OT not helping joints!!

[degibson84]

What can I add in to help ease the aches in my shoulders? I had great results with animal flex in the past but I know I can't add flex with OT as that would be overkill. I would like to continue using OT and just add something into it

[WaxyMaize]

What can I add in to help ease the aches in my shoulders? I had great results with animal flex in the past but I know I can't add flex with OT as that would be overkill. I would like to continue using OT and just add something into it

try more fish oil, cissus,turmeric. You need lubrication and anti inflammation.

[faipdeooiad]

Any reason not to go back to flex if you feel you benefitted from it? Maybe add another multi in that hasn't got the joint complex?

I use OT myself but maybe try something like flex & Anavite?

(I'm not hating on OT, it's great - please don't ban me)

[degibson84]

I don't have to stick to OT but I have another few months supply of it. That's the main reason I wanted to add something in with it.

Any reason not to go back to flex if you feel you benefitted from it? Maybe add another multi in that hasn't got the joint complex?

I use OT myself but maybe try something like flex & Anavite?

(I'm not hating on OT, it's great - please don't ban me)

[faipdeooiad]

Fair enough. See post #2

[tjwoody]

these things wont fix mobility issues, etc.

[llahhsoj]

Fish Oil and cissus would be good to add.

[DASBUNKER]

You could also work on things like technique, mobility or volume load if you havent.. maybe take a deload week. Some stuff helps but looking at those things first is best.

[WolfBeast]

Add in more healthy fats-fish oil, ibuprofen if your shoulder is swelling at all. Also when I had some shoulder pain I rubbed sweet sweat all over my shoulder to help warm it up, and keep it warm. You could also use Vaseline to have a similar effect of the sweet sweat.

[VO2Maxima]

What are you expecting out of it? OT's joint complex is great, but it won't work miracles.

With shoulders, a lot of the times there's a balance issue. Make sure your push to pull ratio isn't overly chest dominant.
Make sure your rotator cuffs are warmed up properly on push day. Flailing around a 5lb plate and pretending to warm them up doesn't count.
May need to rest and/or deload.
Fish oil has anti-inflammatory properties, and cissus is useful for collagen production. Consider adding something like OxiMega and iForce Joint Help.

[powercage]

Fish Oil and Cissus. Joint Help is good stuff.


Your results with Flex and not with OT are likely placebo/coincidence considering they have the same active joint ingredients.

You should look towards the root cause of your pain, it is probable you have injured yourself more. Changing form/mobility/exercise selection/rest is probably going to do more than anything else

[Heizz]

What is your injury/joint pain? As mentioned above, it could be that the specific body part/joint needs rest.

If available, I'd also recommend looking at picking up a fish oil and cissus. I've used OT in the past and I've absolutely loved it, but if animal flex worked great for you in the past I'd recommend going back to that and picking up another multi.

[KimJong-il]

First is rest, and check with a doc in case you have injury. If there is a thing I would add its fish oil and NOW Celadrin for further joint support.

[EPolis13]

What are you expecting out of it? OT's joint complex is great, but it won't work miracles.

With shoulders, a lot of the times there's a balance issue. Make sure your push to pull ratio isn't overly chest dominant.
Make sure your rotator cuffs are warmed up properly on push day. Flailing around a 5lb plate and pretending to warm them up doesn't count.
May need to rest and/or deload.
Fish oil has anti-inflammatory properties, and cissus is useful for collagen production. Consider adding something like OxiMega and iForce Joint Help.

Great post, and good recommendations/reminders. OT is great and can be a part of a comprehensive stack with fish oil and Joint Help. Please ensure you take everyone's advice and address the underlying cause of your issues.

[andrewwww]

Blue Star Joint Armour
Fish oils

Mobility work, rumble roll/foam roll..lacrosse ball, broomstick stretches. Deep Tissue work. REST!

[EdhardStark]

I'd check your gym routine as others have stated. CL makes an awesome fish oil, and cissus worked wonders when I needed to use it with injuries.

[XCriticalBenchX]

Joint help is worth a look with the inclusion of paractin for immediate pain relief and cissus for long term pain relief. Directly designed to decrease pain and inflammation.

Mike

[blokpost]

I have logged flex freak & cissus 800 and had excellent results, probably even better, then with animal flex (but more expensive). Stacking cissus with OT would be a nice option as well.

[degibson84]

My shoulders have always made this popping when rotating them. All the way back to when I was a kid. After a heavy chest workout my right shoulder just gets a fatigued feeling and some very minor aching. I'm not sure if it is do to my gym only having smith machines and my shoulder having to push on a much less natural plane.

Also I do take fish oils daily. I'm using bb.com ultra

[aaronuconn]

What are you expecting out of it? OT's joint complex is great, but it won't work miracles.

With shoulders, a lot of the times there's a balance issue. Make sure your push to pull ratio isn't overly chest dominant.
Make sure your rotator cuffs are warmed up properly on push day. Flailing around a 5lb plate and pretending to warm them up doesn't count.
May need to rest and/or deload.
Fish oil has anti-inflammatory properties, and cissus is useful for collagen production. Consider adding something like OxiMega and iForce Joint Help.

^^

Look into solving the root cause first if possible. A lot of people have success with Joint Help from iForce.

[TrainerTone]

As others have said fish oil would be good to add in to your regimen. Some options are oximega, iForce Fish Oil or bb.com high EPA/DHA. Also iForce Joint Help may be something else to look into..many people have had great success with this product

[Mohammed786]

I had shoulder problems. Had 2 ultrasounds and now my second cortisone injection. Physiotherapy for rotar cuff exercises and if it doesn't get better surgery to correct the impingement.

I am taking Animal Flex, OT, Joint Help and Fish Oils

[NEBinAK]

Another vote for fish oil and cissus

My joint stack is Elastamine (similar to effective joint ingredients in ot)
Primaforce cissus
Controlled labs oximega fish oil

Other then that get some stretching in and rest, that's about all you can do

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/pr...suspowder.html

We also have capped cissus if the taste is an issue

[Msistine]

My shoulders have always made this popping when rotating them. All the way back to when I was a kid. After a heavy chest workout my right shoulder just gets a fatigued feeling and some very minor aching. I'm not sure if it is do to my gym only having smith machines and my shoulder having to push on a much less natural plane.

Also I do take fish oils daily. I'm using bb.com ultra

Agree with the other points re: underlying issue to address - seems like it could be a form/balance or a minor injury especially since it is located in one shoulder. Had several friends start out with minor shoulder injuries and then aggravate it or try to cover it up - ultimately prolonging the injury and recovery. If you're interested in books - Bulletproof Your Shoulder (Johnson) and Treat Your Own Shoulder (McKenzie) are good resources for outlining stretching routines that can ameliorate several vague shoulder injuries.

Once you look into form / light rehab, agree with adding cissus or a joint supp with OT. Recommendation would be Blue Star Joint Armour - (which includes Cissus)

[shayantejani]

Blue Star Joint Armour, USPLabs Super Cissus and SD Pharma Cissus 800 all contain Cissus and are some of the good options.

Also add a Fish Oil supplement to your arsenal.

[XCriticalBenchX]

^^

Look into solving the root cause first if possible. A lot of people have success with Joint Help from iForce.

Truth.. Figuring out the root cause is always best for long term health promotion.

Mike