the vinca alkaloids, betaine and others.

    2.) CEE has better absorption than monohydrate. Again, there esterification helps with the lipid solubility of the creatine.

    3.) There is nothing wrong with creatine monohydrate, the majority of studies that have been done on creatine have been done on monohydrate. Many of the performance enhancing benefits of creatine are based on studies done with creatine monohydrate. Here’s one thing to remember with creatine, it all has the base chemical structure. The AKGs, Ethyl Ester and other bonds you may see are ionic bonds to creatine mono. The mineral or salt bonds help with their absorption or uptake. So we use CEE for example simply to improve absorption. I don’t knock monohydrate at all like some companies do. Yes, some people have troubles absorbing monohydrate and may experience bloating but that sometimes can be from people still believing that they need to load it which is complete bs.

    In each scoop of N.O.-XPLODE, there is over 2 grams of creatine, pretty good from a pre-workout product.
    this is not correct.
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    this is not correct.
    My mind was blown when I read that.
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    I tried it and didn't like it. I actually wound up giving 1/2 a box to a guy at work. It gave me energy, but it was a weird kind of energy. Kind of like putting "Naws" in a Kia, sure you'd go faster but it's a nervous kind of faster.
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    Originally Posted by ProWrestleFan View Post
    It containes Di-Creatine-Malic which is a highly soluble creatine salt with a greater increase in creatine bio-availability, which is superior to mono.
    Some of it's claims....


    Creatine-Sodium Phosphate


    Creatinol-O-Phosphate-Malic


    Creatine Ethyl Ester HCL


    Quoted from various sources online...

    Those are the 4 creatine sources. While some might say one isn't better than mono, I believe all of them together are superior.

    All in all it could all come down to how your body reacts. Some people react to mono, some don't. Some bloat, some don't. It all depends on the individual.
    A. DCM is not more boiavailable than mono.

    B. COP is not creatine
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    While I was still slaving at GNC I used the new No xpolde and I thought it worked pretty damn good. I wouldnt PAY the heffty price tag gnc charges but buy one fet one is might be worth it
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    Originally Posted by TXGTOU View Post
    I tried it and didn't like it. I actually wound up giving 1/2 a box to a guy at work. It gave me energy, but it was a weird kind of energy. Kind of like putting "Naws" in a Kia, sure you'd go faster but it's a nervous kind of faster.
    Hilarious ^^ But sorry to hear the energy was weird.
    Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    this is not correct.
    Originally Posted by Elliptical Envy View Post
    My mind was blown when I read that.
    CEE is a creatine molecule with an ester attached. Normal creatine molecules are zwitterions, or molecules with one positive end and one negative end. This causes less absorption into the body.

    However, the ester counteracts the charges and allows for almost 99% absorption into the body. This removes the need for a loading phase, and is THE MOST absorbent creatine by far yet!

    Some Pros of CEE:
    More effective because of increased absorption.
    All or majority of users will respond to this.
    Does not cause any of the side effects of monohydrate such as bloating or stomach discomfort.
    No loading phase or a 1 day loading phase.

    I hope this helps but keep in mind we're all entitled to an opinion, not here to argue that, just trying to help out when possible. In the end, the consumer will make their own decision as there's no subject more accurate then your body and how it will or won't respond to certain supplements. We all know what works for us and what doesn't based on trial/error and trying different things.
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    Matz, because I like you, delete your last post ASAP.
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    Originally Posted by Mr.Cooper69 View Post
    Matz, because I like you, delete your last post ASAP.
    Why is that?
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    Just trust me...it wont end well.

    The bioavailability of mono was never the issue. CEE is actually absorbed more poorly overall because it degrades into creatinine at significant levels.
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    Originally Posted by TheMatzah View Post
    Hilarious ^^ But sorry to hear the energy was weird.


    CEE is a creatine molecule with an ester attached. Normal creatine molecules are zwitterions, or molecules with one positive end and one negative end. This causes less absorption into the body.

    However, the ester counteracts the charges and allows for almost 99% absorption into the body. This removes the need for a loading phase, and is THE MOST absorbent creatine by far yet!

    Some Pros of CEE:
    More effective because of increased absorption.
    All or majority of users will respond to this.
    Does not cause any of the side effects of monohydrate such as bloating or stomach discomfort.
    No loading phase or a 1 day loading phase.

    I hope this helps but keep in mind we're all entitled to an opinion, not here to argue that, just trying to help out when possible. In the end, the consumer will make their own decision as there's no subject more accurate then your body and how it will or won't respond to certain supplements. We all know what works for us and what doesn't based on trial/error and trying different things.
    I really can't believe you are typing this ****. Please tell me you have a BSN rep FAQ and you are just copying and pasting things...

    I don't like to cherry pick studies, but Anthony Roberts posted something about CEE being garbage on his website.

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    this is great.
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    Thumbs up

    It's all good as I stated earlier, not here to argue points or nit-pick different studies. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, study they believe in, etc..



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    It's all good as I stated earlier, not here to argue points or nit-pick different studies. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, study they believe in, etc..



    I've got slim on ignore so can't see, nor do I care what he posted above.
    Are you voicing your opinion or the opinion of the company that gives you free stuff?
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    Originally Posted by TheMatzah View Post
    It's all good as I stated earlier, not here to argue points or nit-pick different studies. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, study they believe in, etc..



    I've got slim on ignore so can't see, nor do I care what he posted above.
    LOL. I hope you never try to discuss science again.

    zwitterions and their definiton. So obvious that you are just spewing information off of google or some PDF that BSN gave you
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    Originally Posted by TheMatzah View Post
    Hilarious ^^ But sorry to hear the energy was weird.


    CEE is a creatine molecule with an ester attached. Normal creatine molecules are zwitterions, or molecules with one positive end and one negative end. This causes less absorption into the body.

    However, the ester counteracts the charges and allows for almost 99% absorption into the body. This removes the need for a loading phase, and is THE MOST absorbent creatine by far yet!

    Some Pros of CEE:
    More effective because of increased absorption.
    All or majority of users will respond to this.
    Does not cause any of the side effects of monohydrate such as bloating or stomach discomfort.
    No loading phase or a 1 day loading phase.

    I hope this helps but keep in mind we're all entitled to an opinion, not here to argue that, just trying to help out when possible. In the end, the consumer will make their own decision as there's no subject more accurate then your body and how it will or won't respond to certain supplements. We all know what works for us and what doesn't based on trial/error and trying different things.
    to be honest, I have no clue who you are(as a poster). I can't say I've ever noticed you posting before.

    When someone shows little to no knowledge, I do my best to help them see they are incorrect(see above to my first post in this thread), but the fact that you keep going is just asinine.


    CEE has worse absorption than Mono.
    CEE converts to creatinine at a higher rate than Mono
    CEE does not work as well as Mono.



    yes i am serious. no copying and pasting from BSN's website will make a difference. You are wrong, and as someone in a rep position, you should be embarrassed at your knowledge.


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