Oslo Norway

[cmbg]

this is heartbreaking

[Keltron]

F'ck saw on CNN that the kids were jumping in the water trying to escape the gunman and he shot them dead in the water and some drown due to the cold water

damn, poor kids

[polibear]

very sad.

[paolo59]

They're now putting the death toll at 80+.

Good Lord. The bombing or the shooting of the young people? Such senseless, mindless violence. It is heart wrenching. Waste. Ignorant, blind, waste.

[hochspeyer]

Another sad day. The successes of al-Qaeda are truly like ripples on a pond. Long before any details were known, radical Islam was blamed for the attack. This, no doubt, will fuel generic hate for Islam in general and further polarize people that may have been sitting on the fence or just curious before.

No matter what, the civilized world will lose from this dastardly attack. Very, very sad indeed. It further contributes to our own immunity to the horrors of the modern world. Does anyone remember the Hinderberg broadcast? The sheer terror in the broadcaster's voice? The description of the epic fail? A total of thirty-six individuals perished in that... no one deserves to die before their time, but if you listen to the audio, you'll see how far we have fallen....

[KyleAaron]

Here's hoping we don't stop with Osama's death and continue to kill off these pricks one by one.

if that takes obliterating them as WE did in WWII, then step to it and get the job done, no mercy, no regret, no quarter , they understand death & destruction give it to em you cowards en masse ! I FING HATE THIS STUFF

You want to kill people who like this guy "describes himself as a Christian and a conservative"?

I'm against indiscriminate killing of any racial or religious group, but if that's what you feel...

"Jihad", just like the perpetrators of this obscene display of evil in Norway.

Premature speculation, that was. After you clean up your keyboard, call the doctor, I think they have a pill for that.

I'm disappointed in the members of this forum. Not surprised, but disappointed. That you'd use this tragedy to try to advance your own agenda of bigoted hatred is disgusting. This is simply a horrendous tragedy. The people of Norway need our help and sympathy, not our bigotry.

[DanielBeauchamp]

Apparently the shooter was a Norwegian national, not an Al-Queda terrorist.

@ Kyle: I am against terrorism; not against Muslims or the Arab people, being half-Syrian myself. In this case it seems I and a few others were mistaken in our conclusions...my apologies.


Terrible...I don't pray much, but I hope the families of those victims are all right...

[flairon]

The death toll is up to 87 and they are saying it was a extremist right wing group in Norway, not Islamic terrorists. Most times those groups take responsibility for things they didn't do to capitalize on the confusion and fear so as to make themselves look more powerful.

[freebirdmac]

"A picture is emerging, gleaned from official sources and social media, of a right-wing Christian fundamentalist who may have had an issue with Norway's multi-cultural society."

[DanielBeauchamp]

"A picture is emerging, gleaned from official sources and social media, of a right-wing Christian fundamentalist who may have had an issue with Norway's multi-cultural society."

Please don't tell me they're going to turn this horrible tragedy into more propaganda for universalism...

[KyleAaron]

Please don't tell me they're going to turn this horrible tragedy into more propaganda for universalism...

Could be worse, we could use it as a justification to invade a country who had nothing to do with it, but who happen to share a religion and race with the actual perpetrator.

Hmmm, can we think of any countries with a lot of right-wing fundamentalist Christians who preach violence against peaceful socialists who favour gay marriage and abortion? Maybe one with weapons of mass destruction, eh?

Or maybe, just maybe, we could get our hands off our genitals as we furiously masturbate to all the political drama, set aside our bullsht ideologies for once, and just let the poor Norwegians mourn their dead, offering our help and sympathy.

[mslman71]

I'm disappointed in the members of this forum. Not surprised, but disappointed.

This says more about you than the members of this forum.

People seeing what they want to see, searching for reinforcement of what they expect, is a universal phenomenon.

[NYkarate]

You want to kill people who like this guy "describes himself as a Christian and a conservative"?

I'm against indiscriminate killing of any racial or religious group, but if that's what you feel...

Premature speculation, that was. After you clean up your keyboard, call the doctor, I think they have a pill for that.

