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Thread: Citrulline Malate vs. Agmatine
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07-06-2011, 10:02 PM #31
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07-06-2011, 10:32 PM #32
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07-06-2011, 11:26 PM #33
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07-07-2011, 04:23 AM #37
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07-07-2011, 04:39 AM #38
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07-12-2011, 06:31 AM #39
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07-12-2011, 06:33 AM #40
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07-12-2011, 07:50 AM #46
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I'm taking 4g CM right now. Pump is good. Hard to say with results.
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07-12-2011, 07:53 AM #47
Strength athletes train better with citrulline malate
Take 8 g citrulline malate before pumping iron and you’ll manage more reps per set. The more sets you manage, the bigger the effect, sports scientists at the University of Cordoba, Spain, discovered when they did experiments with bodybuilders.
Citrulline malate was a popular supplement among cyclists in the seventies and eighties. And going by the stories it worked too. Hardly surprising if you look at what physiology textbooks have to say.
Citrulline converts slowly in the body into arginine, an amino acid that is released as proteins break down. One of the end products of this breakdown is ammonia. High amounts of ammonia in your blood make you tired and prevent glucose being turned into energy. If you take citrulline or arginine, your body removes the ammonia more quickly from your blood.
Malic acid or apple acid is released during the citric acid cycle. It prevents muscle cells from making lactic acid and stimulates the production of pyruvate, which supplies energy.
Both arginine and malate enable muscle cells to produce aerobic energy for longer, and delay the moment at which hardworking muscle cells resort to their ATP.
In theory. There is little research that actually confirms this. Researchers don't even know if and how citrulline malate improves strenght athletes' workouts.
That’s why the Spaniards conducted an experiment. They got bodybuilders to train their chest muscles by doing 16 sets in one go, on one occasion after taking a placebo [PLAC], and on another one hour after taking 8 g citrulline malate [CM].
The test subjects started with 4 sets of bench presses at 80 percent of the weight at which they could just manage 1 rep [S1 – S4]. Then they did 4 sets of incline bench presses [S5 – S8], followed by 4 sets of flies [S9 – S12] and finally 4 sets of bench presses [S’1 – S’4]. All sets were done at failure: the bodybuilders did as many reps per set as they could. That’s overdoing it if you aren’t using any forbidden substances, but guarantees muscle exhaustion.
As the training progressed, the effect of the supplement became clearer. The bodybuilders who had taken citrulline malate managed more reps. The figure below shows the number of reps the bodybuilders managed during set S3. And the figure below that shows the reps they made during set S’4, the very last set of the training session."I Hate Damn Proprietary Blend"
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07-12-2011, 08:11 AM #48
Interesting.. As far as overall vasodilation and muscle fullness goes, I don't notice a major difference between CM and Agmatine. Having a low body fat content contributes more to how vascular you will be than anything else. The most impactful difference I've seen between the two is that CM causes flatulents that smell like a run-off sewer of an underground slaughterhouse in china town, whereas Agmatine has no putrid side effect.
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07-12-2011, 08:14 AM #49
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07-12-2011, 08:17 AM #50
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11-15-2011, 09:58 AM #51
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11-23-2011, 06:58 PM #52
Hmm I went through a bottle of Agmatine, it's one of the most over-rated supplements talked about on these forums lately.
I noticed a bit of a pump from it at 1g preworkout, when taken with 1 scoop of glycergrow the pumps were amazing.
I just received 225g of Citrulline Malate today though so I'll update on which one I prefer in a couple weeks.
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11-23-2011, 07:38 PM #53
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