SkinnyPastyNerd's controversial (but true) opinions:

[SkinnyPastyNerd]

1) The 6 meals a day thing is bull****. There's no evidence supporting it.

2) Supplements are bull****. Very few are proven to work and they only ammount to 5% of your total progress regardless. If you really must be an idiot and waste your mommy's money, just get creatine, and a multivitamin if your diet isn't on check (which it should be, anyway)

3) Bodybuilding splits are complete **** for a begginer. Maybe start one when you're a decently lean 220 lbs (aka, low-intermediate). Until then, just stick with linear strength training.

[joebrosef]

1) The 6 meals a day thing is bull****. There's no evidence supporting it.

2) Supplements are bull****. Very few are proven to work and they only ammount to 5% of your total progress regardless. If you really must be an idiot and waste your mommy's money, just get creatine, and a multivitamin if your diet isn't on check (which it should be, anyway)

3) Bodybuilding splits are complete **** for a begginer. Maybe start one when you're a decently lean 220 lbs (aka, low-intermediate). Until then, just stick with linear strength training.

1. correct
2. correct
3. Not true. Splits are also good for a beginner. Gains can come from anything, its prob a personal preference. Alot of pro bodybuilders started off with a split routine, also many jacked guys.

[TheNaturalEdge]

1) The 6 meals a day thing is bull****. There's no evidence supporting it.

2) Supplements are bull****. Very few are proven to work and they only ammount to 5% of your total progress regardless. If you really must be an idiot and waste your mommy's money, just get creatine, and a multivitamin if your diet isn't on check (which it should be, anyway)

3) Bodybuilding splits are complete **** for a begginer. Maybe start one when you're a decently lean 220 lbs (aka, low-intermediate). Until then, just stick with linear strength training.

1. If you can eat all the food or calories in 3 meals instead of 6 go for it.
2. Supplements aid a good diet, so them by themselves are useless.
3. All workouts are different for everyone. Some people may respond better to a workout such as yours or some nay benefit from a mixture of techniques.

[SkinnyPastyNerd]

I've never seen a natural begginer trainee suceed on a split, especially better than one on a full body linear routine.

[BestProgress]

1) The 6 meals a day thing is bull****. There's no evidence supporting it.

2) Supplements are bull****. Very few are proven to work and they only ammount to 5% of your total progress regardless. If you really must be an idiot and waste your mommy's money, just get creatine, and a multivitamin if your diet isn't on check (which it should be, anyway)

3) Bodybuilding splits are complete **** for a begginer. Maybe start one when you're a decently lean 220 lbs (aka, low-intermediate). Until then, just stick with linear strength training.

I do splits now started in my 3rd month of full body training. Progress is alot better. 4 bodyspilt 1 day of rest.


chest/tri , back/bi/abdominals/calves, rest , shoulders/traps/neck(Its a form of training),

quads/hams/obliques/Calves


depending on the day I train my core I will emphasize more on obliques/or abdominals. Its almost the same thing but a few different exercizes.

[FFX]

I diet properly, and have had trouble gaining weight my whole entire life.

I bought Muscle Juice, and i've gained 6kg while on it, so for me, supplements work.

[MrB1g]

I diet properly, and have had trouble gaining weight my whole entire life.

I bought Muscle Juice, and i've gained 6kg while on it, so for me, supplements work.

It's a ****ing weight gainer. Aka a lot of calories. Putting on 6kg had nothing to do with taking that supp, it had to do with the extra cals that you could've got easily from food sources.



@ OP only thing I disagree with is 220lb's lean natural being 'low-intermediate.' Plenty of people won't even reach that natty.

[Devin_Galicia]

How the hell is 220 pounds a low intermediate? I could compete on stage and possibly place if I was that big and lean

[thehybridpyro]

Strong clash of definitions
An opinion is an opinion, A fact can be trueor false, but not an opinion.

