Recently i got blood work from my doctor (because of unfulfilled wish for children) and most parameters were ok. BUT
prolactin was higher than normal: 26.8 ng/ml (normal is between
1.6 and 18.8)
As i am not taking any supps or meds which are known to raise prolactin, i googled a bit and on wikipedia i read that high protein consume also can raise prolactin. And prolactin is very BAD for fertility. Never heard such things before. What do you think about this. And another question: Do you think NOW L-Dopa could control these moderately increased prolactin levels and therefore raise fertility?
Other question: Which supps are assumed to be good for this aspect (higher spermatogenesis)? I am thinking of trying Act Xtreme / Triazole or BioForge V3. Will this thing be positively influenced?
There was another parameter in my blood work which was higher than normal:
T 4 (1.87 ng/dl). Normal is 0.93-1.70, BUT
T3 and TSH basal were within the normal ranges! I am not taking any fat burner at the moment (only TTA), no thyriodal or somethig like that. Why is only this value then higher than normal?
Have my next doctors meeting tomorrow but i am interested in talking about this issue. Would be glad someone has the same interest.
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07-17-2011, 05:35 AM #1
Starting some scientific discussion concerning male fertility, supps and bloodwork
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07-17-2011, 05:48 AM #2
A few ideas to explore - http://www.bastyrcenter.org/content/view/595/
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07-17-2011, 06:54 AM #3
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07-17-2011, 06:57 AM #4
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07-17-2011, 07:09 AM #5
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20078516
^^^Mind you, just 200mg/day
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20348942
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19501822
^^^increased sperm count/lowered prolactin
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21388887
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18287793
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/549254Olympus Labs/Lyfestyle Research & Development (R&D) Director
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07-17-2011, 07:13 AM #6
Every single time I think im over Bioforge V3, you crop up and make me fall in love with it again. Cant you just let me move on? (Or at least wait until September when im going to be financially stable to buy two bottles?)
If I see more journals/articles proving the effectiveness of your beloved Bioforge V3 I will start dishing out negs to you AND the rest of the wise customers you so highly cherish.
This is NOT a threat, its a PROMISE!
Proprietary blended companies' worst nightmare.
Oh well. Money doesn't grow on trees [although apparently, it does grow on pond weeds]. - NO HYPE
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07-17-2011, 07:47 AM #7
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07-17-2011, 07:49 AM #8
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07-17-2011, 07:52 AM #9
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07-17-2011, 07:59 AM #10
I think I would go for around 50-75mgmg of zinc. Not sure how much the new Bioforge would contain but Im assuming its definitely around 50mg mark.
As for the amount of copper you would require as your zinc intake increases, im not too sure. I will post links if I can find them.Proprietary blended companies' worst nightmare.
Oh well. Money doesn't grow on trees [although apparently, it does grow on pond weeds]. - NO HYPE
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07-17-2011, 08:04 AM #11
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07-17-2011, 08:11 AM #12
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07-17-2011, 08:11 AM #13
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07-17-2011, 08:54 AM #14
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07-17-2011, 02:51 PM #15
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All 3 of those supplements would help.
Maca increasing sperm count, motility and seminal amount:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20090350
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11753476
Mucuna, improves semen quality:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18955292
Mucuna, as a restorative and invigorating agent for infertile men:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18001713
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21459537
restores infertility and increases testosterone, lh while reduces prolactin:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18973898Matt Cahill
www.DrivenSports.com
www.drivensports.co.uk
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12-20-2011, 11:09 AM #16
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12-20-2011, 12:41 PM #17
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12-20-2011, 01:55 PM #18
other reasons could be everything concerning lifestyle/nutrition/supplementation but cannot be concretized. i will post the changes in the next days when the letter with the analysis arrives. today i only skimmed through it. the most impressive part was in fact the improvement in motility. as i have seen a lot of other great benefits from bioforge v3 in these weeks i believe everything could be possible. to cut the matter short BFv3 is besides Triazole the only natural supplement i tested whose effects cannot be explained with a placebo effect. these two are really the most effective supps ever bought.
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12-22-2011, 11:12 AM #19
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12-22-2011, 11:56 AM #20
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12-23-2011, 01:54 PM #21
Unfortunately i still haven't got my final results from the doc but what i can tell you today is what BFv3 did to my training. I finished week 7 on that stuff and on all major lifts i went up approximately 20 lbs. My body weight went up 10 lbs but there is also some fat and water included (the last weeks my diet was not very clean). Even if i gained only 4 lbs of lbm this would be a respectable amount in that short period of time. Every night i have very nice dreams and through the day i feel i have lots of energy. I will come back here when the urologists results arrive and report to you.
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12-26-2011, 02:13 PM #22
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01-07-2012, 06:01 AM #23
Finally i got the results from my last sperm analysis. After the first one in July i started taking supplements which are known to have a positive effect on fertility. There was a slight improvement in the second SA but not too impressing. When the third one was made i was approx. 6 weeks on BioForge. I am not sure if the drastical improvement compared to the second one is solely due to BF, but it was the only thing i remember what was newly added besides Acetylcystein. Now my BF run is over and i switched to a SERM for the next 3 months. In April or May i will come back with BF of which i lately ordered a big amount.
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01-08-2012, 09:13 AM #24
SERM in my case: CLOMID
Just another link for whos interested: http://www.ivfnewsdirect.com/?p=320
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01-09-2012, 02:08 PM #25
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01-09-2012, 02:41 PM #26
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We have had 3 (5 in total) (I am one of them) more people get their wives pregnant while using Triazole as a part of stack that addresses all issues that would prevent a pregnancy. The other 2 are members here and Ill let them know of this thread. If they want to post anything they can. Otherwise Ill just give the stack that I had used and therefor recommended to them.
3 Caps Triazole per day
1-3grams of Mucuna (20%) per day
4000-5000iu Vit D
1-2 grams of extra MacaMatt Cahill
www.DrivenSports.com
www.drivensports.co.uk
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01-09-2012, 02:49 PM #27
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01-09-2012, 04:29 PM #28
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01-10-2012, 02:28 AM #29
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01-10-2012, 08:27 PM #30
Are you actually taking the folic acid dosage that the study recommends? Look again at the dosage, you can't buy that type of dosage in your average store, very few people make it, and you have to special order it. It's 5 mg, and that is what makes the difference in both sperm count and motility. The USDA is 400mcg, so the recommended dosage is 12 times the daily allowance. It's very unlikely you would have to increase your zinc intake if you already supplement, because 15 mg is actually a relatively average dose. But the folic acid is critical. Warning, it will raise your libido as well, and wil probably improve your weight lifting.
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