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    water vs milk for post workout shake

    ive seen many people on variuos sites saying that you shouldnt take your post workout shake with milk and instead with water because your body will absorb it fast unlike milk which takes longer to digest

    anyone here who has actually tried which has the best results
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    Originally Posted by nbedoya View Post
    ive seen many people on variuos sites saying that you shouldnt take your post workout shake with milk and instead with water because your body will absorb it fast unlike milk which takes longer to digest

    anyone here who has actually tried which has the best results
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    IIFYM

    ignore that about digestion time. eat before a workout
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    pre workout is more important than post workout...


    post workout shake is rather pointless.
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    Originally Posted by PaynESTER View Post
    pre workout is more important than post workout...


    post workout shake is rather pointless.
    this. you wanna get some quick carbs though to keep your body in anabolic stag
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    Originally Posted by woahhh View Post
    this. you wanna get some quick carbs though to keep your body in anabolic stag
    dude are you trying to troll me?


    the insulin boost prior to your workout will still be going long after training ...so there is no point in eating more carbs after your workout.
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    Originally Posted by PaynESTER View Post
    dude are you trying to troll me?


    the insulin boost prior to your workout will still be going long after training ...so there is no point in eating more carbs after your workout.
    yes you fuk you should be getting quick digesting carbs after a workout
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    Originally Posted by woahhh View Post
    yes you fuk you should be getting quick digesting carbs after a workout
    "A quote by Alan Aragon states: "Properly done preworkout nutrition EASILY elevates insulin above and beyond the maximal threshold seen to inhibit muscle protein breakdown. This insulin elevation resulting from the preworkout meal can persist long after your resistance training bout is done. Therefore, thinking you need to spike anything is only the result of neglecting your preW nutrition" "

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    Originally Posted by PaynESTER View Post
    "A quote by Alan Aragon states: "Properly done preworkout nutrition EASILY elevates insulin above and beyond the maximal threshold seen to inhibit muscle protein breakdown. This insulin elevation resulting from the preworkout meal can persist long after your resistance training bout is done. Therefore, thinking you need to spike anything is only the result of neglecting your preW nutrition" "

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    Originally Posted by woahhh View Post
    tl;dr. aragon nuthuggers got dam it
    carbs are essential post workout are u that dumb
    let me ask you this skinny buddy

    what is YOUR reason for eating carbs post workout?
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    Originally Posted by woahhh View Post
    the whey will digest the same speed no matter what it is mixed with .................................
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    Originally Posted by PaynESTER View Post
    let me ask you this skinny buddy

    what is YOUR reason for eating carbs post workout?
    to replace glycogen in the muscles used during a workout
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    Originally Posted by woahhh View Post
    to replace glycogen in the muscles used during a workout
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    Originally Posted by woahhh View Post
    to replace glycogen in the muscles used during a workout
    loool

    thats not even the reason you would take carbs post workout...

    its to boost insulin.


    you get plenty of replenishing of the glycogen with all the carbs you eat through out the day
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    Originally Posted by PaynESTER View Post
    loool

    thats not even the reason you would take carbs post workout...

    its to boost insulin.


    you get plenty of replenishing of the glycogen with all the carbs you eat through out the day
    after workout is the best time to replenish glycogen why would you wait to replinish it
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    Originally Posted by LiveToEat View Post
    IIFYM

    ignore that about digestion time. eat before a workout
    Originally Posted by musclefreak69 View Post
    does not matter
    Originally Posted by PaynESTER View Post
    pre workout is more important than post workout...


    post workout shake is rather pointless.
    Originally Posted by woahhh View Post
    this. you wanna get some quick carbs though to keep your body in anabolic stag
    Originally Posted by PaynESTER View Post
    dude are you trying to troll me?


    the insulin boost prior to your workout will still be going long after training ...so there is no point in eating more carbs after your workout.
    Originally Posted by woahhh View Post
    yes you fuk you should be getting quick digesting carbs after a workout
    Originally Posted by PaynESTER View Post
    "A quote by Alan Aragon states: "Properly done preworkout nutrition EASILY elevates insulin above and beyond the maximal threshold seen to inhibit muscle protein breakdown. This insulin elevation resulting from the preworkout meal can persist long after your resistance training bout is done. Therefore, thinking you need to spike anything is only the result of neglecting your preW nutrition" "

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    Originally Posted by woahhh View Post
    tl;dr. aragon nuthuggers got dam it
    carbs are essential post workout are u that dumb
    Originally Posted by PaynESTER View Post
    let me ask you this skinny buddy

    what is YOUR reason for eating carbs post workout?
    Originally Posted by woahhh View Post
    to replace glycogen in the muscles used during a workout
    Originally Posted by PaynESTER View Post
    loool

    thats not even the reason you would take carbs post workout...

    its to boost insulin.


    you get plenty of replenishing of the glycogen with all the carbs you eat through out the day
    Originally Posted by woahhh View Post
    after workout is the best time to replenish glycogen why would you wait to replinish it

    Lololololololololol. woah, you do not know what you're talking about. PaynESTER is correct.

    Originally Posted by alan aragon View Post
    Here, I'll help you...........

