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    Pre-workout protein shake?

    I often wonder about pre-workout protein shakes 30 minutes before a workout as many labels will often say. While it's true having the protein in your body can help fuel the workout and speed up the recovery process of protein synthesis, etc- how much of a detrimental effect does it have on your lifting? Your metabolism is working hard to digest those proteins by the time you workout if you do it only 30 minutes ahead of time, therefore using a lot of blood and energy in your digestive tract... So is it worth it to drink the shake after all?

    Any articles on this?
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    Meal timing and shake consumption pre and post workout are irrelevant and unnecessary. Eat a diet consisting of whole foods and ditch the supplements
    ED got me, ill be darned if it gets anyone else.

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    Originally Posted by bbavender View Post
    Meal timing and shake consumption pre and post workout are irrelevant and unnecessary.
    Is it? http://www.musculardevelopment.com/c...-research.html
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    ^ Yes, it is true.

    And, by the way, that citation is, at best, laughable.
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    Originally Posted by Rog447 View Post
    I actually read through both papers cited in that article.

    The more recent one (http://jap.physiology.org/content/106/5/1720.abstract) is from 2009 and done with people who have no training experience:

    The effects of whey protein ingestion on acute and long-term signaling responses of resistance exercise are not well known. Previously untrained young men were randomized into protein (n = 9), placebo (n = 9), and control (n = 11) groups.
    My point is that n00b gains are not a fair assessment.
    The above statement/post does not represent the opinions of anyone in real life. This is the internet. Not real life. Anyone who cannot grasp the difference between the two lacks the basic intelligence necessary for survival and should not be allowed to form opinions.
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    Originally Posted by WonderPug View Post
    ^ Yes, it is true.

    And, by the way, that citation is, at best, laughable.
    Agreed it's not NECESSARY, but to say its completely pointless is not true.
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    Whey protein

    Ideal use is pre-and post-workout. Optimum 100% Whey is the top selling product at bodybuilding.com. I would venture to guess that's due much to the innovative tastes available. I've tried Caramel Toffee Fudge and Extreme Milk Chocolate and both are very tasty.


    Casein protein

    Ideal use is pre-bedtime, but it could be used at any other time during the day as well. Casein protein is slow releasing and provides more satiety than whey protein in general.


    why does mark say that on leangains?
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    Originally Posted by Rog447 View Post
    Agreed it's not NECESSARY, but to say its completely pointless is not true.
    Generally speaking, protein powders are highly processed fast food marketed as a "supplement", often with the implication of magical benefits.

    For comparison sake, here are the ingredients in Optimum 100% Whey:

    Protein Blend(Whey Protein Isolate, Whey Protein Concentrate, Whey Peptides), Cocoa(Processed With Alkali), Natural And Artificial Flavors, Lecithin, Creamer(Sunflower Oil, Maltodextrin, Modified Food Starch, Di-Potassium Phosphate, Tri-Calcium Phosphate, Tocopherols), Salt, Acesulfame Potassium, Aminogen®, Sucralose.

    Here are the ingrediatnts in a McDonald's hamburger patty:

    100% USDA Grade A lean beef.

    Honestly, which do you think is better to eat?
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    Originally Posted by WonderPug View Post
    Generally speaking, protein powders are highly processed fast food marketed as a "supplement", often with the implication of magical benefits.

    For comparison sake, here are the ingredients in Optimum 100% Whey:

    Protein Blend(Whey Protein Isolate, Whey Protein Concentrate, Whey Peptides), Cocoa(Processed With Alkali), Natural And Artificial Flavors, Lecithin, Creamer(Sunflower Oil, Maltodextrin, Modified Food Starch, Di-Potassium Phosphate, Tri-Calcium Phosphate, Tocopherols), Salt, Acesulfame Potassium, Aminogen®, Sucralose.

    Here are the ingrediatnts in a McDonald's hamburger patty:

    100% USDA Grade A lean beef.

    Honestly, which do you think is better to eat?
    Honestly who would go to Mcdonald's and eat a beef patty pre workout? "welcome to Mcdonald's can I take you order?" "ummm ya i just want a beef patty with nothing else" LOL

    Here is your burger bun ingredients...