I'm disappointed in the members of this forum. Not surprised, but disappointed. That you'd use this tragedy to try to advance your own agenda of bigoted hatred is disgusting. This is simply a horrendous tragedy. The people of Norway need our help and sympathy, not our bigotry.

There is absolutly no bigotry in my post whatsoever. The concept of Jihad has motivated certain groups to go to war or just slaughter innocent people of all faiths including their fellow Muslims. If you don't think that is a poisoness ideology, I really don't know what to say.

At one time, Christians burned people at the stake, are you going to say that wasn't poisoness to humanity and any criticism of the ideology that fostered such behavior is bigotted? I have nothing against people who wish to live in peace and could care less about how they view the world metaphysically. I do hate those who wish harm upon innocent people for any ideology. What I posted is as relevant today as it was before we knew and was relevant in the First Milinium.

Please keep in mind that Jihad groups did claim responsibility for this event.

[flairon]

There is absolutly no bigotry in my post whatsoever. The concept of Jihad has motivated certain groups to go to war or just slaughter innocent people of all faiths including their fellow Muslims. If you don't think that is a poisoness ideology, I really don't know what to say.

At one time, Christians burned people at the stake, are you going to say that wasn't poisoness to humanity and any criticism of the ideology that fostered such behavior is bigotted?

All religion should be outlawed. There isn't any religion that is any less retarded than the other.

[freebirdmac]

Please don't tell me they're going to turn this horrible tragedy into more propaganda for universalism...

What's universalism?

I'm with Kyle. The bigotry and xenophobia is out of hand. You go after the thugs, not the people who simply share a look or religion.

[DanielBeauchamp]

What's universalism?

I'm with Kyle. The bigotry and xenophobia is out of hand. You go after the thugs, not the people who simply share a look or religion.

As I said before, I am against the perpetrators; not the people they happen to belong to.


Wikipedia:

"Universalism in its primary meaning refers to religious, theological, and philosophical concepts with universal ("applying to all") application or applicability."

In a broader sense, it refers to the elimination of distinction between beliefs, customs, individual expression, etc and a gathering of every person into a melting pot of sameness. It's a patently offensive idea, to my mind.

[freebirdmac]

As I said before, I am against the perpetrators; not the people they happen to belong to.


Wikipedia:

"Universalism in its primary meaning refers to religious, theological, and philosophical concepts with universal ("applying to all") application or applicability."

In a broader sense, it refers to the elimination of distinction between beliefs, customs, individual expression, etc and a gathering of every person into a melting pot of sameness. It's a patently offensive idea, to my mind.

Universalism sounds like what many here propose. It goes hand in hand with xenophobia and bigotry.

[DanielBeauchamp]

Universalism sounds like what many here propose. It goes hand in hand with xenophobia and bigotry.

It is certainly not something I propose. haha I am fervently opposed to the herd mentality and grouping everything/everyone together.

It's sort of reflected in my training as well; I dislike pre-made programs for this reason.

[bbsitum]

I'm against allowing Muslims immigration to West because they bring terrorism. Why USA need them. Only 1 from 1000 is terrorist but if we ban 1000 we will ban right one to. I don't hate Muslims and wish them best, no way I wish them dead. Just don't wish them and theirs ninjas wife around me. Can you above all write something clear like this instead of talking round and round. I don’t think all people and religions are same. I would like se Germans, Swede and Japanese around me because they make money trough real manufacturing and have low criminal rates. If we would have manufacturing industry like in Germany and not countless IT and stock brokers we would be capable to have state medical and countless another things.
I LEARNED CLEAR SPEAKING FROM BALKANS POLITICIANS FROM ERLY 90ties AND LATE 80ties. That crew of clear speakers is all dead now. All today politicians talk lot but say nothing.

[DaddyR]

Lots of buzzwords in the media's reporting on this guy.

1. He was a "Christian" eh? What church did he belong to? What does his pastor or priest have to say about it? Do his fellow church members pose a threat? What does his denominaton teach?

2. "Right-wing". Okay, I guess since he shot up a communist youth camp they can go ahead and just assume that much.

