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    Question Are BCAA's during intermittent fasting a huge part of the diet?

    I think leangains said to take BCAA's post workout. I havn't been taking them. Will not taking BCAA's before workouts kill my results?
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    Originally Posted by 208-need-175 View Post
    I think leangains said to take BCAA's post workout. I havn't been taking them. Will not taking BCAA's before workouts kill my results?
    i would say that bcaa's play a huge role in anti-catabolism. are you doing fasted workouts?
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    No, BCAAs are a waste of money.

    People who say otherwise are either trying to sell them to you or people who've been suckered into it by the industry.

    IF or otherwise, it's cheaper and smarter to get your protein (amino acids) from whole food - or honestly even whey if you need something quick and convenient.
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    Originally Posted by msm00b View Post
    No, BCAAs are a waste of money.
    alot of people doing fasted workouts/cardio would disagree
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    Question

    Originally Posted by msm00b View Post
    No, BCAAs are a waste of money.
    so i'm good taking in 1600 calories with protein ratio of 1g/lb body weight after my fasted workouts? (cutting btw)

    My workouts take place during hour 16-17 of the fast so I technically don't eating for 17-18 hours. Is that okay?
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    Originally Posted by Delgod View Post
    alot of people doing fasted workouts/cardio would disagree
    Then they would be wrong.
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    Originally Posted by msm00b View Post
    Then they would be wrong.
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    Originally Posted by msm00b View Post
    Then they would be wrong.
    I understand that if everything is on dot that BCAA will not be needed, but me and many other people feel that they have their place in fasted workouts where leucine could be supplemented to prevent muscle loss.

    do you have anything to backup your claim that they are useless?
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    Originally Posted by 208-need-175 View Post
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    I believe you
    yea?
    same with Martin Berkham.


    him and all the other "jacked as faurk" people on this forum that if you train fasted you should be using BCAAs.


    if you dont train fasted I wouldnt waste my money on BCAAs
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    Originally Posted by Delgod View Post
    yea?
    same with Martin Berkham.


    him and all the other "jacked as faurk" people on this forum that if you train fasted you should be using BCAAs.


    if you dont train fasted I wouldnt waste my money on BCAAs
    yes I train fasted. I just wanted to know how much of a difference would it make if I didn;t take them before a workout. Duh...
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    Originally Posted by 208-need-175 View Post
    yes I train fasted. I just wanted to know how much of a difference would it make if I didn;t take them before a workout. Duh...
    then dont take it preworkout. go on and lift fasted.
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    Martin gets some commission from scivation for recommending their products.
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    Originally Posted by Delgod View Post
    yea?
    same with Martin Berkham.


    him and all the other "jacked as faurk" people on this forum that if you train fasted you should be using BCAAs.


    if you dont train fasted I wouldnt waste my money on BCAAs


    Martin also says you don't need them, just eat a bit of protein pre workout.
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    Supposedly taking a half scoop of protein 30 minutes pre workout would have roughly the same effect as taking BCAAs 10 minutes (or however long you were told) pre workout. I can't vouch for this being true, but it's what I've been told. I stopped training fasted anyways.
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    Originally Posted by Emdad View Post
    Martin gets some commission from scivation for recommending their products.
    he first emphasized on CL then on scitvation
    Originally Posted by Electricheadd View Post
    Martin also says you don't need them, just eat a bit of protein pre workout.
    i think some people want to supplement specific AA thats why they say that.
    Originally Posted by DeanT765 View Post
    Supposedly taking a half scoop of protein 30 minutes pre workout would have roughly the same effect as taking BCAAs 10 minutes (or however long you were told) pre workout. I can't vouch for this being true, but it's what I've been told. I stopped training fasted anyways.
    by who?

    the amino acid content is different i think thats what some ppl emphasize on
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    Originally Posted by Delgod View Post
    he first emphasized on CL then on scitvation

    i think some people want to supplement specific AA thats why they say that.

    by who?

    the amino acid content is different i think thats what some ppl emphasize on
    The guy who works at the supplement store I shop at, he basically told me I didn't need the BCAA's hah
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    Originally Posted by DeanT765 View Post
    The guy who works at the supplement store I shop at, he basically told me I didn't need the BCAA's hah
    technically you dont.

    i think its just nice to have but it probably would only make 1% difference.
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    In on this question.
    Starting IF again after realizing I'm lazier whn not on IF.

    I use to train fasted and felt good and energized. Took a scoop of whey felt like ****.