    Enriched flour (bleached wheat flour, malted barley flour, niacin, reduced iron, thiamin mononitrate, riboflavin, folic acid), water, high fructose corn syrup, yeast, barley
    malt extract, soybean oil, salt, wheat gluten, contains 2% or less of the following: partially hydrogenated soybean oil, calcium sulfate, ammonium sulfate, yellow corn
    flour, dough conditioners (sodium stearoyl lactylate, datem, ascorbic acid, azodicarbonamide, distilled monoglycerides, monocalcium phosphate, enzymes, calcium
    peroxide), turmeric, annatto and paprika extracts (color), natural (plant source) and artificial flavors, caramel color, calcium propionate (preservative), sesame seed.


    OP- Have a meal pre workout with some carbs and protein (whole food or shake) 45-60 minutes pre workout and your good to go!
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    ^ Wow, you totally missed the point. Totally.

    Originally Posted by Rog447 View Post
    OP- Have a meal pre workout with some carbs and protein (whole food or shake) 45-60 minutes pre workout and your good to go!
    Or don't. Pre-workout nutrition is not required. It's entirely up the individual.
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    Originally Posted by Rog447 View Post
    Honestly who would go to Mcdonald's and eat a beef patty pre workout? "welcome to Mcdonald's can I take you order?" "ummm ya i just want a beef patty with nothing else" LOL

    Here is your burger bun ingredients...

    Enriched flour (bleached wheat flour, malted barley flour, niacin, reduced iron, thiamin mononitrate, riboflavin, folic acid), water, high fructose corn syrup, yeast, barley
    malt extract, soybean oil, salt, wheat gluten, contains 2% or less of the following: partially hydrogenated soybean oil, calcium sulfate, ammonium sulfate, yellow corn
    flour, dough conditioners (sodium stearoyl lactylate, datem, ascorbic acid, azodicarbonamide, distilled monoglycerides, monocalcium phosphate, enzymes, calcium
    peroxide), turmeric, annatto and paprika extracts (color), natural (plant source) and artificial flavors, caramel color, calcium propionate (preservative), sesame seed.


    OP- Have a meal pre workout with some carbs and protein (whole food or shake) 45-60 minutes pre workout and your good to go!
    Don't need a meal pre workout either OP. Make sure your daily nutrition is on point and your fine
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    Originally Posted by bbavender View Post
    Don't need a meal pre workout either OP. Make sure your daily nutrition is on point and your fine
    I call bull ****. Pre workout nutrition is very important, it's what give you energy during your training, the amino acids aid in may body functions during anaerobic exercise. To call per workout nutrition pointless is borderline retardation. I wouldn't take any advise from you anyway lookin at how small you are...

    Do you even lift?
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    Originally Posted by Gonnabswole View Post
    I call bull ****. Pre workout nutrition is very important, it's what give you energy during your training, the amino acids aid in may body functions during anaerobic exercise. To call per workout nutrition pointless is borderline retardation. I wouldn't take any advise from you anyway lookin at how small you are...

    Do you even lift?
    Nice 2 year bump to give false information. Pre workout nutrition isn't necessary. Lots of people train optimally when working out fasted.
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    Originally Posted by Gonnabswole View Post
    I call bull ****. Pre workout nutrition is very important, it's what give you energy during your training, the amino acids aid in may body functions during anaerobic exercise. To call per workout nutrition pointless is borderline retardation. I wouldn't take any advise from you anyway lookin at how small you are...

    Do you even lift?
    I definately agree with Gonnabswole on this one, Pre workout nutrition can give you extra carbs and Amino Acids for you to expend during you workout. Given that the protein shake has Carbs, taken 60-90 minute prior to your workout can benefit you if your looking to build mass.

    That being said, you can survive without if your diet plan is correctly followed.
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    Strong bumps in this thread.
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    Should honestly read this thread op and the links on protein intake. These results refute the commonly held belief that the timing of protein intake in and around a training session is critical to muscular adaptations and indicate that consuming adequate protein in combination with resistance exercise is the key factor for maximizing muscle protein accretion.
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=123915821

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