new research: cals in vs. cals out @ Harvard U

[bigcrayon]

ITT people who only read the bold and blindly follow the OP.

[DontBanMeBro123]

OMFG THIS! The teen section < Misc in terms of bodybuilding help. Brb, telling me to eat burger king and not worry about anything, and to just turn into a fat ass powerlifter. Strong WTF.

How is 20g of protein from Burger King different from 20g of protein from tuna? Prove your answer.

[DontBanMeBro123]

good luck with your subway bodybuilding goals in 2011!

since veggies, clean protein, low GI carbs do not matter.

Lol @ clean protein, lol @ low GI

[thefloopist]

Obvious to me. I have never bought into the calories in calories out nonsense.

[Buzz_Lightyear]

"The study participants — nurses, doctors, dentists and veterinarians in the Nurses’ Health Study, Nurses’ Health Study II and the Health Professionals Follow-up Study — were followed for 12 to 20 years. Every two years, they completed very detailed questionnaires about their eating and other habits and current weight."

ok

there's a name for this.

it's called junk science.

[mfitty9000]

Lol @ clean protein, lol @ low GI

lol @ people in this thread, thinking they are smarter then teams of researchers at harvard u

[Ataglance1234]

this

none of them counted the calories, they were only followed every 2 years, and were asked what they ate.

you are an idiot if you believe this.



Cliffs:


The participants were followed for 20 fuking years, and were followed up every 2 years to collect data.

LOL THESE WERE NOT SOME LAB RATS


100% of those people did not count calories

I guarantee my life on it

bump

[DontBanMeBro123]

lol @ people in this thread, thinking they are smarter then teams of researchers at harvard u

Do you really believe that all of those people counted calories for 12 to 20 years? Lmao

They didn't count sh*t, article means nothing


I know it's hard to think logically because you are so dull but try to process what you read and make some inferences about it

[Buzz_Lightyear]

How is 20g of protein from Burger King different from 20g of protein from tuna? Prove your answer.

aside from the fact that the protein from bk also has like 20g of fat with it, and thus an extra 180 cals, there's no difference.

except with regard to micronutrients.

in terms of body composition though cals in vs cals out works just fine til you get real lean and have to start worrying about hormone levels.

[Ataglance1234]

lol @ people in this thread, thinking they are smarter then teams of researchers at harvard u

lol Teams of researchers? Dude they are most likely broscientists college students just like anyone else.

They gather their "data", make their own conclusions, and post them. This does not mean its FACT.

Its a fail experiment from the start.

[The_Australian_Oak]

oh lawd...here comes the sh!t storm

[DontBanMeBro123]

aside from the fact that the protein from bk also has like 20g of fat with it, and thus an extra 180 cals, there's no difference.

except with regard to micronutrients.

in terms of body composition though cals in vs cals out works just fine til you get real lean and have to start worrying about hormone levels.

That's what I mean obviously, disregarding other macros.

Lift heavy and take a multi

[GetBigyo]

lol this has been beaten to death.

What don't people understand about this? Your MACROS need to be in placed also for effects on body comp. Obviously someone who eats ****ing 4000 cals of Hersey Bars opposed to 4000 cals of chicken, rice, veggie, etc. is going to have totally different gains. It's about macros mainly. Not that hard of a concept.

[KuRdiSh]

They're saying macros are important... Like eating 4000 cals of lard a day won't get u swole. Derp

[Jerma]

when are people going to understand that cals in v. cals out holds true depending on how specific you get. the only reason they say that the different types of calories cause your to put on more weight is because those types of carbs lower your metabolism in effect LOWERING YOUR CALS OUT number!! the doctrine still holds true.

same with IIFYM, if you are going to bring up well if you don't have enough low gi carbs well then it's not fitting YOUR macros, hence you are not following the doctrine correctly.

