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07-22-2011, 09:45 AM #31
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07-22-2011, 09:48 AM #32
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07-22-2011, 09:52 AM #33
Entropy is quantity, it's not something that's approached. I'm not sure what "it" is (to which you are referring).
I read a book some years ago called something like "After Time Ends" or something like that. It was about the "death" of the universe, and one of the issues at hand was that all the molecules in everything in the universe are moving away from each other as they cool, so that's making everything get bigger in relation to themselves and each other.
The seashells are explained because they wouldn't have dissolved or petrified over the several millions years required by expansion as opposed to hundreds of millions of years required by Pangaea.2 + 2 = 5 (for extremely large values of 2)
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07-22-2011, 09:57 AM #34
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07-22-2011, 10:05 AM #35
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07-22-2011, 10:10 AM #36
Out of curiosity, any particular reason why this one stands out as a better concept than those that are more readily agreed upon? Or are you just saying it's an alternative without prejudice? I believe you cited inconsistency with tectonic theory (Pangea) as why it hasn't been accepted... Why is this the case? Why does accretion serve as a better, or even orthogonal explanation? It seems there's a critical element here that I'm missing.
2 + 2 = 5 (for extremely large values of 2)
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07-22-2011, 10:55 AM #37
I can't explain it as well as those videos that I linked. It has to do with Earth's age and how it serves as a good explanation as to the extinction of the dinosaurs, where the continents are now, why the oceans are the shape they are, and the aforementioned scriptural consistency. The animations make everything understandable for someone like me who has so many reading comprehension problems.
EDIT - I don't want to give you the impression that the animations make any connections with scriptures. That's purely my own connection after watching them and reading about it. All that "firmament between the waters above and the waters below" stuff.
Also, as far as I'm concerned, it's all bunk, the whole thing. No one knows what really happened, but to me the expansion theory makes more sense than continental drift."Blessed be the Lord my rock, who trains my hands for war and my fingers for battle." - Psalm 144:1
Also, taxation is theft.
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07-22-2011, 11:55 AM #38
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07-22-2011, 11:58 AM #39
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07-22-2011, 12:00 PM #40
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07-22-2011, 12:05 PM #41
This is the best answer yet. Sea creatures need sea water. Thus a place without sea water would kill a sea creature. That's why none of the stuff in the shells is alive now.
This is almost as good as the middle school kid that explained why ice floats in water by equating it to a frozen turkey and a pond.
I digress . . .
There are a lot of shells in KY too. After a big rain there's a place where my son and I go to look for shell fossils.Simp's Back: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=165133671&page=1
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07-22-2011, 12:12 PM #42
LOL, it's that the Bible isn't to be read literally, it's parable, myth and metaphor. Reading it literally loses most of the value of the book imho. I'm not afraid to meet God, in fact I think I see and talk to him each day. The big difference is you think God is to be feared and to me it's a relationship of mutual love. I like my relationship with God a lot better than your way of relating to God.
Blessings!Was friends with Methuselah
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07-22-2011, 12:13 PM #43
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07-22-2011, 12:15 PM #44
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07-22-2011, 12:21 PM #45
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07-22-2011, 12:34 PM #46
Define truth? I don't understand why folks insist that the Bible is a science and history book. Where did I ever say I didn't believe in Scripture? It's not whether I believe it's how I believe and I don't twist and turn as I go through the book at all. The Bible is about a broken relationship between man and God. The story isn't told literally but metaphorically. I don't draw lines, it's the other way of looking that draws lines.
The folks that demand literal interpretation have a lot of areas they have to gloss over or ignore because the Bible is chalk full of testimony and counter-testimony. I won't go into that because I don't want to give atheist anymore ammo than they already have.
The thing about atheists and fundamentalists is they are both of the same mind "fact fundamentalism", I'm not like that nor are any of my mentors.Was friends with Methuselah
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07-22-2011, 12:36 PM #47
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07-22-2011, 12:43 PM #48
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I laugh at the word athiest O.T.L.