Although I agree with OP on most points, aside from the weight, seems rather arbirtary.
5% of progress directly from supps seems like a good guess

[SkinnyPastyNerd]

How the hell is 220 pounds a low intermediate? I could compete on stage and possibly place if I was that big and lean

You could 'compete on stage and possibly place' at any weight. Ever heard of weight divisions?

[SkinnyPastyNerd]

Strong clash of definitions
An opinion is an opinion, A fact can be trueor false, but not an opinion.

Although I agree with OP on most points, aside from the weight, seems rather arbirtary.
5% of progress directly from supps seems like a good guess

Yeah, I just noticed that.
I should have titled the topic 'SPN's controversial (but true) facts:'

[Devin_Galicia]

You could 'compete on stage and possibly place' at any weight. Ever heard of weight divisions?

Yep I sure have. Care to explain your true opinion on why 220 is barely touching intermediate?

[SkinnyPastyNerd]

Yep I sure have. Care to explain your true opinion on why 220 is barely touching intermediate?

A lean 220 is about the genetic limit for the average Joe.
Which means decades of progress ahead when you start cycling and get into advanced bodybuilding.

[Devin_Galicia]

A lean 220 is about the genetic limit for the average Joe.
Which means decades of progress ahead when you start cycling and get into advanced bodybuilding.

Your pretty smart, so Im sure you know its all relative to height. 220 is different for someone like me and someone like you. Some of the top natural bodybuilders for my height top in at 190-200. I believe they are pretty advanced.

[FFX]

It's a ****ing weight gainer. Aka a lot of calories. Putting on 6kg had nothing to do with taking that supp, it had to do with the extra cals that you could've got easily from food sources.



@ OP only thing I disagree with is 220lb's lean natural being 'low-intermediate.' Plenty of people won't even reach that natty.

A weight gainer is still a supplement regardless. I would have to like eat all day if i didn't take it, and i don't have time to eat all day. I eat as much as i can, when i can. But otherwise i have to take a 'supplement'. If OP was referring to different supplements, then sorry for not understanding him correctly. There are a LOT of different sorts of supplements out there. Considering a weight gainer still helps to gain muscle in the gym, i felt it was related enough to post about it.

[SkinnyPastyNerd]

A weight gainer is still a supplement regardless. I would have to like eat all day if i didn't take it, and i don't have time to eat all day. I eat as much as i can, when i can. But otherwise i have to take a 'supplement'. If OP was referring to different supplements, then sorry for not understanding him correctly. There are a LOT of different sorts of supplements out there. Considering a weight gainer still helps to gain muscle in the gym, i felt it was related enough to post about it.

Like I said, if you need something like a weight gainer, it's because your diet isn't on point.
Which it should be, and you shouldn't have to resort to terrible, sugar filled and low quality protein gainers (aka all of them)

[BestProgress]

A lean 220 is about the genetic limit for the average Joe.
Which means decades of progress ahead when you start cycling and get into advanced bodybuilding.

I cant even reach 200lbs without bieng a bit bulky even with years of expeirence. Would need to roid age 20+ because by that time i would probobly reach my genetic potencial and need a small edge to get me lean. And i dont plan on doing so. Bodybuilding isnt everything to me but I sure as hell but alot of dedication into it. Inbetween my meals I do my studies. and I only need to lift 6times a week for 2hrs

If I was 5'8 200lbs lean is a possbility.

[SkinnyPastyNerd]

I cant even reach 200lbs without bieng a bit bulky even with years of expeirence. Would need to roid age 20+ because by that time i would probobly reach my genetic potencial and need a small edge to get me lean. And i dont plan on doing so. Bodybuilding isnt everything to me but I sure as hell but alot of dedication into it. Inbetween my meals I do my studies. and I only need to lift 6times a week for 2hrs

If I was 5'8 200lbs lean is a possbility.

I think lifting 6 times a week for 2 hours has something to do with you being 140lbs and skinnyfat.

[Zincton]

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. No, I gained 40lbs my first year of lifting off a 5 day split that my dad made for me (used to be a bodybuilder).

[jakestorm]

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. No, I gained 40lbs my first year of lifting off a 5 day split that my dad made for me (used to be a bodybuilder).