    Trying to decide whether to take BCAA's or not. Cuz they esppensifffee
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    Originally Posted by Delgod View Post

    i think its just nice to have but it probably would only make 1% difference.
    No, it probably will make no difference if you're getting enough dietary protein.

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    Originally Posted by msm00b View Post
    No, it probably will make no difference if you're getting enough dietary protein.

    Fools and their money ...
    you dont think that those supplementing specific muscle building amino acids do anything? if we derived all of our protein from non animal sources i am sure we would all see a difference
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    One could recommend BCAA solely for it's very fast digestion rate. A very important point in taking BCAA:s PWO is to raise the insulin level (it's the energy transporter).

    BCAA is an important element in the Leangains protocol since it is considered 0kcal and will therefore not break your fast.
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    yer you need to take bcaa's preworkout and make sure you take your 100% hydrolyzed whey after you very last rep of your workout otherwise you will be majorly catabolic....not srz
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    Originally Posted by qstebom View Post
    One could recommend BCAA solely for it's very fast digestion rate. A very important point in taking BCAA:s PWO is to raise the insulin level (it's the energy transporter).

    BCAA is an important element in the Leangains protocol since it is considered 0kcal and will therefore not break your fast.
    It's not 0kcal eventhough it bypasses FDA regulations since these aminos are already broken down and allowed to report 0. It's also not 20 cal per 5 grams like some think solely because 1 g of protein = 4 cals. It's somewhere in between.

    Also, its not a 'necessary' supplement at all under any diet under any conditions.

    With that being said, I like the supplement because it's the lowest cal source of extra protein out there, I like the taste, and its easy enough to have anywhere with your water.

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    Workout fasted without BCAA's and then do it with BCAA's.


    I don't care what science, or broscience or anyone has to say. I can work out SO much longer fasted with BCAA's and it's not at all mental.
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    Originally Posted by Delgod View Post
    you dont think that those supplementing specific muscle building amino acids do anything?
    If you are consuming an adequate amount of dietary protein - they don't do a damn thing.

    They're 4 kcals per gram ... that's it.

    I don't care what science, or broscience or anyone has to say. I can work out SO much longer fasted with BCAA's and it's not at all mental.
    You could workout just as hard/long if you ate a damn apple or orange before you went to the gym. Waitwhut? But then you wouldn't be 'fasting'? Consumption of BCAAs (why hullo there protein) already makes your workout 'non-fasted'. There's nothing magic about the amino acids found in powdered or capsule BCAAs - it's just the building blocks of protein (the same protein you eat with normal *gasp* dietary sources).

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    Msmoob can **** on my parade as much as he likes but if you have the money and you like the product then it's not a waste.
    If you like pissing your money away, more power to you ... knock yourself out. I'm not gonna apologize for pointing out that it would be cheaper and more satiating for you to eat a small wad of deli meat before your workout.

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    Originally Posted by Delgod View Post
    you dont think that those supplementing specific muscle building amino acids do anything? if we derived all of our protein from non animal sources i am sure we would all see a difference
    That's a bit apples vs oranges question. The vast majority of non animal protein is incomplete. Meaning it does not contain all essential amino acids. The better question is would you see a difference eating eggs/meat vs eating amino acids. I suspect the answer is no.

    I believe Martin recommends them for the fasted training protocol because you can get a large amount of Amino's for very few calories. Somewhat not breaking the fast. So if you believe not breaking the fast will improve your physique take the BCAA's, if not eat some protein.

    For what it's worth I think Pbateman had a thread in the nutrition section and after testing fairly extensively both ways he came down to they made little if any difference for him.
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    And some of us just like to train in a non-fasted state period.

    I do my absolute best lifting 2-3 hours after a maginally-fatty, protein and carb filled meal.
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    Originally Posted by hit5500 View Post
    Workout fasted without BCAA's and then do it with BCAA's.


    I don't care what science, or broscience or anyone has to say. I can work out SO much longer fasted with BCAA's and it's not at all mental.
    that actually sounds more mental tbh
    Originally Posted by msm00b View Post
    And some of us just like to train in a non-fasted state period.

    I do my absolute best lifting 2-3 hours after a maginally-fatty, protein and carb filled meal.
    you lift for 2-3 hours?
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    Originally Posted by Delgod View Post
    that actually sounds more mental tbh

    you lift for 2-3 hours?
    Reading comprehension. You should try it.
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    Originally Posted by otterakl View Post
    Reading comprehension. You should try it.
    lol wut?
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