    The postexercise "anabolic window" is a highly misused & abused concept. Preworkout nutrition all but cancels the urgency, unless you're an endurance athlete with multiple glycogen-depleting events in a single day. Getting down to brass tacks, a relatively recent study (Power et al. 2009) showed that a 45g dose of whey protein isolate takes appx 50 minutes to cause blood AA levels to peak. Resulting insulin levels, which peaked at 40 minutes after ingestion, remained at elevations known to max out the inhibition of muscle protein breakdown (15-30 mU/L) for 120 minutes after ingestion. This dose takes 3 hours for insulin & AA levels to return to baseline from the point of ingestion. The inclusion of carbs to this dose would cause AA & insulin levels to peak higher & stay elevated above baseline even longer.

    So much for the anabolic peephole & the urgency to down AAs during your weight training workout; they are already seeping into circulation (& will continue to do so after your training bout is done). Even in the event that a preworkout meal is skipped, the anabolic effect of the postworkout meal is increased as a supercompensatory response (Deldicque et al, 2010). Moving on, another recent study (Staples et al, 2010) found that a substantial dose of carbohydrate (50g maltodextrin) added to 25g whey protein was unable to further increase postexercise net muscle protein balance compared to the protein dose without carbs. Again, this is not to say that adding carbs at this point is counterproductive, but it certainly doesn't support the idea that you must get your lightning-fast postexercise carb orgy for optimal results.

    To add to this... Why has the majority of longer-term research failed to show any meaningful differences in nutrient timing relative to the resistance training bout? It's likely because the body is smarter than we give it credit for. Most people don't know that as a result of a single training bout, the receptivity of muscle to protein dosing can persist for at least 24 hours: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21289204

    More from earlier in the thread:

    Here's what you're not seeming to grasp: the "windows" for taking advantage of nutrient timing are not little peepholes. They're more like bay windows of a mansion. You're ignoring just how long the anabolic effects are of a typical mixed meal. Depending on the size of a meal, it takes a good 1-2 hours for circulating substrate levels to peak, and it takes a good 3-6 hours (or more) for everythng to drop back down to baseline.

    You're also ignoring the fact that the anabolic effects of a meal are maxed out at much lower levels than typical meals drive insulin & amino acids up to. Furthermore, you're also ignoring the body's ability of anabolic (& fat-oxidative) supercompensation when forced to work in the absence of fuels. So, metaphorically speaking, our physiology basically has the universe mapped out and you're thinking it needs to be taught addition & subtraction.


    "During Lifting You deplete most of your glycogen stores."

    Originally Posted by snorkelman View Post
    Let's assume for sake of argument that this ^^ is accurate. Guess what? The body is really amazing, because it immediately begins replentishing glycogen after a workout even if you don't eat anything.

    This graph shows how the body replentishes glycogen on own (in a 2 hour period post exercise with no (zero) food or supplements



    ^^ After 2 hours of passive recovery without caloric intake, muscle glycogen increased by 22.2 +/- 6.8 and 14.2 +/- 2.5 mmol/kg wet wt in the I-70 and I-35 trials, respectively.


    See, Muscle glycogenolysis during differing intensities of weight-resistance exercise. Robergs RA,et al. J Appl Physiol. 1991 Apr;70(4):1700-6.

    Now, if you are an endurance athlete who needs to compete again with the same glycogen-depleted muscles LATER THAT SAME DAY (before the body replentishes glycogen on its own) then perhaps you may be in a narrow group where high GI carbs may benefit you.
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    Originally Posted by nbedoya View Post
    ive seen many people on variuos sites saying that you shouldnt take your post workout shake with milk and instead with water because your body will absorb it fast unlike milk which takes longer to digest

    anyone here who has actually tried which has the best results
    Run skim milk, the problem with whey proteins and the main reason i stay away from protein powders is because your basically ingesting denatured milk at a poor quality. If you mix skim milk with your powder, not only are you getting the actual "whey" benefits but your also getting it in its purest form. (and theres no fat*)
    But id strongly suggest eating pre training, do both you'll notice a big difference.
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    Originally Posted by peanut-butter View Post
    Lololololololololol. woah, you do not know what you're talking about. PaynESTER is correct.





    "During Lifting You deplete most of your glycogen stores."
    so what do you eat post workout nothing??? I usually get a banana or 2 and a double scoop of whey with low fat mulk
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    Originally Posted by woahhh View Post
    so what do you eat post workout nothing??? I usually get a banana or 2 and a double scoop of whey with low fat mulk
    i dont eat anything pre workout either.


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    Originally Posted by joebrosef View Post
    i dont eat anything pre workout either.


    oh noez im gunna go catabowling.
    wot lol trolls pls go
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    Originally Posted by woahhh View Post
    so what do you eat post workout nothing??? I usually get a banana or 2 and a double scoop of whey with low fat mulk
    Straight after my workout? Nothing. I eat when I'm hungry, which is typically maybe an hour after I finish my workout.
    Originally Posted by joebrosef View Post
    i dont eat anything pre workout either.


    oh noez im gunna go catabowling.
    Originally Posted by woahhh View Post
    wot lol trolls pls go
    Basically, joe is implying that you are worrying about things, that in reality don't mean sh|t.
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    i eat after my workout for the fact that im just hungry..not because i need it.

    and i make my giant protein shake thats it.
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    Originally Posted by nbedoya View Post
    ive seen many people on variuos sites saying that you shouldnt take your post workout shake with milk and instead with water because your body will absorb it fast unlike milk which takes longer to digest

    anyone here who has actually tried which has the best results
    havent yet
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    I use milk purely because it adds more calories
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