[AsianAesthetics]

cals in vs cals out works just fine til you get real lean and have to start worrying about hormone levels.

explain this

[muruku]

Its just basically saying that its easier to overeat on stuff like chips, fries and fast food rather than the "healthy" stuff like nuts and oats.
Calories in vs Calories out still matter.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hlight=harvard
An article in times on the same study.

[OhioStateBucki]

IIFYM isn't eating junk food all day erry day. If your diet is 70% clean with decent macros, you will be fine. Eating out once a day doesn't matter if the rest of your diet is spot on.

This article doesn't prove ****, other than the fact you can't eat potato chips and drink soda every day and make gains.

Fukking this.

People need to realize IIFYM is such a warped concept now. It doesn't mean eat as much sh*t as you can get away with while hitting your macros. It means eat as much nutrient rich food as you can while still enjoying a very modest amount of unclean food.

[aekest]

Hope its not a repost..I searched.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/19/he...me&ref=general

Cliffs:
*The new research, by five nutrition and public health experts at Harvard University, is by far the most detailed long-term analysis of the factors that influence weight gain, involving 120,877 well-educated men and women who were healthy and not obese at the start of the study. In addition to diet, it has important things to say about exercise, sleep, television watching, smoking and alcohol intake.
*The study participants were followed for 12 to 20 years.
*Conclusion of the study: “What you eat makes quite a difference. Just counting calories won’t matter much unless you look at the kinds of calories you’re eating.”

Thoughts? Reps for good replies.

Tears of joy.
Nutrition section just got pwned.

[hobbes01721]

Still repping OP but editing my entire post.

There's some truth to this but scientifically, this doesn't really add up. The entire point of statistics is to manipulate data in your favor.

1.) these people probably didn't have a great diet to begin with
2.) More TV = more bad food ads? Maybe it's the people who get home from work and plop down on the couch
3.) Maybe they were eating more and then just simply started eating less?
n.) people lie

I'm sure there's still some truth here, but what I'd like to see is to have 2 groups of people; one group eating whatever the hell they want as long as it's under whatever their daily requirement is, and one group eating super strict diets.

[DontBanMeBro123]

Fukking this.

People need to realize IIFYM is such a warped concept now. It doesn't mean eat as much sh*t as you can get away with while hitting your macros. It means eat as much nutrient rich food as you can while still enjoying a very modest amount of unclean food.

No it doesn't. IIFYM means "if it fits your macros" as in eat anything "if it fits your macros"

Tears of joy.
Nutrition section just got pwned.
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No they didn't

[Baba_ghanoush]

Obvious to me. I have never bought into the calories in calories out nonsense.

lol looks to me like you've never even tried it

[Ataglance1234]

Tears of joy.
Nutrition section just got pwned.

lol you are a fuking moron

[Uberknee]

Tears of joy.
Nutrition section just got pwned.

Nutrition section advocates that at a minimum you hit your macros.

[InsideMan]

Lol attach the Harvard name to something and all of a sudden it's the information equivalent of gold.

[itsMoeyy]

What about the scientist that went on the twinkie diet for 4 months and got shredded from 23% to 8% bf.

[DontBanMeBro123]

stop quoting huge ass obama pic

[SimonThePieman]

vague survey is vague. I can't remember what I ate last thursday.

probably because i was drunk because i was drinking **** loads of booze because IIFYM and still getting swole and lean

/partial sarcasm

[Blindead]

There's no way you can measure how many calories someone is taking in by asking them a questionnaire every 2 years. That's a ****ing **** study.

[timestretch]

How is 20g of protein from Burger King different from 20g of protein from tuna? Prove your answer.

you're a fuking idiot. what is the difference between a burger from burger king and a can of tuna? lets see, the carbs from the bun and the saturated fats from how the meat was cooked. the stupidity in this forum astounds me at times. please note that a can of 200g tuna would be about 180-250cals, whilst a burger containing the SAME amount of protein, would have anywhere from 400-600cals. thats the difference between eating CLEAN and eating DIRTY