3. "Fundamentalist"? Okay, let's see his profession of faith and let everyone judge for themselves. Just because they've made us all agree that Muslims who believe strongly in the fundamentals of THEIR religion go around killing mass numbers of innocents doesn't mean those who call themselves Christian are even remotely familiar with the basic - fundamental - teachings of their religion, much less strongly committed to them.

But of course the lamestream media will never even address those questions. Easier to continue using this tragic horrible incident to further their campaign of hatred and bigotry against all those who follow Jesus Christ. And few people will even have the courage to call them out for it.

[JRT6]

It's just turd turning. One side accuses the other of sterotyping, media manipulation, etc, etc and then uses those same tactics at the first opportunity.

[DaddyR]

It's just turd turning. One side accuses the other of sterotyping, media manipulation, etc, etc and then uses those same tactics at the first opportunity.

The media outlets CHOOSE to allow themselves to be used in this manner. So I hold them fully accountable for their choice of words.

Sometimes even something as simple as punctuation can make all the difference. For example the Drudge Report simply and IMO rightly adds a question mark at the end of the headline saying the perp is a right-wing fundamentalist Christian.

[NYkarate]

All religion should be outlawed. There isn't any religion that is any less retarded than the other.

Thank you for illustrating exactly the type of intollerant bigotry that drives such attacks. The communists believed the same and killed more people than any group in history because of it.

[JRT6]

The media outlets CHOOSE to allow themselves to be used in this manner. So I hold them fully accountable for their choice of words.

Sometimes even something as simple as punctuation can make all the difference. For example the Drudge Report simply and IMO rightly adds a question mark at the end of the headline saying the perp is a right-wing fundamentalist Christian.

I like the Drudge Report. Breitbart too.

NY is right, publicly calling all religions retarded is one of those things your mom told you as a kid that's ok to think stuff like that but don't go around saying it unless you want eveyone thinking you're a dick.

[freebirdmac]

It is certainly not something I propose. haha I am fervently opposed to the herd mentality and grouping everything/everyone together.

It's sort of reflected in my training as well; I dislike pre-made programs for this reason.

Just read these other posts. Pretty scary stuff. Glad you're not with them.

[NYkarate]

I like the Drudge Report. Breitbart too.

NY is right, publicly calling all religions retarded is one of those things your mom told you as a kid that's ok to think stuff like that but don't go around saying it unless you want eveyone thinking you're a dick.

I don't care if you're Christian, Muslim, Atheist or Satanist. If you think you are right and everyone else is stupid, you're arrogant and a fool. The world is far too complex for anyone to claim absolute posession of truth. I have no problem with anyone believing anything, as long as their beliefs don't include the slaugher or persecution of others.

[whatevergirl]

my heart goes out to the people there right now. Some Jihad group is claiming it's only the beginning. Seriously, killing civilians is going to advance your cause? Here's hoping we don't stop with Osama's death and continue to kill off these pricks one by one.

Very sad, indeed. Prayers for all involved.

Seems like there is no end in sight when it comes to this.

[jnwaco]

I don't care if you're Christian, Muslim, Atheist or Satanist. If you think you are right and everyone else is stupid, you're arrogant and a fool. The world is far too complex for anyone to claim absolute posession of truth. I have no problem with anyone believing anything, as long as their beliefs don't include the slaugher or persecution of others.

So, you know for a fact that no person can know absolute truth? Isn't your claim that nobody can know absolute truth an absolute truth claim itself? It is, and therefore it invalidates your own statement, no offense.

IMHO, one can examine the world religions and rule some of them out as having little relative value.

[mslman71]

So, you know for a fact that no person can know absolute truth? Isn't your claim that nobody can know absolute truth an absolute truth claim itself? It is, and therefore it invalidates your own statement, no offense.

IMHO, one can examine the world religions and rule some of them out as having little relative value.

Not if it's a belief. I don't believe he qualified it one way or the other.

[jnwaco]

Not if it's a belief. I don't believe he qualified it one way or the other.

He asserted essentially a truth claim. Otherwise his statement is still devoid of much meaning. What good is a belief if you do not believe it to be true when it comes to religion or epistemology of any sort?