FUUUUUU ur genetics...

the only supplement that wouldn't fit into ur definition as necessary is whey protein.

Other supps that i take are multi + fish oil..

im not a fan of all the pre-workout gimmicks and whatnot either

[Zincton]

FUUUUUU ur genetics...

the only supplement that wouldn't fit into ur definition as necessary is whey protein.

Other supps that i take are multi + fish oil..

im not a fan of all the pre-workout gimmicks and whatnot either

Same here, i don't like supps either tbh, made all my gains w/o em. Once your on them you get phsychologically "stuck" to them and you'll feel like crap if you don't take them and your workout is wasted and stuff and I don't want to mess with em. My head is already ****ed up enough.

Btw in 5 day split, 72 sets per muscle group and 50-60 for smaller ones come at me bro.

Defies all logic but my dad sure as hell knew what he was doing

[SkinnyPastyNerd]

A couple more I remembered from reading typical Teen BB'ing broscience and stupidity;


4) You do NOT need, nor should change routines frequently. **** like 'fooling the muscles' is complete horse ****.

5) Creatine loading is not optimal and certainly not necessary.

[jakestorm]

I think lifting 6 times a week for 2 hours has something to do with you being 140lbs and skinnyfat.

lol.

But to the OP I have made some great strength gains by simply doing a 5 day split consisting of:

Chest/ Forearms
Back/Abs
Shoulders/Traps
Legs/Abs
Arms

I also added 5x5 variations for my benchpress, squat and deadlift. I have never gone into a strength program but I am definately more strength than size atm...

[jakestorm]

I think lifting 6 times a week for 2 hours has something to do with you being 140lbs and skinnyfat.

A couple more I remembered from reading typical Teen BB'ing broscience and stupidity;


4) You do NOT need, nor should change routines frequently. **** like 'fooling the muscles' is complete horse ****.

5) Creatine loading is not optimal and certainly not necessary.

4) Thats true (From my personal experience) I have been sticking with this routine for months and I am still making linear progress

[mpelto]

1) The 6 meals a day thing is bull****. There's no evidence supporting it.

2) Supplements are bull****. Very few are proven to work and they only ammount to 5% of your total progress regardless. If you really must be an idiot and waste your mommy's money, just get creatine, and a multivitamin if your diet isn't on check (which it should be, anyway)

3) Bodybuilding splits are complete **** for a begginer. Maybe start one when you're a decently lean 220 lbs (aka, low-intermediate). Until then, just stick with linear strength training.

1) K

2) Exactly 5%?!?! are you sure it isn't 6.2%?

3) You hear that Franco Columbu stick to starting strength because you're only 185 you ****ing small ass pussy.

[SkinnyPastyNerd]

3) You hear that Franco Columbu stick to starting strength because you're only 185 you ****ing small ass pussy.

I like the irony in this post, considering Columbu was a powerlifter.

[jakestorm]

1) K

2) Exactly 5%?!?! are you sure it isn't 6.2%?

3) You hear that Franco Columbu stick to starting strength because you're only 185 you ****ing small ass pussy.

hes 275..

[mpelto]

I like the irony in this post, considering Columbu was a powerlifter.

Yeah, in Pumping Iron he was definitely using demm derr pling routines to get ready for Mr.O. Just saying not everyone is 6'6" brah....

hes 275..

Columbu competed at 180.

[SkinnyPastyNerd]

Where did I mention powerlifting routines?

[BestProgress]

4) Thats true (From my personal experience) I have been sticking with this routine for months and I am still making linear progress

if thats your progress ok

I think lifting 6 times a week for 2 hours has something to do with you being 140lbs and skinnyfat.

I do dragonflys,leg lifts with peak form

My deadlift is 265,bench 160,110press, and squat 210.

My calorie intake is 3500

I wonder why your in the red and for one I dont plan on cutting and bieng 130lbs lean. It means nothing to me until I have put up some good muscle mass.




brb bieng 120lbs at 5'3 not even having lifted and having good build from climbing,swimming,footbal