You have to believe in something in order to not believe in it.
So you have to believe that god exist in order to not believe in Him.
its a catch 22Nothing can stop the man with the right mental attitude from achieving his goal; nothing on earth can help the man with the wrong mental attitude. – Thomas Jefferson
Be yourself; Everyone else is already taken. - Oscar Wilde
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07-22-2011, 12:49 PM #49
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07-22-2011, 12:52 PM #50
Your logic confuses me. How would I have to believe in something to not believe in something? Perhaps I have to believe that you believe in something in order to form an opinion on whether or not I also believe or disbelieve. But I don't think that's the same as what you're saying.
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07-22-2011, 12:58 PM #51
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07-22-2011, 01:09 PM #52
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Something different.
People say that they dont believe in God because they cant see Him. Right?
Well, I cant see the wind, but I know it exists.
Ive felt the wind
I've heard the wind and
I've seen what the wind can do
but I've never seen wind.
the same goes for God.
Nothing can stop the man with the right mental attitude from achieving his goal; nothing on earth can help the man with the wrong mental attitude. – Thomas Jefferson
Be yourself; Everyone else is already taken. - Oscar Wilde
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07-22-2011, 01:31 PM #53
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07-22-2011, 01:46 PM #54
LOL! Yeah I know you think God is a liar and doesn't talk straight and that you can pick and choose which parts of His Word to believe. You already know what I think of that notion.
"Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom." Condemning those who fear Him is the beginning of something else I suppose.
I like MY way far better than yours, of course. Sad that you felt it necessary to denigrate me personally and my faith... BTW He told me you were wrong.
I guess we'll get it all sorted out in the end. Hopefuly you won't be begging me for a drink of water!Overweight and arrogant
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07-22-2011, 02:03 PM #55
I won't be asking you for any water, trust me on that much. LOL
Where did I say God was a liar? It's you who thinks that if it's not literal God is a liar, not me. And you're the one who started running down my belief system first.
I'll just live by this verse thank you
2 John 1:6 (NCV)
And love means living the way God commanded us to live. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is this: Live a life of love.
Have a loving and blessed day.Last edited by Old-Time-Lifter; 07-22-2011 at 02:16 PM.
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07-22-2011, 04:25 PM #56
After a little bit of research I was not surprised to find that there is no evidence of any significant change in the radius of the earth, temperature of the Earth's core (constant radius, increasing density assumption) and no evidence of any changes in the earth's moment of inertia (all to the contrary, actually). On the other hand there is measurable evidence of the effects of tectonic plate migration & impact of the geological features of the Earth in the past as well those that occurring at this very moment (and are being measured). The accretion rate to produce such a massive change is inconsistent with anything we've observed directly or indirectly through geological evidence (short of causing cataclysmic destruction).
I have no problem with any theory as long as the theory is consistent with something that can be measured; something that ties into at least the most basic of observables or laws. Otherwise I have no preconception or prejudice about what the answer should be.2 + 2 = 5 (for extremely large values of 2)
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07-22-2011, 07:04 PM #57
The same evidence of the continents moving can be explained by the Earth's expansion as well. Same as the plates moving. The evidence is there, but it's like the evidence about whether or not G-d exists because you can start with either conclusion and work your way backward.
My stance on this issue is a weird one, I'll grant. I don't believe any of this construct is reality anyway, so all the ideas about time, dimension, space, vaccuum, dark matter, sub-atomic particles...don't matter too much to me. They're interesting in trying to understand how everything works with everything else, but...it's in the same ballpark as figuring out Santa's shoe size."Blessed be the Lord my rock, who trains my hands for war and my fingers for battle." - Psalm 144:1
Also, taxation is theft.
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07-22-2011, 07:14 PM #58
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07-22-2011, 07:15 PM #59
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